Stadium atmosphere

[Angus Scott]

I go to most away games & the home atmosphere is rubbish wherever you go, even Newcastle was awful until they wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half.

 

I'm convinced it's because of all the needless passing that achieves nothing & the slow pace of play, it just bores everyone to death & it's impossible to get excited. Trouble is every team is doing it now.

 

The first half at Villa was shocking

[Number 6]

57 minutes ago, Angus Scott said:

I go to most away games & the home atmosphere is rubbish wherever you go, even Newcastle was awful until they wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half.

 

I'm convinced it's because of all the needless passing that achieves nothing & the slow pace of play, it just bores everyone to death & it's impossible to get excited. Trouble is every team is doing it now.

 

The first half at Villa was shocking

My background is in analytics so I find that side of sport interesting, but I think it's unquestionably made sport in general more dull. There was an interesting graphic on shot positions in basketball: not too long ago a wide spread of shot locations, now there's like 5 clusters. 

 

I don't know how we resist it but it's made spot in general more boring. With football you add in the mega money, TV schedules, ticket prices, and you can see why it's a completely different experience now. The atmosphere at the KP is terrible, but it's a wider issue too as you say.

[UniFox21]

42 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

My background is in analytics so I find that side of sport interesting, but I think it's unquestionably made sport in general more dull. There was an interesting graphic on shot positions in basketball: not too long ago a wide spread of shot locations, now there's like 5 clusters. 

 

I don't know how we resist it but it's made spot in general more boring. With football you add in the mega money, TV schedules, ticket prices, and you can see why it's a completely different experience now. The atmosphere at the KP is terrible, but it's a wider issue too as you say.

I saw a thread on Reddit about the basketball shots, that the game had basically just become a 3 point shooting competition.

 

Football is risking becoming the same. We've had ultra possession, pressing, now a weird combination. The game itself is becoming very sterile, we have less technical brilliance and more just pure athletes. VAR is also really not helping.

 

We then have the backdrop of the game becoming a spreadsheet simulator and clubs using fans more than ever before. There's definitely a breaking point on the horizon 

[Number 6]

8 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I saw a thread on Reddit about the basketball shots, that the game had basically just become a 3 point shooting competition.

 

Football is risking becoming the same. We've had ultra possession, pressing, now a weird combination. The game itself is becoming very sterile, we have less technical brilliance and more just pure athletes. VAR is also really not helping.

 

We then have the backdrop of the game becoming a spreadsheet simulator and clubs using fans more than ever before. There's definitely a breaking point on the horizon 

I think the only way to combat it would be via some sort of bonus point system which could be tweaked every year. Something new that may not be contained in all the datasets. Seems a bit gimmicky I know, but otherwise there's only one way we're heading.

[Voll Blau]

5 hours ago, Angus Scott said:

I go to most away games & the home atmosphere is rubbish wherever you go, even Newcastle was awful until they wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half.

 

I'm convinced it's because of all the needless passing that achieves nothing & the slow pace of play, it just bores everyone to death & it's impossible to get excited. Trouble is every team is doing it now.

 

The first half at Villa was shocking

Doesn't explain why it's not a problem in any other country. English people are the problem, nothing else.

[Trekerz]

Our end was decent on Saturday I thought but we definitely need some more songs to sing. Songbook is pretty bare at the moment 

[worth_the_wait]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

Doesn't explain why it's not a problem in any other country. English people are the problem, nothing else.

 

It's nothing to do with "English people".

One of the explanations for this, might be quite simply ... because England had such a hooligan problem in the 70's and 80's, the clubs and authorities went all out to eradicate it.   More so, than any other country.  Not just the real hooligans, but anything that could even be mildly considered to be associated with it, like fanaticism and passion.     It took many years, but this attitude towards typically young/male/working class demographics eventually took its toll.    Add in an obsession with well-behaved sanitised family crowds paying lots of money (for foreign club owners) etc, and eventually you get what we have now.

 

It's the football authorities, in bed with club owners and the police and local authorities, along with an OTT risk-averse government bodies .... that have collectively done the damage over the last 30 years.

[rugbyblue]

54 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

 

It's nothing to do with "English people".

One of the explanations for this, might be quite simply ... because England had such a hooligan problem in the 70's and 80's, the clubs and authorities went all out to eradicate it.   More so, than any other country.  Not just the real hooligans, but anything that could even be mildly considered to be associated with it, like fanaticism and passion.     It took many years, but this attitude towards typically young/male/working class demographics eventually took its toll.    Add in an obsession with well-behaved sanitised family crowds paying lots of money (for foreign club owners) etc, and eventually you get what we have now.

 

It's the football authorities, in bed with club owners and the police and local authorities, along with an OTT risk-averse government bodies .... that have collectively done the damage over the last 30 years.

I tend to agree.  

 

Rightly or wrongly, back in the day it was the lairy lads, some of whom would maybe be hooligans, who fronted up to visiting supporters and were very vocal, who created a lot of the noise, especially the derogatory banter type exchanges with opposition supporters.

Now im not saying everyone who wants to make noise is or was a hooligan but as young lads, a lot of us certainly followed these guys and wanted to join in with the songs and chants, if not the trouble.  I know i behaved a bit worse than i would do in everyday life (not that im proud of it), it was just how it was.

 

All that said, a lot of young lads cant get to go as groups now, with the hurdles like restricted ages, lack of seats together, memberships and silly pricing.  That's a shame because if they did get to go as groups these days, they would have a far more respectable and better behaved group (who actually care about the game rather than the opposition supporters) in UFS, leading the chants/atmosphere than we ever did.

I dont have the answers but there are a number of reasons why its not as good as it was and i think the lack of confrontation and trying to outdo the opoosition supporters does play a part in that to an extent.  That said, i am glad that it is safe for my daughter to attend these days so swings and roundabouts and all that.

Edited 6 January by rugbyblue

[Voll Blau]

54 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

 

It's nothing to do with "English people".

One of the explanations for this, might be quite simply ... because England had such a hooligan problem in the 70's and 80's, the clubs and authorities went all out to eradicate it.   More so, than any other country.  Not just the real hooligans, but anything that could even be mildly considered to be associated with it, like fanaticism and passion.     It took many years, but this attitude towards typically young/male/working class demographics eventually took its toll.    Add in an obsession with well-behaved sanitised family crowds paying lots of money (for foreign club owners) etc, and eventually you get what we have now.

 

It's the football authorities, in bed with club owners and the police and local authorities, along with an OTT risk-averse government bodies .... that have collectively done the damage over the last 30 years.

All true, but fan repression exists in other countries too and supporters abroad manage to overcome it. We've just never even tried.

[worth_the_wait]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

All true, but fan repression exists in other countries too and supporters abroad manage to overcome it. We've just never even tried.

Well, some countries seem pretty laid back about the whole thing ... aided and abetted by UEFA never banning any club, even when English fans are set upon time and time again.

 

But the difference we've suffered that no other European country is this ...

  Bradford fire (59 deaths)

  Heysel (39 deaths)

  Hillsborough (96 deaths)

 

Three catastrophic events that shaped everything since.

 

Bearing in mind, Heysel was the export by Liverpool fans of death and destruction.  Not just a domestic issue.

 

These 3 issues scarred everything about our football with regards to fan culture, safety and sanitation. 

 

Then add in the clubs becoming money grabbing greed machines, and you have a set of circumstances that i don't believe any other European country has come close to.

 

But i agree, we could all still do a lot better.

Edited 6 January by worth_the_wait

[Voll Blau]

22 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

Well, some countries seem pretty laid back about the whole thing ... aided and abetted by UEFA never banning any club, even when English fans are set upon time and time again.

 

But the difference we've suffered that no other European country is this ...

  Bradford fire (59 deaths)

  Heysel (39 deaths)

  Hillsborough (96 deaths)

 

Three catastrophic events that shaped everything since.

 

Bearing in mind, Heysel was the export by Liverpool fans of death and destruction.  Not just a domestic issue.

 

These 3 issues scarred everything about our football with regards to fan culture, safety and sanitation. 

 

Then add in the clubs becoming money grabbing greed machines, and you have a set of circumstances that i don't believe any other European country has come close to.

 

But i agree, we could all still do a lot better.

That's just not true, I'm afraid. UEFA fine and ban fans from across the continent all the time for various things - pyro, scrapping, tifos they find inappropriate etc - as do national associations, governments and police.

 

And football-related deaths occur abroad too, although I think you do have a point about how such large scale disasters affected our psyche. Even on the same island though, another nation affected by comparable stadium disasters in the past (Scotland) now has a thriving Ultras scene. English mentality alone is to blame for why we're in the state we're in, as uncomfortable as that is for many to read.

[niyaminski]

I know there are a lot of us that leave early.

 

But my gosh this is awful from Arsenal.

[CrazyKopCorner]

I don't hear too many games on the radio and it may be misleading but the atmosphere sounds superb 

[Ian Nacho]

Was awful today. Load of day trippers.

[fox_favourite]

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

I don't hear too many games on the radio and it may be misleading but the atmosphere sounds superb 

That was the qpr fans. It was dead today. Around me no one spoke 

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

I don't hear too many games on the radio and it may be misleading but the atmosphere sounds superb 

I thought I must have heard it wrong. Was it the QPR fans 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Yeah thought it was going to be fantastic today and to be fair eventually a few around me did try but again seems to be loads buying up tickets with no inclination to join in.

[honeybradger]

Wasnt a fan of the 'we are going down chants' starting at 5-2. We need as much momentum as we can get going into the Palace game (although I agree with the sentiment that the club's leadership needs to step up).

[RonnieTodger]

I thought QPR fans were poor considering their numbers. Overall ours was obviously rubbish. Too many people buy tickets wanting to be in the section, but not contribute. Stupid mentality. 

[CosbehFox]

Pound for pound one of the worst travelling supports we’ve ever had down here 

[purpleronnie]

Really thought QPR would be good, guess everyone is shit these days.

[Trev3939]

Interesting one today. Started really poor but as soon as rudkin’s name was mentioned there was loud Rudkin out chants and the atmosphere generally picked up after that in the singing section for the last 20 or so 

[Raj]

Horrendous today.

We L1ers had to move so moved along a black, tried to sing but all the kids and OAPs just shivered and sat there so I shut the feck up.

 

Even took the kids out at 86 minutes and missed the Faes goal.

 

I endorse early leaving today😁👍🏾🥶

[Sol thewall Bamba]

11 minutes ago, Trev3939 said:

Interesting one today. Started really poor but as soon as rudkin’s name was mentioned there was loud Rudkin out chants and the atmosphere generally picked up after that in the singing section for the last 20 or so 

Also heard it was decent in SK1. People moaning probably in A2 and P3 expecting partisan support.

[Electric Yetis]

Was in G1 today next to Union FS with 4 kids.

 

Thought it was really loud and consistent, prolonged Rudkin chants too which was great.