Fallout ?

[dannythefox]

Rubbish if you ask me. Everyone at the minute just wants us to fail and fold, personally I love it. Up the City 🦊

Edited 10 August 2022 by dannythefox

[Bayfox]

Rudkin is an absolute tool.

 

Bur let's be honest he's so far up the owners arse he has a job for life.

 

And right now. On the pitch is the issue and that boils down to Brendan so bye, bye.

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, filthyfox said:

Yep, time for Rudkin to go.

I'd sooner keep Rudkin by far. Who really knows what goes on behind the scenes 🤔 

[BusyIzzy]

I'm sorry, but Rudkin for me would have to go.  I appreciate the guy knows the club, however he came from youth team development to being Director of Football and it baffles me as to what qualifies the guy to be in such an important role.  Yes he brought through talented young players, but, that does not qualify him for that role.  Infact, I think I'd rather have Susan Whelan in the role who seems a pretty tough negotiator.

 

Yes Brendan signed a bit of dross last summer, but I'm assumin his hands were tied somewhat and he was relying on the recruitment team to aid him here!  Glad Congleton has gone too, but we need to get back to our old ways of scouting when we had Walsh in charge, in fact, I'd bring him back as DoF! 

Edited 10 August 2022 by BusyIzzy

[Foxes1]

Whelan out 😄

[volpeazzurro]

21 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

Rudkin is an absolute tool.

 

Bur let's be honest he's so far up the owners arse he has a job for life.

 

And right now. On the pitch is the issue and that boils down to Brendan so bye, bye.

Rudkin has been here a long time and been a big part of our success. In real terms, Rodgers has been here 5 minutes. Do we really know what contract players are on, do we believe everything we hear?

 

Were things perhaps a bit different before Rodgers and Congertons influence? Not all signings are going to work for any club but didn't we used to be really proud of how we used to do things and in general how things worked out? Wasn't Rudkin there for most of that?

 

Have you ever met Rudkin and fully understand his role and what precisely he's been responsible for to call him a tool?

Edited 10 August 2022 by volpeazzurro

[Bayfox]

4 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Rudkin has been here a long time and been a big part of our success. In real terms, Rodgers has been here 5 minutes. Do we really know what contract players are on, do we believe everything we hear?

 

Were things perhaps a bit different before Rodgers and Congertons influence? Not all signings are going to work for any club but didn't we used to be really proud of how we used to do things and in general how things worked out? Wasn't Rudkin there for most of that?

 

Have you ever met Rudkin and fully understand his role and what precisely he's been responsible for to call him a tool?

Hes been there that long that yes I have met him and know plenty of lads who were on city's books as well as their parents that share the same view of him. Is that enough for you to allow me to call him a tool 👍

[KrefelderFox666]

I can't stand Fallout Boy. Although their Beat It cover was decent.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

This stuff hasnt been in foxes talk.  Soured with rudkin... nearly sacked in feb.

It was certainly spoken about in a thread at the time. I remember it.

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

Don't need the article to tell me the bleeding obvious. 

 

His actions on Saturday tell me all I need to know 

What happened Saturday?

[HankMarvin]

A massive tonking by Arsenal and maybe he is on the ropes?

[SheppyFox]

There’s a very good reason the “rebuild” hasn’t happened, beyond the obvious wage bill issue. We have an excellent starting 11, one that if kept fit and managed properly will be in and around the top 6. We lack squad depth and a quality manager. BR isn’t trusted with money anymore, clearly and with good reason looking at the crap he’s brought in wherever he’s been.

[filthyfox]

25 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

A massive tonking by Arsenal and maybe he is on the ropes?

Well... 6-0 didn't kill O'Neill

[HankMarvin]

6 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Well... 6-0 didn't kill O'Neill

2 reasons for that bud

 

one it was 6-1

two it was Taylor

 

there was a 5-0 in 99

O’Neil was probably on one of the lower wages in the league, in comparison with BR Expectations are a lot different.
 

 

 

[Bayfox]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

2 reasons for that bud

 

one it was 6-1

two it was Taylor

 

there was a 5-0 in 99

O’Neil was probably on one of the lower wages in the league, in comparison with BR Expectations are a lot different.
 

 

 

Don't let facts get in the way 

[filthyfox]

2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

2 reasons for that bud

 

one it was 6-1

two it was Taylor

 

there was a 5-0 in 99

O’Neil was probably on one of the lower wages in the league, in comparison with BR Expectations are a lot different.
 

 

 

Let's be fair, I was working in WHSmith aged 17 at the time, and I was quoting from memory.  I know Bergkamp had fun that day.

The 5-0 is what I remember.

Also, you didn't say *TWAT* Taylor- you have broken the rules.

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

1 hour ago, Bayfox said:

Rudkin is an absolute tool.

 

Bur let's be honest he's so far up the owners arse he has a job for life.

 

And right now. On the pitch is the issue and that boils down to Brendan so bye, bye.

So if you're pinning all transfers on rudkin, does it make him a tool how he managed to sell Musa for a profit after being terrible, selling Maguire for a world record fee when he was bang average. Selling schlupp for £13m? Selling chilwell and drinkwater after poor seasons for us for a combined 80+m? 

 

Buying little wes, Kante, Mahrez, ndidi ect ect

 

But obviously because this fake article suits people's narratives you feel you can justify calling him a tool, when in fact, he has been behind a group who have bought Leicester their best period in their history.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Bayfox said:

Hes been there that long that yes I have met him and know plenty of lads who were on city's books as well as their parents that share the same view of him. Is that enough for you to allow me to call him a tool 👍

When I met him on a work basis I found him to be very professional and clearly cared about what he did. He was also well aware that some of what he did was unpopular but everyone has their orders and the buck stops there when you have to carry them out. He'd just had to sack someone and was quite upset about it. Sometimes there's a bigger picture that not everyone is privy to.

[volpeazzurro]

2 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

So if you're pinning all transfers on rudkin, does it make him a tool how he managed to sell Musa for a profit after being terrible, selling Maguire for a world record fee when he was bang average. Selling schlupp for £13m? Selling chilwell and drinkwater after poor seasons for us for a combined 80+m? 

 

Buying little wes, Kante, Mahrez, ndidi ect ect

 

But obviously because this fake article suits people's narratives you feel you can justify calling him a tool, when in fact, he has been behind a group who have bought Leicester their best period in their history.

Precisely. 

[Bayfox]

7 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

So if you're pinning all transfers on rudkin, does it make him a tool how he managed to sell Musa for a profit after being terrible, selling Maguire for a world record fee when he was bang average. Selling schlupp for £13m? Selling chilwell and drinkwater after poor seasons for us for a combined 80+m? 

 

Buying little wes, Kante, Mahrez, ndidi ect ect

 

But obviously because this fake article suits people's narratives you feel you can justify calling him a tool, when in fact, he has been behind a group who have bought Leicester their best period in their history.

Sorry missed the part where I pinned all transfers in him. Infact I never mentioned transfers at all. My opinion of him is based on personal experience.

 

But at the same time, My original post suggested he was less to blame right now than rodgers. But don't let that get in the way of your agenda 

 

 

[Bayfox]

8 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

When I met him on a work basis I found him to be very professional and clearly cared about what he did. He was also well aware that some of what he did was unpopular but everyone has their orders and the buck stops there when you have to carry them out. He'd just had to sack someone and was quite upset about it. Sometimes there's a bigger picture that not everyone is privy to.

And in what capacity did you meet him in a work basis. Genuine question. 

 

I know several level headed kids, parents etc that would suggest he's anything but. I accept that it's a cut throat business but you are probably the 1st person I've ever seen have a positive thing to say about him

 

And I accept that I've barely come across anyone in the professional game that's actually not a complete **** away from the cameras

 

[Bert]

2 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

@ARM1968 , your itk got any info on whether this has legs? 

Why would he know about legs? His name is Arm. 

[volpeazzurro]

5 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

And in what capacity did you meet him in a work basis. Genuine question. 

 

I know several level headed kids, parents etc that would suggest he's anything but. I accept that it's a cut throat business but you are probably the 1st person I've ever seen have a positive thing to say about him

 

And I accept that I've barely come across anyone in the professional game that's actually not a complete **** away from the cameras

 

Although I'm unlikely to meet him again it wouldn't be right for professional reasons to say how and why I came to meet him but certain things of confidence were discussed. 

 

Not a basis, I know, to completely judge a man but I think over the years, you have to take all the good things and his successes into consideration too as someone has mentioned.

 

He knew full well that something he'd had to do would sit very badly with the players but nevertheless it was necessary and he was told to do it. 

 

As for the parents of kids I can't comment on him with regards to that other than football can be a horrible cut throat business at that level and certainly there are times when things could be dealt with better.

 

I know this partly because my son was involved between the ages of 12-17yrs with West Brom whilst, at the same time, going to Beauchamp College where all the academy kids had to go at that time (don't know whether they still do). This was Luke Thomas's era who is a very dedicated decent and grounded young man. My son was friends with quite a number of them and obviously kids talk, including what they see of and how they're treated by first teamers etc, some of it is quite comical to be honest. 

 

Nevertheless, it can be a nasty business and very upsetting for them at a young age particularly as most don't make it. Some of them learn to just hate football. I personally know two that turned down professional contracts at then good Championship clubs because they just didn't want to play football anymore and wanted out.

 

As for parents, with my son, I met some who were brilliant but also some that were just so convinced about the talent of their kids but were basically living their lives through them. Some of them were just thick gobby puddings that must have been difficult to deal with. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

This is just my take on the situation, the club has been run very well on and off the pitch, we have a successful business/recruitment model and pre Rodgers had an excellent record with injury prevention. 
 

Rodgers arrived and I think it was seen as somewhat of a coup for the club, I think Rodgers saw it as no more than a stepping stone back to a big 6 club. Rodgers in his first two seasons delivered some fantastic football and had us challenging for Champions League and ended up delivering European football for 2 seasons running and securing our first ever FA Cup trophy and winning the Community Shield, in between all that there has been speculation linking him to Arsenal, Spurs and Man United. 
 

Both the links to Arsenal and Spurs were at times when Rodgers stock was very high, Arsenal was around November/December time  during his first year when we were absolutely flying, whilst the Spurs interest was after the FA Cup Final, at the time rightly so the club wanted to protect what they deemed to be a very important asset, Rodgers used this as an opportunity to gain leverage and increase his influence with major decisions and strategy.
 

As a result he was able to restructure the medical team including getting rid of the long standing head of physio, he was able to influence the hiring of his mate Congerton as head of recruitment, please don’t tell me he didn’t have an influence on the profile of players identified or recommended for signing. 
for the first summer in a quite a few we didn’t make a major sale, I think again this was the board backing the manager, by giving him the best opportunity to secure champions league 3rd time lucky. 
 

I think last seasons drop off, poor showing in europa league and the capitulation in the Cup vs Forest was the straw that broke the camels back and since that point the club have made the decision to wrestle back control of the key aspects of the running of the club such as recruitment and the medical team. 
 

I also think the club and Rodgers have now realised that together we have reached a ceiling, things are only going to get worse and that a change is best for all parties it is just a case of when it happens. 
 

our squad of managed correctly is still capable of challenging for top 6/7 it just feels like the playing side needs a shot in the arm, it does feel very similar to the end of the Puel era where the players seemed to be playing with a lack of freedom due to tactical constraints and the stubbornness of the manager to not deviate from his vision. 
 

I honestly believe that the managers tenure is coming to an end and I would be amazed if he survives to the start of the World Cup. 
 

You cannot throw a big % of your squad under a bus without it eventually coming back to bite you especially when most of those players are still at the club, it does not make for a harmonious and successful atmosphere.