Stadium atmosphere

[Dan]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

That's insane. Can you appeal it, or get the FSA to support you in doing so? 

 

1 hour ago, SK3Blue said:

Disgraceful, get some legal advice if you can. 

I've already appealed, sat there on a teams call where I've had the 'evidence' presented to me. They've even admitted themselves it's done on the balance of probability. They're not interested. Their mind was made up way before this happened in my honest opinion. I'm not the only one.

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Yeah at the end of the day I think image is quite important to them - after all I've seen proof in the past that on a good behavioural agreement that they have a section where you have to sign to not slag the club off on socials. True story.

 

Unfortunately this is probably true. None of this was ever designed to be fair. They know what they're doing.

This might be the justification they hide behind.

 

They might say that it is the club's "reasonable opinion" that you are 'likely to fail to comply with ground regulations," but then it's up to a solicitor or an FSA representative to discuss whether their actions are 'reasonable.'

[Dan]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

This might be the justification they hide behind.

 

They might say that it is the club's "reasonable opinion" that you are 'likely to fail to comply with ground regulations," but then it's up to a solicitor or an FSA representative to discuss whether their actions are 'reasonable.'

Yeah like I say they'll be well covered. They decided this a while ago and just wanted an excuse. I'm not the first this has happened to and I probably won't be the last.

 

I appreciate the messages - I don't really think there's much else I can really do in truth other than embarrass them about it. They'll have some way to worm out of this. But the more people that know how this club truly operates in this day and age the better.

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

Yeah like I say they'll be well covered. They decided this a while ago and just wanted an excuse. I'm not the first this has happened to and I probably won't be the last.

 

I appreciate the messages - I don't really think there's much else I can really do in truth other than embarrass them about it. They'll have some way to worm out of this. But the more people that know how this club truly operates in this day and age the better.

Do you know who makes the final decision on bans or is it a group of them? This can’t go on. It’s absolutely unacceptable to ban someone with no evidence at all. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Do you know who makes the final decision on bans or is it a group of them? This can’t go on. It’s absolutely unacceptable to ban someone with no evidence at all. 

The "sanctions committee" who I could name but I won't.

 

Conveniently, the list of sanctions (bans) that the club listed on the website monthly after discussions with the supporters groups, has disappeared after a few months. It's a sustained campaign against demographics they don't want.

[Nolucklcfc]

12 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The "sanctions committee" who I could name but I won't.

 

Conveniently, the list of sanctions (bans) that the club listed on the website monthly after discussions with the supporters groups, has disappeared after a few months. It's a sustained campaign against demographics they don't want.

Banning a particular demographic because they are more likely to speak out against the club and try to scare people into being silent is proper North Korea stuff. 

[ian__marshall]

@Dan LCFC From what you have said it sounds like this happened at an away game. Could you not submit a Freedom of Information request for the CCTV footage from the ground? There will be evidence somewhere. Not sure if you also happen to know any of the people around you at the game, but I would have thought that if you do, a testimony from them stating that they didn't witness you undertaking said act would shift the balance of probability in your favour as it'd then be on them to put forward a stronger case. 

 

Don't mean to pry but in the interests of balance had you received any previous warnings with regards to future conduct or has this come out of the blue? By all means I appreciate it may be a sensitive question so don't feel that you have to answer, but just trying to gauge the severity of the clubs actions. 

 

Edited 1 January by ian__marshall

[Dan]

2 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

@Dan LCFC From what you have said it sounds like this happened at an away game. Could you not submit a Freedom of Information request for the CCTV footage from the ground? There will be evidence somewhere. Not sure if you also happen to know any of the people around you at the game, but I would have thought that if you do, a testimony from them stating that they didn't witness you undertaking said act would shift the balance of probability in your favour as it'd then be on them to put forward a stronger case. 

 

Don't mean to pry but in the interests of balance had you received any previous warnings with regards to future conduct or has this come out of the blue? By all means I appreciate it may be a sensitive question so don't feel that you have to answer, but just trying to gauge the severity of the clubs actions. 

Correct it was at an away game this season. Interestingly they had showed the footage to someone else before I'd even seen it too. I've only been able to see the clip once and that was during my appeal - as expected you see no concrete evidence that I'd done anything (as none could exist).

 

In your first paragraph - this isn't meant to come across like I'm having a go and sorry if I do, but I really don't think they care at all about if I was guilty or not. I really think I could do all of these things you suggest and they would uphold the ban. Their priority at this point, on me, is keeping me banned - rather than knowing the truth. This is not some mistake on their part. They've made their mind up and they will double down on this as much as they can. They have decided they want me out and I think my contesting of this is probably another reason they want to uphold it. It's personal now because I've not just sat there and taken it, and I've been batting things back at them.

 

I've got nothing on my record that I'm aware of at all. Never had a ban, never even been thrown out of a ground. Wrong place, wrong time and wrong association is my guess.

[Wymsey]

Can a ban effect someone's employment etc?

[SemperEadem]

2 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Can a ban effect someone's employment etc?

Not a club one. Unless they work at the stadium or training ground.

[CosbehFox]

To those who've been banned recently, did anyone contact the FSA? 

 

They used to provide great help for criminal charges - wrongly accused in many cases. 

 

EDIT: Seen plenty have suggested already. 

Edited 2 January by CosbehFox

[rugbyblue]

12 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The "sanctions committee" who I could name but I won't.

 

Conveniently, the list of sanctions (bans) that the club listed on the website monthly after discussions with the supporters groups, has disappeared after a few months. It's a sustained campaign against demographics they don't want.

Genuine question... What are the demographics they dont want?  My own assumption is that it can only be "rowdy" guys in 20s, who go in groups,  from working class areas (who traditionally generated atmosphere at the ground) and young people who are not flush with disposable cash ? 

[FosseSpark]

18 hours ago, tinpot_fox said:

I think the Man City home match went to general sale with tickets available on the day, which probably speaks more about decking ticket sales overall than any decision by the club

We are going to see more of this general sale availability at different points in the season. With ticket prices being north of £50 and sometimes much higher, there will be times in the season where demand just won't be there due to other financial or time commitments. Particularly for teams between 8th and 20th in the league who are not in the greatest of form. It's been the same at other premier league clubs where pricing has gone up over the past five years and form hasn't been stable. Fulham, Man Utd, Villa, Chelsea. It's only places Like Newcastle where the support is super rabid, or Bournemouth / Palace where the stadium size is low that are seemingly immune. The genie is out of the bottle now aswell. Clubs won't lower prices significantly and go for higher crowd sizes / stadium sizes as it costs A LOT and the real risk is that less watch your match on TV which can only damage the longer term potential for TV revenue. I'd love it if lower ticket prices  and safe standing all came together (starting in the EFL) and increased the crowd sizes across the board. If this were coupled with doubleheader days where you get to see Women's and Men's Premier League together like the hundred i think that'll be much healthier for the overall game in England in the long run. 

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

To those who've been banned recently, did anyone contact the FSA? 

 

They used to provide great help for criminal charges - wrongly accused in many cases. 

 

EDIT: Seen plenty have suggested already. 

I'd hope @Dan LCFC would reconsider as I've heard some great stories of the work FSA have done in supporting fans that have been done over. 

[ian__marshall]

10 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Correct it was at an away game this season. Interestingly they had showed the footage to someone else before I'd even seen it too. I've only been able to see the clip once and that was during my appeal - as expected you see no concrete evidence that I'd done anything (as none could exist).

 

In your first paragraph - this isn't meant to come across like I'm having a go and sorry if I do, but I really don't think they care at all about if I was guilty or not. I really think I could do all of these things you suggest and they would uphold the ban. Their priority at this point, on me, is keeping me banned - rather than knowing the truth. This is not some mistake on their part. They've made their mind up and they will double down on this as much as they can. They have decided they want me out and I think my contesting of this is probably another reason they want to uphold it. It's personal now because I've not just sat there and taken it, and I've been batting things back at them.

 

I've got nothing on my record that I'm aware of at all. Never had a ban, never even been thrown out of a ground. Wrong place, wrong time and wrong association is my guess.

No offense taken and thanks for sharing the information. 

 

Please don't give up on this, you need to fight to clear your name even if that means making the tough decision to ditch the club and take your business elsewhere. Ultimately, this will go down as a black mark against your name whether that be in future years at LCFC or even if you decide to go elsewhere which isn't right if you are innocent. 

 

I'd definitely contact a solicitor, and I'd also request a copy of the CCTV recording so that you have the evidence for your own records. 

 

I'd not normally say this, but if you're worried about legal costs, then maybe consider setting up a Go Fund Me page or similar. I know on principle alone I'd happily make a contribution and I'm sure others would too. Food for thought but worth considering. 

[UniFox21]

Honestly the more we read and hear about how they run the club, the more I fall out of love with it 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, rugbyblue said:

Genuine question... What are the demographics they dont want?  My own assumption is that it can only be "rowdy" guys in 20s, who go in groups,  from working class areas (who traditionally generated atmosphere at the ground) and young people who are not flush with disposable cash ? 

I mean you've hit the nail on the head. When was the last time they made a decision to attract those groups as you've discussed? They're only doing standing areas because they're being told to, and they'll do the bare minimum. 

[purpleronnie]

13 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I mean you've hit the nail on the head. When was the last time they made a decision to attract those groups as you've discussed? They're only doing standing areas because they're being told to, and they'll do the bare minimum. 

I can only assume the less lads/20 year old's the more families/corporate fans they can get to fill their seats.

 

I very much doubt they're concerned about possible trouble these 'types' of fans could create because lets face it there isn't any these days, so there has to be a reason, and money is usually the answer.

[Lako42]

I envisage a lot of empty seats moving forward. 

 

Shitty pale blue empty seats. A perfect depiction of where this club is at. 

 

 

Lose against palace at home and it will be like early rounds of the cup. 

[MattFox]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I mean you've hit the nail on the head. When was the last time they made a decision to attract those groups as you've discussed? They're only doing standing areas because they're being told to, and they'll do the bare minimum. 

They want more families and corporates and have made that clear basically 

 

The amount of faces in the late 20’s /30’s that have dropped off over the last decade is massive

[UniFox21]

2 hours ago, MattFox said:

They want more families and corporates and have made that clear basically 

 

The amount of faces in the late 20’s /30’s that have dropped off over the last decade is massive

They can't want more families with how difficult they make it for them to get tickets and attend. 

[Tommy G]

2 hours ago, MattFox said:

They want more families and corporates and have made that clear basically 

 

The amount of faces in the late 20’s /30’s that have dropped off over the last decade is massive

They are still there just look like 40s and 50s due to the stress of watching us. 

[Bilo]

Wouldn't showing the footage to someone else risk breaching GDPR? 

 

https://thefsa.org.uk/fan-resources/resource-training/community-owned-clubs/board-best-practice/gdpr/

[Bilo]

18 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

@Dan LCFC From what you have said it sounds like this happened at an away game. Could you not submit a Freedom of Information request for the CCTV footage from the ground? There will be evidence somewhere. Not sure if you also happen to know any of the people around you at the game, but I would have thought that if you do, a testimony from them stating that they didn't witness you undertaking said act would shift the balance of probability in your favour as it'd then be on them to put forward a stronger case. 

 

Don't mean to pry but in the interests of balance had you received any previous warnings with regards to future conduct or has this come out of the blue? By all means I appreciate it may be a sensitive question so don't feel that you have to answer, but just trying to gauge the severity of the clubs actions. 

 

Probably not for a club ban as FOI applies to public bodies, not private entities. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Few years in the Championship and they'll be begging for people back, **** them.