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I don’t hate him and we have made some very good signings last few years as well as some disgusting ones which I’m not entirely sure anyone could’ve got between due to the way we run. Having said that, I think it makes sense to gut everything including management, recruitment and the directors and start clean. Will never happen, Rudkin/Top will be here until we fold, viva FC City of Leicester

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1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's probably just semantics but I suppose it depends what you mean by "leadership." 

 

What we definitely did lack, still lack and do need is players of the right personality. 

 

I liked a quote in an interview with Dr Ian Graham the other day talking about Liverpool's transfer philosophy under Klopp, he said Jurgen liked "fighters, not winners." Obviously slightly wanky and subjective but you know what he means, the actively looked for players who were hard working, team focused, would put their body on the line and it's something you recognise in Liverpool and their squad. 

 

Pearson clearly used to value this highly, we used to very specifically target certain personalities. We don't anymore and that's problematic. 

 

I think Coady was perceived to be of that type but I'm not entirely convinced, frankly. He seems more like the happy go lucky class clown to me, I don't think the squad needed a cheerleader, it needed some absolute warrior to follow. 

 

Have you read How to win the Premier League by Graham? You'd like it - covers all of that and analytics in general excellently.

 

I agree leadership is conflated with character at large, we do need better characters but that isn't solved by signing one or two captain-like players. It has to be baked into the recruitment process and it's why I wasn't keen on Soumare, his pressure numbers were available on fbref at the time and he just didn't close people down enough for his position.

 

Back to my original point, no successful club has ever read;;y improved by just dropping in bona fide leaders, it;s the sort of thing pundits value but it's just sort of intangible claptrap mostly. Man City, Liverpool over the past decade have barely had any shouty types, they've emphasised quality mixed with the right attitude. 

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59 minutes ago, jonny_wright said:

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Martyn Glover’s summer with Leicester, easy work when you’ve got nothing to do 

TBH probably all he's ever done while here. All we've done is fight 🔥 on spending since he arrived. Now selling off all the best players we've bought in since he arrived. Then he'll get £500 to replace them.

 

Hard to judge him when the useless 3some have fvcked it up for us all. Cooper insisting on a load of relics is not his fault and he don't get the final say.

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1 hour ago, jonny_wright said:

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Martyn Glover’s summer with Leicester, easy work when you’ve got nothing to do 

He will still be scouting players, he's job is to find them not buy them! 

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1 minute ago, -sodapop said:

I'm inclined to believe that if only because I simply don't believe the same team that identified and signed Fatawu and Hermansen etc would move for Skipp and BDCR

Cooper spoke all summer last year talking about experience 

 

Look at his time at Southampton mostly younger players with potential were signed

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"Hi, Jon. So i used that scouting budget you gave me and managed to hop on a Megabus down into London. I wandered around aimlessly for a bit until I found a local park and some lads were having a kick about"

 

"There was this half decent lad. I asked if I could speak to his agent and he said he didn't have one. Ace! Money saved! I asked him if he fancied joining the mighty foxes, but he just laughed and said "they're well sh*t bruv" and swiped my return ticket"

 

"Can you come and pick me up?"

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22 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

He will still be scouting players, he's job is to find them not buy them! 

What’s he on, about a 30% success rate at LCFC with signings, not good enough 

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46 minutes ago, sylofox said:

TBH probably all he's ever done while here. All we've done is fight 🔥 on spending since he arrived. Now selling off all the best players we've bought in since he arrived. Then he'll get £500 to replace them.

 

Hard to judge him when the useless 3some have fvcked it up for us all. Cooper insisting on a load of relics is not his fault and he don't get the final say.

  

28 minutes ago, lanefox said:

Hands are tied behind his back and if to believed like has been rumoured none of Ayew , BDCR or Skipp were from his recommendation

 

He arrived in summer 2022 if this thread is anything to go by.

 

In that time Faes, Kristensen, Souttar have all joined under Rodgers. Cannon, Mavididi, Hermansen, Coady and Winks under Maresca. Fatawu, Okoli, Skipp, Ayew, El-Khannouss and Coulibaly under Cooper and Van Nistelrooy.

 

A lot of money spent there on some really poor players. Even if Cooper had a say last summer what about wasting nearly £15m on Cannon and Coady under Maresca? 

 

Head of senior recruitment and director of football should be answering serious questions.

 

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1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

He arrived in summer 2022 if this thread is anything to go by.

 

In that time Faes, Kristensen, Souttar have all joined under Rodgers. Cannon, Mavididi, Hermansen, Coady and Winks under Maresca. Fatawu, Okoli, Skipp, Ayew, El-Khannouss and Coulibaly under Cooper and Van Nistelrooy.

 

A lot of money spent there on some really poor players. Even if Cooper had a say last summer what about wasting nearly £15m on Cannon and Coady under Maresca? 

 

 

Wasn't Fatawu under Maresca?

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10 minutes ago, ramadaone said:

And which parent Club do you think would be happy to let one of their (young) players come into the vile toxic workplace we currently have ?

Not exactly full of good role models in fact its completely the opposite

Until that is resolved getting our own young lads to sign contracts and getting loanees to come on board is proving very difficult

All of the above is of our own doing I might add and not Glovers

 

 

I don't think clubs, particularly those abroad are that attuned to the environment at Leicester. They'd see the opportunity to loan a youngster at a club desperate for players competing at the top end of the league (on paper) - there's a strong chance of significant minutes. The atmosphere at the club may be a caveat with any potential loan but you'd rather your player was at Leicester playing under Cifuentes than at Hull or Swansea.

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3 minutes ago, Carter The Boss said:

The loan was and then perm was after he left I think

Could well of been, I thought him joining permanently was all agreed before Enzo left but obviously I could be wrong.

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6 minutes ago, ACF said:


Faes - Good signing, shit attitude

Kristensen - was promising, declined in line with club

Souttar - criminally underused, not done much wrong

Cannon - sold for profit

Mavididi - good signing, limited potential but good Championship winger 

Hermansen - sold for profit, great signing

Coady - bought in when we needed a leader in the dressing room, didn’t work, but made sense

Winks - good signing, shit attitude

Fatawu - great signing 

Okoli - something there

Skipp - Cooper’s fault

Ayew - Cooper’s fault, at least an option in the Championship

BEK - good signing, should cash in for profit

Woyo - ????


I trust in Glover. I don’t trust Rudkin or Top, or our ability to identify culture setting leaders.

Good overview and he's certainly done good things and appears to have been hampered by the buffoons as you've highlighted 

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Missed the most important signing 

 

Odsonne Edouard - if this was Glover’s idea should be fired

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12 minutes ago, ACF said:


Faes - Good signing, shit attitude

Kristensen - was promising, declined in line with club

Souttar - criminally underused, not done much wrong

Cannon - sold for profit

Mavididi - good signing, limited potential but good Championship winger 

Hermansen - sold for profit, great signing

Coady - bought in when we needed a leader in the dressing room, didn’t work, but made sense

Winks - good signing, shit attitude

Fatawu - great signing 

Okoli - something there

Skipp - Cooper’s fault

Ayew - Cooper’s fault, at least an option in the Championship

BEK - good signing, should cash in for profit

Woyo - ????


I trust in Glover. I don’t trust Rudkin or Top, or our ability to identify culture setting leaders.

You’ve forgotten BDCR. 

 

But so has everybody else. 

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Glover doesn't have a full control of signings. We are completely bodged in the way we do it. Scouting recommendations, agent recommendations and the managers own recommendations. 

 

Glover was named as finding Fatawu. 

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22 minutes ago, ACF said:

Missed the most important signing 

 

Odsonne Edouard - if this was Glover’s idea should be fired

Complete Cooper cluster**** that - went pleading to the club to sign him, got it all lined up and then he completely backed off the signing. Then on deadline day deciding to sign but then not use him. People quickly understood how Forest had all them players. 

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Don't know why anyone would give this guy credit considering the position we're in.

 

He was Head of Recruitment while we recruited BDR, Ayew, Edouard, Woyo and Skipp. Any "yeah, but that was Cooper" doesn't matter, he was Head of Recruitment while Cooper is some third rate, whoever lived closest to Seagrave hire, and JR SHOULD have made that clear his role is manager of the team JR and Glover assemble for him.

 

Any Head of Recruitment worth their weight would counter this "wE nEeD pL eXpErIeNcE" with, "yeah you ****ing **** we've got a whole ****ing squad that were in the PL a year ago you ****ing idiot, PSR and high wages are ****ing us and you want established PL players post-peak on high wages? What's wrong with you, you should be sectioned, Jon I'm resigning, **** this you either go with with lads my scouts have identified, or I leave "

 

He's been here since, doing **** all on """Recruitment"""". DESPITE all this, he, and all the scouts are still here. No one has gone / downed tools, been poached, or seemingly joined in a few years. They're categorically complicit in the decline.

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