Why do so many people concentrate on the negatives with players?

[dannythefox]

3 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

I bet if I asked you what were his good moments you wouldnt be able to answer.  Focusing on the negatives.

He’s had loads of good moments like the assist tonight and at Leeds. I’ll focus on the negative because that’s what cost us the game. Go 3-1 it’s over.

[filbertway]

3 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

Much love back but I thought he overplayed it regularly and kept losing it. Didn't play the obvious passes. Still love him but thought he was ropey second half.

 

Then again, I thought Daka played well, so what do I know?

 

He touched the ball more but wasted a lot of good positions by holding onto the ball too long or taking too many touches.

 

Not as productive as you'd expect him to be given the positions he found himself in.

 

Not awful but not prime madders either.

 

 

[Dan]

Because we're shit and people are rightly pissed off.

[themightyfin]

3 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

I actually thought if we had 11 players like Iverson we'd of won that game by about 3 goals, absolutely brilliant tonight, he relished the situation and made some impressive saves.

I dint think we would have been much of an attacking force with 11 goalkeepers on the pitch. 

[themightyfin]

3 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

I actually thought if we had 11 players like Iverson we'd of won that game by about 3 goals, absolutely brilliant tonight, he relished the situation and made some impressive saves.

I dint think we would have been much of an attacking force with 11 goalkeepers on the pitch. 

[Durnerz]

Barnes ducking out of that 50/50 proper annoyed me given the game and what was at stake.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 hours ago, Gevans_97 said:

And he’s single handedly won us multiple games this season. Short memories…

That’s why I said he needs to start and is class!

[Mike Oxlong]

8 hours ago, Gevans_97 said:

And he’s single handedly won us multiple games this season. Short memories…

It’s been the sort of season where it doesn’t feel like we’ve won multiple games but I’ve just checked and it is a fact that we have been the victors on more than one occasion 

[smudgerfox]

10 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

I have observed, if a player e.g. has a good night but makes one mistake, everyone tends to concentrate on that, blame the individual for losses etc.

 

Personally I have never understood that mentality, we win and lose as a team, and I think Maddison had a very good game.

 

In most games all players will make mistakes but they get overlooked when the team wins.

 

I have seen it with other players as well, people concentrating on single mistakes and ignoring the rest of the performance.

Possibly the most fatuous question on here ever. We are long past the point of cooly assessing performance in a grown up, fully contextualised way. The only thing that counts is results and points and if mistakes cost us results and points then that’s the only thing worth focussing on. The missed penalty is just the latest in an avalanche of error this season…just the latest new way of throwing away points which retrospectively reveal the weakness of our decision making and complacent lack of preparation. The very opposite of Pickford and his water bottle. 

[Guest Mee-9]

Geezer near me screaming ‘taxi for Barnes’ was one of the highlights of my evening.

 

Especially the fact he’s usually a commander in the prawn sandwich brigade. 

[fuchsntf]

9 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

I have observed, if a player e.g. has a good night but makes one mistake, everyone tends to concentrate on that, blame the individual for losses etc.

 

Personally I have never understood that mentality, we win and lose as a team, and I think Maddison had a very good game.

 

In most games all players will make mistakes but they get overlooked when the team wins.

 

I have seen it with other players as well, people concentrating on single mistakes and ignoring the rest of the performance.

Sickness of modern day cynical football supporters…

FT take players to task,on every > everyday mistake <  & OTT analyse

Spoils a forum because of droning consistent negative remarks…

Makes players look like they are having a really crap game…

Chilwell,Thomas,Castagna…Maddison been the Targets of late,from people who are blind to any actual game and bigger picture…and totally overlook the good movement,or crosses.Then they use this,to create agendas against individuals..

Decent game,becomes crap performance.
 

Last night was a typical relegation scrap,

great entertainment from two teams scrapping for survival, that is still the base ingredients of British Football. Don’t lie down and just die…

 

Last night also, all the fans assumed,presumed, and called it wrong on Maddison,with the penalty call…I wasn’t criticising him for his game but that one

descision,that seemed tits up,and over arrogant,in the end it was planned in the squads routine. So big apologies all round,and he could of been the hero, though he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last that fluffed it.
95% of fans usually shout „bang it down the middle“

>>  away from that,I can’t understand why not our No9 ,Vardy !!

but that is for another thread innit<<

 

knee-jerk in the moment, or upto a calming down period,I understand,but the intensive dissecting of players every single mistakes, & errors or due sometimes because of other players lack of support or poor running…goes way OTT.

I sometimes reckon most of our gameday posters are Forest fans looking to provoke…

 

 

 

 

 

[Chrysalis]

7 hours ago, dannythefox said:

He’s had loads of good moments like the assist tonight and at Leeds. I’ll focus on the negative because that’s what cost us the game. Go 3-1 it’s over.

So the game was FT at the penalty and he didnt contribute to any goals or goal prevention , sorry didnt know that.

Edited 2 May 2023 by Chrysalis

[Dames]

9 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Its a good job you not our manager then, that would be a rapid way to destroy confidence.

No we're not the manager but we are frustrated fans that pay good money and give up a good amount of time to follow a team that cannot get the basics right on a weekly basis.

 

You'd have a point with your initial post if it was just a one off but its not. Individual avoidable errors have contributed massively to the position we are in this season and whilst Rodgers was here the ire was mostly directed at him and the players got off lightly. Now he's gone, the pressure is on and we look like we are about to drop there is absolutely nowhere left to hide and at this stage in the season as long as its not abuse negativity towards the players performances is 100% warranted and deserved. 

 

Lets call a spade a spade. If a player isn't performing well enough its time to call it out. 

[stourbridgefox]

10 hours ago, Izzy said:

And no one ever, ever, gives the opposition any credit.

 

People forget they've got as much right as us to try and win the game.

Brian Little said pretty much the same thing back in the day.

[smudgerfox]

5 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Sickness of modern day cynical football supporters…

…. people who are blind to any actual game and bigger picture…and totally overlook the good movement,or crosses.Then they use this,to create agendas against individuals..

 

On the contrary…no one wants the club to be in this position. No one wants to be criticising star players or players who’ve been at the club since they were young boys. No one I know enjoys it or looks forward to another week of ranting and raving about another 90+ minutes of organisational carnage. It actually makes day to day life more difficult and less enjoyable.

 

The negativity comes from the sheer frustration of seeing our club establish itself in its strongest position in English football in its entire history, and then to throw away that advantage - built over a decade of steady progress and development -  in the space of just two disastrous seasons. The scale of the mismanagement is without precedent. The failure of the board, the manager, the players, to realise where we were heading is quite unforgivable. 
 

[Chrysalis]

I get the frustration, but I think calling out individual players as costing a game is taking it too far.

 

I was one of those that used to moan about Chilwell which since then is something I have thought about (especially after having to make an apology on the forum) and I think I was wrong to focus on his negatives back then, but even then I never ever blamed him for us losing a game.  Its a team sport.

 

Naturally errors will increase during pressure games as well, and each of our remaining games is a cup final as Vardy said. 

[smudgerfox]

3 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

I get the frustration, but I think calling out individual players as costing a game is taking it too far.

 

I was one of those that used to moan about Chilwell which since then is something I have thought about (especially after having to make an apology on the forum) and I think I was wrong to focus on his negatives back then, but even then I never ever blamed him for us losing a game.  Its a team sport.

 

Naturally errors will increase during pressure games as well, and each of our remaining games is a cup final as Vardy said. 

Your criticism of Chilwell was probably justified. And I agree fans do sometimes become over abusive and blame players unnecessarily. Virtually every player who has worn the Leicester shirt has been branded as useless at some point. Vardy, Mahrez, Schmeichel, Morgan -  could all point to forums in which the writers would have willingly driven them to some footballing outpost, never to return.

 

But this now is different. We are facing the reckoning of a catastrophic two years which should never have been allowed to happen. We are seeing players, not just making individual errors under severe pressure, but failing to do basics, failing to step up, failing to realise the urgency of our current situation. Barnes “one of our own” and his half hearted tackle last night. Maddison missing an indescribably crucial penalty. Vardy screwing a one on one. A left back not up to the standard, An unfit midfield. Humiliation only averted by a world class goalkeeping display. You can’t ignore what you see, because what you see is so utterly bewildering. 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

Your criticism of Chilwell was probably justified. And I agree fans do sometimes become over abusive and blame players unnecessarily. Virtually every player who has worn the Leicester shirt has been branded as useless at some point. Vardy, Mahrez, Schmeichel, Morgan -  could all point to forums in which the writers would have willingly driven them to some footballing outpost, never to return.

 

But this now is different. We are facing the reckoning of a catastrophic two years which should never have been allowed to happen. We are seeing players, not just making individual errors under severe pressure, but failing to do basics, failing to step up, failing to realise the urgency of our current situation. Barnes “one of our own” and his half hearted tackle last night. Maddison missing an indescribably crucial penalty. Vardy screwing a one on one. A left back not up to the standard, An unfit midfield. Humiliation only averted by a world class goalkeeping display. You can’t ignore what you see, because what you see is so utterly bewildering. 

But nothing really is different, the type of critic stays the same, new & younger players,could be shown and given leeway.

Knee-jerk in the moment is part of football, but in any walk of life,in any ANY situation,insistent bemoaning  as 3rd party look ons & supporters ( the word itself),have to turn the tap off sometimes.

We expect the players to show a certain amount of decorum and discipline to others and not moaning about their situation even when it’s going bad for them, so bemoaning them at every opportunity is not logical or understandable.

Its in the frustrating moments in life,one stands up…

[dannythefox]

3 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

So the game was FT at the penalty and he didnt contribute to any goals or goal prevention , sorry didnt know that.

Your talking absolute rubbish, if you can’t see he’s cost us that game then you don’t understand football.

[Guest Col city fan]

I just think it’s natural to praise good performances/play and criticise poor ones.

eg Maddison last night. He did some sublime things. Pure talent wise, he was head and shoulders above anyone on the pitch.

But if he’d have scored that penalty, Everton would have been crushed I reckon. I don’t think they’d have got it back to 3-3.

So he played well, but took and missed the penalty with a nonsense effort. And tbh that probs cost us the three points on the night.

But over the course of the season… I think we’d be down already without him.

[oz was my hero]

4 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

On the contrary…no one wants the club to be in this position. No one wants to be criticising star players or players who’ve been at the club since they were young boys. No one I know enjoys it or looks forward to another week of ranting and raving about another 90+ minutes of organisational carnage. It actually makes day to day life more difficult and less enjoyable.

 

The negativity comes from the sheer frustration of seeing our club establish itself in its strongest position in English football in its entire history, and then to throw away that advantage - built over a decade of steady progress and development -  in the space of just two disastrous seasons. The scale of the mismanagement is without precedent. The failure of the board, the manager, the players, to realise where we were heading is quite unforgivable. 
 

Think you have hit the nail on the head. When nige came back we had a direction . A plan to develop the club for the future.dont think anyone expected the things we achieved  but as you say it feels like  the life has been sacked out of everything positive.  The recruitment  has gone tits up, the injuries  are one after the other.players walking away for nothing and to top it all 2 seasons of crap football. No wonder people vent some frustration

[adejo92]

I think its because people are paying good money to go every week, and in return get a set of players, on eye watering money, who either really can't be arsed, or just lack ability.

 

There aren't many positives to get from this season.

 

All season, who has done anything above just being mediocre footballer?

 

Tielemans, Maddison etc are all good players, and they've all done the odd good thing here and there, but they've also been plagued with mistakes and bad games all season.

 

The only player, at this stage, who I can honestly say has given everything and can't grumble about their season, would be Iverson and he's only played a tiny percentage of it!

 

Faes, VK, Castagne,  Maddison, Vardy, Tielemans, Ndidi.... etc etc have all had an inconsistent and poor season overall.

[pmcla26]

Just now, adejo92 said:

I think its because people are paying good money to go every week, and in return get a set of players, on eye watering money, who either really can't be arsed, or just lack ability.

 

There aren't many positives to get from this season.

 

All season, who has done anything above just being mediocre footballer?

 

Tielemans, Maddison etc are all good players, and they've all done the odd good thing here and there, but they've also been plagued with mistakes and bad games all season.

 

The only player, at this stage, who I can honestly say has given everything and can't grumble about their season, would be Iverson and he's only played a tiny percentage of it!

 

Faes, VK, Castagne,  Maddison, Vardy, Tielemans, Ndidi.... etc etc have all had an inconsistent and poor season overall.

Maddison hasn't had a poor season. 

[LiberalFox]

The obvious answer is we were 2-1 up and won a penalty and so it feels bad to end up with a 2-2 draw. 

[foxinsocks]

It's frustrating when we perform badly.