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Another part to the problem, our recruitment has been awful and the contracts given out has been a disgrace. Wouldnt trust him overseeing a rebuild whether by miracle we stay or in League 1 

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32 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

We just dont have anyone decent in any major roles at the club. Does anyone at the club actually care?

About the club? No.

 

About themselves, absolutely. 

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I think last summers window was far more damaging than the Soumare/Daka one.

 

Ayew, BDCR, Okoli, Skipp, Bilal - and we still broke PSR.

 

Glover is absolutely dining out on Fatawu (who was an absolutely fantastic pick out) and Bilal, but so much shit has come in under him

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2 minutes ago, LVFox said:

I think last summers window was far more damaging than the Soumare/Daka one.

 

Ayew, BDCR, Okoli, Skipp, Bilal - and we still broke PSR.

 

Glover is absolutely dining out on Fatawu (who was an absolutely fantastic pick out) and Bilal, but so much shit has come in under him

Did we? I thought the points deduction was for the 3 year period ending with Maresca’s promotion season? 

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2 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Did we? I thought the points deduction was for the 3 year period ending with Maresca’s promotion season? 

Yeah you’re right actually….ill give it 12 months or so before I edit the post though!

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2 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

He’s so odd because for every okoli he does find a Mukasa

I’m not sure a guy in Man City’s youth team and has been part of their fist team squad is really a ‘find’.

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He’s a crook who spent most of his career working with Sam Allardyce. Blindingly obvious why some of our transfer dealings have happened in recent years 💵 

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1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I’m not sure a guy in Man City’s youth team and has been part of their fist team squad is really a ‘find’.

Nobody else took a punt on him :dunno: Can hardly say an Italian youth player on the verge of the national team was a find either… but we’re still hammering him for that not working out 

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4 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

He’s so odd because for every okoli he does find a Mukasa

It's still early days for Mukasa. And Glover's success ratio is nowhere near as good as 1:1. Far, far, far from it.

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1 hour ago, AjcW said:

He’s a crook who spent most of his career working with Sam Allardyce. Blindingly obvious why some of our transfer dealings have happened in recent years 💵 

Ridiculous, baseless claim.

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15 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Nobody else took a punt on him :dunno: Can hardly say an Italian youth player on the verge of the national team was a find either… but we’re still hammering him for that not working out 

I suppose it is more identifying a good fit then rather than a ‘find’. By the term find, I think of an unknown player. Mukasa is obviously known already but the skill set is yes, something we need right now.

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52 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Ridiculous, baseless claim.

You’ve been very defensive recently…

 

I don’t think saying someone who spent their career “signing” players for Big Sam is dodgy Is baseless at all. Particularly given our pattern of use of agencies and managers agencies since his arrival. 

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4 minutes ago, AjcW said:

You’ve been very defensive recently…

 

I don’t think saying someone who spent their career “signing” players for Big Sam is dodgy Is baseless at all. Particularly given our pattern of use of agencies and managers agencies since his arrival. 

I suppose it depends whether you mean criminally dodgy or just, well, dodgy. You're right to point out that a lot of our recruitment seems to be based on agencies touting their men to Glover, Rudkin and co.

 

And I think it's quite hard to mount any meaningful defence for Glover. His departure is one of those indicators I'm looking out for that core issues are finally being addressed.

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1 hour ago, inckley fox said:

It's still early days for Mukasa. And Glover's success ratio is nowhere near as good as 1:1. Far, far, far from it.

Not far off. For Enzo he got 80% right I’d say.  Horrific signings in the prem, but you can easily argue the manager led the majority with his mandate, tbf the calamitous championship signing was Enzo led).  I do think bilal and facundo were decent signings… but the rest was obviously tat. 
 

Even this season,  James is very good. Carranza horrific.  Ramsey, good player but unfortunate with the injury’s.   I think he gets unfairly hammered because we are asking him to not just find talent but talent that is available on our very specific cash short terms. It’s genuinely hard to tell who he may have wanted because in order to get someone in the door, we need a deal structured in a way that most clubs simply won’t agree to. 
 

I just find that somehow we are quick to point the finger at him but he obviously isn’t completely incompetent because there’s some very good players that he’s targeted. 
 

Where would we be if we hadn’t got fatawu, hermansen, bilal, James.  Look I’m not a big fan, and I have said this a few times and if you look at his history there is one glaring issue with Glover… he can’t sign defenders. Not just for us but in his other roles, he seems to do alright in other areas but he doesn’t have a single good defensive signing to his name in his whole career. 
 

I guess I just think he’s not quite as awful as some people suggest 

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18 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Not far off. For Enzo he got 80% right I’d say.  Horrific signings in the prem, but you can easily argue the manager led the majority with his mandate, tbf the calamitous championship signing was Enzo led).  I do think bilal and facundo were decent signings… but the rest was obviously tat. 
 

Even this season,  James is very good. Carranza horrific.  Ramsey, good player but unfortunate with the injury’s.   I think he gets unfairly hammered because we are asking him to not just find talent but talent that is available on our very specific cash short terms. It’s genuinely hard to tell who he may have wanted because in order to get someone in the door, we need a deal structured in a way that most clubs simply won’t agree to. 
 

I just find that somehow we are quick to point the finger at him but he obviously isn’t completely incompetent because there’s some very good players that he’s targeted. 
 

Where would we be if we hadn’t got fatawu, hermansen, bilal, James.  Look I’m not a big fan, and I have said this a few times and if you look at his history there is one glaring issue with Glover… he can’t sign defenders. Not just for us but in his other roles, he seems to do alright in other areas but he doesn’t have a single good defensive signing to his name in his whole career. 
 

I guess I just think he’s not quite as awful as some people suggest 

I think you're being very generous all-round.

 

Under Maresca we spent around 25m on Coady, Winks and Cannon. Yes, he also signed Mavididi, Hermansen and Fatawu, but all of them got relegated with us. And two of them may well get relegated again, with Mavididi having had a remarkably poor season. It's not exactly impressive.

 

Go back before that and you have Kristiansen, Souttar and Tete.

 

Fast-forward in time and you have Reid, Ayew, Skipp, Okoli. Yes, there was El-Khannous, but he wasn't consistently PL-level either. Regarding the 2025 business, we've seen some promise from Mukasa, and Ramsey - as you rightly point out - has had bad luck with injuries, but the truth is that James is the only player to positively impact on a regular basis. And in the Championship! Vieites, Begovic, Carranza... they may be budget acquisitions, but they're certainly not to the credit of the recruitment department.

 

To my mind, there have been over thirty signings under Glover, of which only Winks, James, Skipp and Fatawu are currently of any use to us. Hardly a stellar cast. And they arrived for a combined sum of around 50m which, for a side currently in the bottom three of the second tier, is astonishing.

 

Typically, I'd say that represents god-awful recruitment - some of the worst in the club's history - and a long way off being able to say 'for every rotter, there's a gem'. It's nowhere near that.

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18 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I suppose it depends whether you mean criminally dodgy or just, well, dodgy. You're right to point out that a lot of our recruitment seems to be based on agencies touting their men to Glover, Rudkin and co.

 

And I think it's quite hard to mount any meaningful defence for Glover. His departure is one of those indicators I'm looking out for that core issues are finally being addressed.

How about “probably widely done in football but of course we’ve ended up with one”?? 

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