Gary Lineker steps down from MOTD

[Guest Lcfc82]

6 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

That’s not a commentary anyone wants or recognises 

I’m not really bothered who’s doing the commentary, can’t be any worse than the ones MOTD use regularly 

[Mr Weller 2]

All together now

 

Gary

Lineker

Gary, Gary Lineker

Gary

Lineker

Gary, Gary Lineker

 

Repeat until the BBC backs down

[Mr Weller 2]

1 minute ago, Lcfc82 said:

I’m not really bothered who’s doing the commentary, can’t be any worse than the ones MOTD use regularly 

Some things are more important than the quality of football commentary 

[Guest Lcfc82]

Just now, Mr Weller 2 said:

Some things are more important than the quality of football commentary 

Don’t watch it then

[Guest David Oldfields Gate]

13 hours ago, Diffco said:

He mentions 1930's nazi party language, as in the start of their rise to power. He doesn't mention 1940's Nazi brutalism, which what it turned into. He has a point. 

Thanks.

For interest Dachau "opened" in 1933. So it is easy to see how references to that period could be taken in any number of ways. I detest this current government but Joseph Goebbels and the tactics of the strong arms was on another planet compared to where we are, in my opinion of course.

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

It's just all a bit of a farce, isn't it? Should never have got this far and only the Tories can be blamed. 

 

They don't like it when you speak out against them. So they try and divide those that support that person/group. 

 

The Tories are the reason this country has absolutely gone to shit and this whole Lineker situation is a fantastic reason why. Amongst several others. The people in the party are slimy, smarmy, corrupt, rude, abusive, divisive, immoral. They lack so much humanity. 

 

 

It’s true, but at the same time, they clearly speak to/for a (thankfully diminishing) sizeable portion of the population - that scares me far more than a bunch of money grabbing self serving politicians 

[Strawberry_Jam]

I also think we need a nationwide campaign to destroy every daily mail paper we see in shops. We would never have got to this stage if it wasn't for 3 front page headlines.

It's a stain on our country.

Power to the people.

[ARTY_FOX]

Anyone able to give a short nuetral summary of what's actually happened as I've been out the loop for a couple of weeks. Like what was actually said and what the actual policy is? 

Edited 11 March 2023 by ARTY_FOX

[Reg Vardy]

It’ll be on sky next season…..

[Trav Le Bleu]

I think that if there was a chant in support of Lineker at the match today, a significant portion of Chelsea fans would join in. The trick would be to do it as a goal is scored.

 

Tellingly, it wouldn't be featured on MotD.

 

Scoreline of 3-2, but they don't show any of the goals 

[Mr Weller 2]

Just now, David Oldfields Gate said:

Thanks.

For interest Dachau "opened" in 1933. So it is easy to see how references to that period could be taken in any number of ways. I detest this current government but Joseph Goebbels and the tactics of the strong arms was on another planet compared to where we are, in my opinion of course.

 

 

He didn’t say it was exactly the same

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Anyone able to give a short nuetral summary of what's actually happened as I've been out the loop for a couple of weeks. Like what was actually said and what the actual policy is? 

Ich bin ein Braverman.

 

 

 

[Daggers]

4 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I think that if there was a chant in support of Lineker at the match today, a significant portion of Chelsea fans would join in. The trick would be to do it as a goal is scored.

 

Tellingly, it wouldn't be featured on MotD.

 

Scoreline of 3-2, but they don't show any of the goals 

A significant portion of Chelsea fans are currently polishing their boots in readiness to follow the call and go goose stepping down King’s Rd.

[ARTY_FOX]

1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Ich bin ein Braverman.

 

 

 

Danke mein führer 

[Heathrow fox]

25 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

Only for curiosity-but beyond that, I doubt it. It would be like watching YouTube videos. No commentators, no pundits, no interviews.

Sounds like bliss.

[Guest Mee-9]

Must be the only one who doesn’t like Lineker…

[Greg2607]

19 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

And which also had no bearing on the editorial policies of the local newspapers it owned.

You may well be right, I can't say I know enough in that respect.  

[Super_horns]

26 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

That’s not a commentary anyone wants or recognises 

I don't know for sure but don't they use commentators people might still recognise for the world feed?

 

Won't be total strangers or unknowns.

 

 

 

 

[Facecloth]

1 minute ago, Mee-9 said:

Must be the only one who doesn’t like Lineker…

You don't have to like him to also realise he has every right to say what he said.

[Finnegan]

11 minutes ago, David Oldfields Gate said:

Thanks.

For interest Dachau "opened" in 1933. So it is easy to see how references to that period could be taken in any number of ways. I detest this current government but Joseph Goebbels and the tactics of the strong arms was on another planet compared to where we are, in my opinion of course.

 

 

 

But you don't start that way do you? You don't immediately go from a free and democratic society to one living under an authoritarian, dystopian dictatorship over night. 

 

It happens gradually when it's allowed to. 

 

This government has clamped down on public protest, its clamped down on collective bargaining, its taken over the national broadcaster, its silencing its critics and Othering "outsiders" to erroneously shift blame for its own economic failings. 

 

That's not just a slippery slope it's a fvcking landslide. 

[Facecloth]

A good thread of tweets on it after this one. He might be bullshitting about his job but he sums it up well.

 

 

[Lionator]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

You don't have to like him to also realise he has every right to say what he said.

Yep it’s not about Lineker, it’s ultimately just another example of having your freedoms hinged upon because you don’t share the governments view on the world. Your right to protest, strike and give your opinion is now heavily censored compared to a few years back. Not all of us buy into this hateful rhetoric that ALL asylum seekers are wronguns (I admit some may be like in any population), that transgender people are somehow a threat to women, that young people are all woke lefties who want to destroy Britain. 

Edited 11 March 2023 by Lionator

[Vlad the Fox]

Hopefully this is the death throws of this pathetic and thick government, lashing out because it has struck a chord. What this does do however is shine another light on the government for its right wing, authoritarian and anti freedom policies and in the long run hopefully the furore they’ve created will be even more damaging. 
 

Also more pressure needs to be applied to the people at the top of the bbc, it’s clear they’re not impartial and should be removed from the corporation. I think they’ll need to go before Lineker returns, hopefully those refusing to host or appear on the show and commentate continue their boycott until change at the top is forced upon the corporation. However I suspect what will happen is Lineker will thank them for their support but insist they get back to working on the show. 
 

BBC = British Broadcasting Conservatives. 

[Chelmofox]

Interesting from a number of angles. I don't believe this is the BBC's 'choice' - its definitely the government flexing its muscles. This is a pet project for Braverman and Rishi is her enabler. But remember, she shouldn't even be in her post any more and i think she is panicking.  Another thing the government like to do is bury bad news with a 'scandal'. Its not lost on me that this has knocked some very worrying details about HS2 off the top of the news. 

 

But anyhow, Lineker has voiced his opinion in a pretty well written and balanced way, especially when you compare it to what other paid workers associated with the BBC have done over the years (names have been mentioned several times in this thread).  He's made an association not in a sensationalist way (like Clarkson saying striking workers should be shot in front of their families) but he's done it in a way that's really hit some buttons. Surely this is a good thing? Its the government that has sensationalised it, and they've done that in a way that took Linekers bait. 

 

The thing that has really pushed my buttons, is the talk about BBC impartiality.  The published guidelines are here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/impartiality/ . Its never been my understanding that those paid by the BBC cannot have or express political opinions. If they didn't, we couldn't have any programming that discussed current affairs topics.  The charter is about the BBC as an organisation being impartial. This means the organisation itself doesn't favour a political opinion, and provides equal weight to as many sides of the political spectrum it can. I appreciate this is a hard thing to achieve, and comes under constant scrutiny (looking at you Fiona Bruce!!!!).

 

As Lineker hasn't used derogatory of inflammatory language, he's being sidelined purely for his opinions on Government policy. In making that decision the BBC aren't being impartial at all. Surely it would be better to just ensure that the opposing view is expressed so a sensible debate can happen?

 

Feels like a rabbit hole the Government and the BBC should have avoided. 

[fox_up_north]

Anyone who thinks this isn't a concern; I teach A Level History and one of the topics is Mussolini and the rise of Fascism.

 

Please, if you don't think it's a concern that Gary Lineker, a footballer who made one tweet in disagreement with the government, has been told to shut up, read up on Mussolini's use of the media.