Release clauses

[Babylon]

It was well documented that after losing Kante cheap and nearly losing Vardy, the club refused to entertain them from then on. 

 

With the change in the market and more players running down contracts to get moves (probably due to the inflated fees being asked by premier league clubs), is it time that we start considering putting them in some contracts again?

 

Would this make players more likely to renew if they know there is a reasonable set exit fee and that we can’t block moves if it’s met?

 

Whilst it’s a double edged sword and we might not get full value at times, or lose a player we might not want to, if it’s going to stop us losing players for nothing it’s perhaps worth a rethink on our position. 

[moore_94]

I assume you mean release clauses rather than sell on clauses? 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I assume you mean release clauses rather than sell on clauses? 

Yes  I knew it wasn’t right but my brain couldn’t think of the right wording.

[coolhandfox]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It was well documented that after losing Kante cheap and nearly losing Vardy, the club refused to entertain them from then on. 

 

With the change in the market and more players running down contracts to get moves (probably due to the inflated fees being asked by premier league clubs), is it time that we start considering putting them in some contracts again?

 

Would this make players more likely to renew if they know there is a reasonable set exit fee and that we can’t block moves if it’s met?

 

Whilst it’s a double edged sword and we might not get full value at times, or lose a player we might not want to, if it’s going to stop us losing players for nothing it’s perhaps worth a rethink on our position. 

I do wonder if we offered a release clause at a decent price we could ha e got Youri to sign a new deal.

[Claridge]

23 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Yes  I knew it wasn’t right but my brain couldn’t think of the right wording.

Said Ruskin after kantes move to chelsea

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Said Ruskin after kantes move to chelsea

Rudkin… this threads having a ‘mare

[SouthStandUpperTier]

The balance of power definitely seems to be shifting towards the players. If we want to continue to attract the best young talent in the game then we will have to allow release clauses imho.

[Corky]

Babs to run this club.

[Babylon]

Just now, Corky said:

Babs to run this club.

Just not the wording in the contracts.

[adejo92]

Sell on clause for Vestergaard & Bertrand simply read "you wish"

[Claridge]

37 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Said Ruskin after kantes move to chelsea

 

Edited 30 July 2022 by Claridge

[Claridge]

32 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Rudkin… this threads having a ‘mare

No, John Ruskin the 19th century philosopher

[VLC86]

51 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Said Ruskin after kantes move to chelsea

PES Master league was the one.

[jayfox26]

I don't see an issue with release clauses so long as we don't get stung. For example if we gave fofana/maddison one it would need to be around £70m. If we had say £50m they'd both be gone tomorrow. 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

I don't see an issue with release clauses so long as we don't get stung. For example if we gave fofana/maddison one it would need to be around £70m. If we had say £50m they'd both be gone tomorrow. 

And this is the problem. In some ways, transfer fees can be weird. If we sell Maddison to ManCity for 100 million but buy Grealish for 100 million, it's the same to our balance sheet if the deals were for 10 million. 

 

What happened with Kante (and Vardy when his release clause was triggered -people forget this played into the "no more release clauses" stance) was that there was a sudden inflation in transfer fees. What would have been an unbelievable fee for a Kante-type player in 2015 became a steal in 2016. Vardy's release clause was less than what we paid for Slimani the same window, ffs.

 

So the issue is, you either set yourself up to have the market inflate, making your player suddenly available at a fire sale price, or you set it so high it really doesn't provide an incentive for a signature.

 

Leicester have shown they will sell at a fair price. If Youri had signed a 4-yesr deal last summer, he'd have gotten more money last year in wages, and be in the same position he is right now. For all those who think, "yeah, but he'll get a huge signing on bonus when he goes on a free," I say that is more often not the case, and he will get what the market will give him, which this summer shows isn't as much as thought.

[taupe]

If the only thing keeping a player is the release clause, would you want them anyway?

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, taupe said:

If the only thing keeping a player is the release clause, would you want them anyway?

Fair point but if we want a good standard of player that can help us towards the top 6/7, they aren't likely to be playing for us because they love leicester, so we have to incentivise them some how. 

[StonyFox]

It would also mean players couldn't (shouldn't) get the hump if we reject a low offer. We'd be able to say that they could go if the release clause, that they agreed to, was met.

 

You'd also want the fee to increase about 10-15% each year to cover off any jump in transfer fees. 

[mozartfox]

I also think we should consider including ‘Binning/off’ Clauses too. The inclusion of these clauses would sort out this window a treat.

[filthyfox]

Well... Man City won't be buying Nachi back for 30m,

[gerrytaggart]

[ealingfox]

Yes, but you do them for silly amounts like Spanish clubs so you can come down to the ballpark you want to be in when it's time to negotiate.

[Terraloon]

9 hours ago, ealingfox said:

Yes, but you do them for silly amounts like Spanish clubs so you can come down to the ballpark you want to be in when it's time to negotiate.

Release clauses in the modern era particularly  is more to do with the Webster ruling ( Article 17) the clause  particularly in Spanish law is more to do with the sum the player would have to pay to be released from their contract as opposed to the transfer value. The view is that the clause would be the sum that FIFA and CAS would set as the relevant level of compensation. I don’t think theory has yet  that has been tested  

Of course you will always find that the players suitors will agree ( the player and the destination club become jointly and severely liable) to pay the sum as a release clause but that then causes a tax issue so often a sum is negotiated as a transfer fee and quite often significantly below the release clause.. All very complicated but the idea behind  having stupid sums in players contracts as a release clause  is it takes the power away from the player to exercise their rights under Article 17.

 

 

Edited 31 July 2022 by Terraloon

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Not sure it'd make any difference. We value our players at a price, we're not going to sell them for below our expectations. That's the problem.

 

We also risk losing several players in one window doing this and handing over control to the agents.

[Babylon]

12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Not sure it'd make any difference. We value our players at a price, we're not going to sell them for below our expectations. That's the problem.

 

I think that's exactly what we're going to do with players running down their contracts though. Now Maddison is on two years it's a different fee to being on four years, and similarly if he doesn't sign a new contract now, next season he's going to be worth less, and the one after nothing at all. 

 

I suppose this is more about players renewing than their initial contracts. As I said, it's a double edged sword. But if the club as staunchly against them and still refusing them, we're missing out on a negotiating tool aren't we. 

 

12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

We also risk losing several players in one window doing this and handing over control to the agents.

We are sleep walking into a right mess as it stands with us already likely yo do that next summer. 

Edited 31 July 2022 by Babylon