LCFC doggo transfers

[Aus Fox]

It would be interesting to see what we got back for that list of players too, Musa we got almost all the money back on from memory. 
Hernandez, Zieler, Kramaric and Diabate I think, again from memory we made profit on. 

If there’s €190million worth of transfers there, I don’t think all of the quoted prices are correct Perez for example I thought it was pretty well know he was much less than the £30 million originally quoted. What was the total we received on transfer fees for them - keeping in mind 4 of them are still at the club.

I think Slimani is the only massive waste of money on that list in terms of transfer fees.

[peach0000]

Ryan Bennet definitely deserves a mention somewhere

[TJQuik]

20 minutes ago, peach0000 said:

Ryan Bennet definitely deserves a mention somewhere

I'd rather he was never mentioned again

[RoboFox]

Perez would be fine if it wasn’t for the fact we paid £30m. Different level pants pulling from Newcastle.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

17 hours ago, surrifox said:

Silva and Perez can’t have turd equivalence surely ? Also Kramaric  st that price was a blinding deal - blame management for that one 

 

Our pound for pound worst ever signing doesn't half get an easy ride in these lists because of the 14 second thing. He should be one of the first name on lists like these.

 

That was admittedly unfortunate but he never looked up to it, when he was up to speed and available he looked lethargic and sloppy to the point a previously injured Matty James was rushed back ahead of him.

[Heskey2011]

Should have persevered with Krameric. 

[Heskey2011]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

It would be interesting to see what we got back for that list of players too, Musa we got almost all the money back on from memory. 
Hernandez, Zieler, Kramaric and Diabate I think, again from memory we made profit on. 

If there’s €190million worth of transfers there, I don’t think all of the quoted prices are correct Perez for example I thought it was pretty well know he was much less than the £30 million originally quoted. What was the total we received on transfer fees for them - keeping in mind 4 of them are still at the club.

I think Slimani is the only massive waste of money on that list in terms of transfer fees.

Slim is misunderstood, i blame all the managers, after he left us he got 9 goals and 7 assist in 18 matches for Monaco, snapped up by Lyon only for them to use him wrong as did his subsequent clubs. Currently slugging it out at Brest 1 goal in 13 games. 

 

Played under Jardim at Sporting 40 goals in 56 games

Jardim was Monaco manager for those 18games when he was last good.

Jardim knows something and won't tell anyone else. Slim doesn't even know.

[RoboFox]

24 minutes ago, Heskey2011 said:

Should have persevered with Krameric. 

Unfortunately for him we had prime Vardy. He couldn’t get a sniff and rightly so TBH. 

[J. James]

3 hours ago, majaco said:

In a phenomenal team you could have Castagne, Faes, Justin,  Ndidi, Maddison,  Tielemans, Barnes.   Maybe Perreira, maybe Daka.  I know Justin is injured.

 

I am responding to the negativity of comments.  We need to recruit.  But 'our level' could go either way.

I'm gobsmacked that anyone sane or sober could in this variant of reality possibly consider those players (with one obvious exception) anything other than good at their best!

Ndidi has been so phenomenal he couldn’t get in a poor relegation threatened side.

Tielemans is slow, lacking fitness, uninterested and uninvolved.

Barnes has 2 good games a season.

Daka is a striker who cant score.

None of these would start at any of the teams in the top 10 after 3 games!

And Pereira was brilliant but is injured.

 

But the bigger point is that phenomenal talent is not needed to make a phenomenal TEAM, a great manager takes what he has and makes them into something greater than the sum of their parts.

Morocco are a better TEAM than England but they have no phenomenal talent.

We do not have such a manager sadly.

[Tommy Fresh]

8 hours ago, J. James said:

I'm gobsmacked that anyone sane or sober could in this variant of reality possibly consider those players (with one obvious exception) anything other than good at their best!

Ndidi has been so phenomenal he couldn’t get in a poor relegation threatened side.

Tielemans is slow, lacking fitness, uninterested and uninvolved.

Barnes has 2 good games a season.

Daka is a striker who cant score.

None of these would start at any of the teams in the top 10 after 3 games!

And Pereira was brilliant but is injured.

 

But the bigger point is that phenomenal talent is not needed to make a phenomenal TEAM, a great manager takes what he has and makes them into something greater than the sum of their parts.

Morocco are a better TEAM than England but they have no phenomenal talent.

We do not have such a manager sadly.

Despite our poor season this year, I'm baffled you think most of those wouldn't get in any top 10 side,  ignoring where we've finished the past few years. Also Morocco did well and clearly over achieved but you're making out like they rocked up to the World Cup like Jamaica at the Olympics in Cool Runnings, no phenomenal talent? Hakimi? Ziyech is hardly shite, Amrabat, Mazraoui and so on.

Edited 2 January 2023 by Tommy Fresh

[Fox92]

9 hours ago, Heskey2011 said:

Should have persevered with Krameric. 

Why? We had one of the best strikers in the Country. 

[J. James]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Despite our poor season this year, I'm baffled you think most of those wouldn't get in any top 10 side,  ignoring where we've finished the past few years. Also Morocco did well and clearly over achieved but you're making out like they rocked up to the World Cup like Jamaica at the Olympics in Cool Runnings, no phenomenal talent? Hakimi? Ziyech is hardly shite, Amrabat, Mazraoui and so on.

Yep, good players but phenomenal? No.

 

Ziyech is their best player and can't get a game for a mediocre Chelsea!

 

And as for the comparison with Jamaica Morocco reached the semi final of the worlds biggest sporting event, Jamaica finished 13th!

 

Superlatives are reserved for a very few in my book - Pele, Maradona etc of course but also Vardy at his best, Kaka, van Nistlerooy, Henry, Beckenbauer, Lineker etc.

These are phenomenal players and the people on that list are nowhere near this level.

They are as l said good players when they are playing their best.

Sadly not many are now.

[Tommy Fresh]

9 minutes ago, J. James said:

Yep, good players but phenomenal? No.

 

Ziyech is their best player and can't get a game for a mediocre Chelsea!

 

And as for the comparison with Jamaica Morocco reached the semi final of the worlds biggest sporting event, Jamaica finished 13th!

 

Superlatives are reserved for a very few in my book - Pele, Maradona etc of course but also Vardy at his best, Kaka, van Nistlerooy, Henry, Beckenbauer, Lineker etc.

These are phenomenal players and the people on that list are nowhere near this level.

They are as l said good players when they are playing their best.

Sadly not many are now.

You really downplayed how good Morocco actually are, they're a side made up of players pretty much from top European leagues. Regardless of form most of them get in to top ten sides, you've emphasised having a good manager and how important it is so surely you couldn't discount these on temporary form anyway.

[volpeazzurro]

Rodgers from Celtic to Leicester was a poor one. 

[It'sblueupnorth]

42 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Rodgers from Celtic to Leicester was a poor one. 

Ridiculous comment

[SystonFox]

7 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Why? We had one of the best strikers in the Country. 

Because he came good 6 years later…. Obviously! 
 

Leicester fans obsession with Kramaric is a bit weird tbh. Especially football twitter

[Dawko]

We could do with Slimani or Ulloa now.

[TJQuik]

2 hours ago, Dawko said:

We could do with Slimani or Ulloa now.

Slimani's performance against Villa was the worst I've ever seen from a striker. He looked like hundreds of mice controlling a costume of a footballer.

[J. James]

10 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

You really downplayed how good Morocco actually are, they're a side made up of players pretty much from top European leagues. Regardless of form most of them get in to top ten sides, you've emphasised having a good manager and how important it is so surely you couldn't discount these on temporary form anyway.

Wydad fc, Qatar fc, QPR, Angers I'm sure these clubs would be delighted that someone - anyone would describe them as "from top European leagues " 🤣

But your point is valid they do make appearances in top 10 sides.

 

However l think you're missing my point, they are good players and proved themselves to be better than many overhyped so called brilliant and certainly more (financially) valuable ones.

 

This small debate began with the use of the word phenomenal applied to 7 of our team, none of the Morrocan players could be described as this individually (if they were they would be star players in elite clubs) and yet they all put in performances over the course of the WC which made their team performance phenomenal.

Overachieving in this context seems to me a way of diminishing a teams skill and determination much like "lucky".

 

Imo it's about picking a team and playing a style that the players can excell at, not asking merely good players to play in a system that is beyond their capabilities because "thats the manager's style".

 

Sound familiar? Leicester under Rodgers?

England under Southgate?

 

My original point was that we certainly dont have 7 phenomenal players but to be successful we dont need them.

 

We need a phenomenal team- like Morroco!

 

 

[Tommy Fresh]

7 minutes ago, J. James said:

Wydad fc, Qatar fc, QPR, Angers I'm sure these clubs would be delighted that someone - anyone would describe them as "from top European leagues " 🤣

But your point is valid they do make appearances in top 10 sides.

 

However l think you're missing my point, they are good players and proved themselves to be better than many overhyped so called brilliant and certainly more (financially) valuable ones.

 

This small debate began with the use of the word phenomenal applied to 7 of our team, none of the Morrocan players could be described as this individually (if they were they would be star players in elite clubs) and yet they all put in performances over the course of the WC which made their team performance phenomenal.

Overachieving in this context seems to me a way of diminishing a teams skill and determination much like "lucky".

 

Imo it's about picking a team and playing a style that the players can excell at, not asking merely good players to play in a system that is beyond their capabilities because "thats the manager's style".

 

Sound familiar? Leicester under Rodgers?

England under Southgate?

 

My original point was that we certainly dont have 7 phenomenal players but to be successful we dont need them.

 

We need a phenomenal team- like Morroco!

 

 

I get the point you were trying to make, but I just think you've downplayed the quality of those players playing for us and the standard of the Moroccan side (albeit still overachieving)

 

Angers do play in a top European league by the way 😉, from the starting line up against Belgium, the keeper was the only one who didn't play in a European league and probably the lowest standard European league amongst the outfield players was the lad who plays for Standard Liege. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

22 hours ago, Heskey2011 said:

Should have persevered with Krameric. 

And dropped who? Vardy?

[StanSP]

21 hours ago, J. James said:

Ndidi has been so phenomenal he couldn’t get in a poor relegation threatened side.

He was injured for a while?

 

21 hours ago, J. James said:

Barnes has 2 good games a season.

 

Wow.

 

21 hours ago, J. James said:

None of these would start at any of the teams in the top 10 after 3 games!

 

Tielemans, Castagne, Maddison definitely do.

[funkyrobot]

4 hours ago, Dawko said:

We could do with Slimani or Ulloa now.

Ulloa yes, Slimmo no, he was poor and also very injury prone.

[J. James]

7 minutes ago, StanSP said:

He was injured for a while?

 

Wow.

 

Tielemans, Castagne, Maddison definitely do.

Maddison was the one l said was the exception, he starts in ANY team imo.

 

Ndidi has played consistently poorly for over a year, sometimes players never recover their form after an injury but he is patently NOT a phenomenon now. (But he may be  very naughty boy).

Castagne l like a lot but doesn't get a start when (if) JJ and Richardo are fit.

 

If Tielemans goes to Arsenal or another top 10 club his lack of effort/ fitness/pace will not be tolerated, he frankly shouldn't be in our starting eleven but for the fact there is (in Rodgers mind) no one else.

 

Unlike the brilliant Madders we will not miss him so long as we buy reasonably or promote youth.

 

And Barnes...not a fan, never going to be the player many here hope for, good in very short spells but predictable and easily handled by a half intelligent FB, nowhere near Grealish or Foden's standard cos both are much more football intelligent and have variations in their game HB does not possess.

 

Just my opinion of course.

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, J. James said:

Maddison was the one l said was the exception, he starts in ANY team imo.

 

Ndidi has played consistently poorly for over a year, sometimes players never recover their form after an injury but he is patently NOT a phenomenon now. (But he may be  very naughty boy).

Castagne l like a lot but doesn't get a start when (if) JJ and Richardo are fit.

 

If Tielemans goes to Arsenal or another top 10 club his lack of effort/ fitness/pace will not be tolerated, he frankly shouldn't be in our starting eleven but for the fact there is (in Rodgers mind) no one else.

 

Unlike the brilliant Madders we will not miss him so long as we buy reasonably or promote youth.

 

And Barnes...not a fan, never going to be the player many here hope for, good in very short spells but predictable and easily handled by a half intelligent FB, nowhere near Grealish or Foden's standard cos both are much more football intelligent and have variations in their game HB does not possess.

 

Just my opinion of course.

Right, Ndidi has played poorly, but you said he hadn't played for a while. That was due to injury.

 

I think Castagne will/should be first-choice RB even when Ricardo is back. 

 

Tielemans should be in our starting XI. He has period of poor performances, but still fits the category of being able to do something productive out of nothing when others around him are also failing. 

 

As for Barnes, it's surprising you're not a fan even though he's clearly good enough based on how many goals/assists he's provided. Yes, he can have off days like he has on his return, but he is also definitely one that is able to contribute positively.

 

6 goals and 1 assist in 18 appearances this season. Needs more assists, granted.

11 goals and 14 assists in 48 appearances last season. 

13 goals and 4 assists in 35 appearances in 20/21.

Total - 20 goals, 19 assists in 101 appearances

 

Grealish might have 'variations' in his game, but this is his output since in the same period...

1 goal and 2 assists in 19 appearances this season

6 goals and 4 assists in 39 appearances last season

7 goals and 12 assists in 27 appearances in 20/21 (Villa)

Total - 14 goals, 18 assists in 85 appearances

 

How is that not good enough for us? Not sure why you've compared him to Foden because he plays in a different position and in a totally different role. Barnes can improve, I'm not saying he's perfect, but it does help when there's more balance to the team and support from a full-back. I think it says a lot that even when the team has struggled in the past 12-18 months, he's still been one that can score or assists relatively regularly.