Bluearmyfox28 Posted 29 May 2023 Posted 29 May 2023 12 minutes ago, Stinky said: Ndidi I think would struggle to fetch that these days, we know how poor he's been the last few years. Depends if other clubs know too, if I was a fan of anyone outside the top 6 and I knew no better I'd love to sign Ndidi I said earlier, I honestly think he will get back to this best. Both BR & DS wanted something from Ndidi that he isn’t. He just needs to be a ball winner that’s asked to make 5 yard passes, that’s who he is. 1
STUHILL Posted 29 May 2023 Posted 29 May 2023 24 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Potter reportedly in talks with Palace Yup, was never coming to a Championship club. Genuinely think he would have joined us if we stayed up. Sliding doors eh.
Gamble92 Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 49 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Potter reportedly in talks with Palace Thanks Geoff
Superjack Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 On 16/05/2023 at 09:08, Claudio Fannieri said: Has to be Pearson, someone who has a proven track record of putting in strong support structures, clearing out deadwood and building young hungry teams. The parallels with both his previous reigns are uncanny, one following a relegation and the 2nd time when we had assembled a floundering and overpaid squad and needed to go back to basics. we have a world class training facility and Pearson is renowned for building good sports science and medical teams, he would absolutely maximise the marginal gains of such a fantastic facility. He is also a very good operator in the transfer market, his philosophy and player profiles align with the clubs and most importantly he knows the championship inside out. The club needs a complete rebuild and foundations put into place that enables us to go back to what made us successful, clever recruitment, good coaching and top class sports science, conditioning and fitness. Our club has lost its identity and he is the man that will not only bring success on the pitch but also put in the foundations off the pitch that will enable us to push on again, but it’s going to a long hard slog…… 10 years work thrown up in the air and flushed down the bog by what can only be described as chronic mis-management across all levels of the club over the last 2 seasons or so. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-nigel-pearson-manager-8327631
LCFCJohn Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 8 hours ago, Parker Pen said: Slavisa Jokanovic? Did a good job at Watford and Fulham getting both promoted and has just recently been sacked by Dynamo Moscow so is available and has the right Championship and Premier League experience. May have said yes before but his spell at Sheffield Utd at the start of the season before last put me off. They were rooted at the bottom (along with Forest) and we playing Brendan ball and we’re toothless up front. Heckingbottom came in and got them in the playoffs and then promoted this year.
volpeazzurro Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: £20m for Kelechi. £10-15m each for Castagne and Soumare. Someone will probably give us the same for Faes. There's another £50-60m at least. Also would be disappointed if we only get £70m for our 2 big players. We're in the Championship now and clubs will know our financial situation ie more desperate to sell and they'll take advantage. This particularly includes Maddison and Barnes. If you might have scraped 60m for Maddison if we were still in the Premiership, I doubt we'll get more than 40m now! You also have to be practical from a footballing point of view, you can't sell everyone, you need a vaguely competent team to compete in the Championship and you're not going to do that with all new signings! If through end of contract wastage we lose: 1. Tielemans 2. Evans 3. Choudhury 4. Mendy 5. Soyuncu 6. Armarty 7. Bertrand If we then sell the more valuable two: 8. Maddison 9. Barnes I can't see us selling all of, as you say, despite good contractual or monitory reasons, 10. Castagne 11. Faes 12. Iheanacho 13. Soumare Quite simply put, that would require possibly up to 12 new players/purchases for a 25 man squad (don't see too many u23s making the grade). One we couldn’t afford it, two, in the budget range we'd have to shop in now, how competent or credible would those incomers be to mount a possible Premiership challenge and three, how would so many new players instantly gel? Some players will undoubtedly not be allowed to move because quite frankly, notwithstanding their reducing contracts, for what we'd get for them now, they'd probably be worth more to us from a playing angle still as they're paid for and possibly quite a bit better than many other Championship team's players. The ramifications of relegation could be dire and not be underestimated. We haven't even got a manager either at the moment now. Edited 30 May 2023 by volpeazzurro 1
volpeazzurro Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 6 hours ago, shen said: Potentially Nacho, Ndidi, Daka, Vestergaard and Soumaré. Not sure if we will try to off-load big earners like Vardy, Albrighton, Ricardo as well. Getting Tielemans, Mendy, Evans, Maddison, Barnes and Soyuncu off the wage bill will also free up some cash I imagine or at least balance it out a bit. We also need a credible team to play in the Championship?
volpeazzurro Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 6 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: Ndidi, Soumare, Praet, Castagne, potentially Kel…. Looking around £40m minimum for them, plus say £60m minimum for Maddison and Barnes. There’s £100m. The fact you think we will get less than that is concerning. See longer answer to other post, you're absolutely right, it's very concerning.
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 (edited) *Haha posted this in the wrong thread. Ooops Edited 30 May 2023 by Wasyls Pec Deck
nnfox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 Whoever comes in has a massive job on their hands for sure. I still believe that DS was appointed with one eye on the Championship - in a weird way, I think he'll be offered a contract because we've been relegated, but would have been shown the door if we had stayed up. We need a manager in place soon to provide some stability and put some plans in place. He's already here, has knowledge of the club, he's a level headed guy who knows the Championship and if he had some time to work on the players - including some players who he had a say in arriving. With regards players coming and going - yes we're in a financial mess and will need to off load Maddison and Barnes as a minimum as well as letting some of the bigger earners go who are out of contract, but at the same time, I think the club might try and hold on to as many as possible for this next season in order to bounce back up as quickly as possible. If we don't get promoted next season, we really will be in trouble. 1
Chelmofox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 32 minutes ago, nnfox said: Whoever comes in has a massive job on their hands for sure. I still believe that DS was appointed with one eye on the Championship - in a weird way, I think he'll be offered a contract because we've been relegated, but would have been shown the door if we had stayed up. We need a manager in place soon to provide some stability and put some plans in place. He's already here, has knowledge of the club, he's a level headed guy who knows the Championship and if he had some time to work on the players - including some players who he had a say in arriving. With regards players coming and going - yes we're in a financial mess and will need to off load Maddison and Barnes as a minimum as well as letting some of the bigger earners go who are out of contract, but at the same time, I think the club might try and hold on to as many as possible for this next season in order to bounce back up as quickly as possible. If we don't get promoted next season, we really will be in trouble. If Dean can commit Terry and Shakey, we should go for it. If either of those 2 are not up for it, we look elsewhere.
ClaphamFox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 43 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said: *Haha posted this in the wrong thread. Ooops Not even a good hoax. 1
st albans fox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 7 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: Stated where exactly? 7 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: I must of missed the article. If anyone has the article would love to give it a read! It’s pretty obvious that if you’re usually receiving £130m from PL income and now £30m from a parachute payment then that’s a £100m hole there will be nuances so it won’t be exactly100m (could be 80, could be 120) - but you get the gist
moore_94 Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, st albans fox said: It’s pretty obvious that if you’re usually receiving £130m from PL income and now £30m from a parachute payment then that’s a £100m hole there will be nuances so it won’t be exactly100m (could be 80, could be 120) - but you get the gist Parachute payment in the first year is 55% So more likely to be closer to a Maddison sized hole Edited 30 May 2023 by moore_94 1
Popular Post VLC86 Posted 30 May 2023 Popular Post Posted 30 May 2023 12 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Parachute payment in the first year is 55% So more likely to be closer to a Maddison sized hole So we have a little bitch in our finances, not good. 5
st albans fox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said: We're in the Championship now and clubs will know our financial situation ie more desperate to sell and they'll take advantage. This particularly includes Maddison and Barnes. If you might have scraped 60m for Maddison if we were still in the Premiership, I doubt we'll get more than 40m now! You also have to be practical from a footballing point of view, you can't sell everyone, you need a vaguely competent team to compete in the Championship and you're not going to do that with all new signings! If through end of contract wastage we lose: 1. Tielemans 2. Evans 3. Choudhury 4. Mendy 5. Soyuncu 6. Armarty 7. Bertrand If we then sell the more valuable two: 8. Maddison 9. Barnes I can't see us selling all of, as you say, despite good contractual or monitory reasons, 10. Castagne 11. Faes 12. Iheanacho 13. Soumare Quite simply put, that would require possibly up to 12 new players/purchases for a 25 man squad (don't see too many u23s making the grade). One we couldn’t afford it, two, in the budget range we'd have to shop in now, how competent or credible would those incomers be to mount a possible Premiership challenge and three, how would so many new players instantly gel? Some players will undoubtedly not be allowed to move because quite frankly, notwithstanding their reducing contracts, for what we'd get for them now, they'd probably be worth more to us from a playing angle still as they're paid for and possibly quite a bit better than many other Championship team's players. The ramifications of relegation could be dire and not be underestimated. We haven't even got a manager either at the moment now. You’re right that we won’t just sell everyone but if we receive a good offer for someone like faes and the new manager is happy that glover can get someone in then maybe we would move him on - that’s true for all of them I guess. but assuming that no one wants anyone apart from madders, Barnes and Castagne , then I reckon we’re left with GK:iverson/ward/smithies. (Have to sell ward or more likely, move on smithies on a free) Fb: ricky/JJ/VK/ Thomas/ - Thomas is final year of his contract so he could be sold. CB: faes/souttar/vestergaard - vestergaard likely to be sold or come to an arrangement M: Bouba/KDH/hamza/Albrighton /praet/wilf - hamza and Marc in final year as is praet and wilf who will surely both leave S: daka/kel/vards - kel in final year so likely to be sold Depending on who they think can step up from the U23, we will likely need to bring in two CB, 2 midfielders, and 2 wide players 46 games is going to be a slog ! 1
ClaphamFox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 13 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Parachute payment in the first year is 55% So more likely to be closer to a Maddison sized hole Yes, it’s 55% in the first year. No idea where this £30m figure has come from.
st albans fox Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Parachute payment in the first year is 55% So more likely to be closer to a Maddison sized hole the bank have their mits on that if they want - they will likely re structure though. 55% of what though ? What is Broadcast revenue ? The merit payment is based on where you finish - how does that work? The facility fee depends on how many times you’ve been on live. I think it’s 55% of the previous season earnings which is around 65/70m (so we are 55/60m down on broadcast income ). we do need to assume that commercial revenue will be sharply reduced though with sponsorship deals having relegation clauses which are likely to be substantial. and the stepped parachute payments bring into focus the absolute disaster that not bouncing back would be id still see the gap as being somewhere between 80 and 120m (we’ve been making sig losses) Edited 30 May 2023 by st albans fox
Guest Bilo Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 29 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Parachute payment in the first year is 55% So more likely to be closer to a Maddison sized hole So if we're to have a hole in our finances that can be plugged by the sale of Maddison, selling Barnes, Ndidi and Castagne, as well as getting other high earners off the books, could mean we end up having pretty substantial financial muscle for the Championship? The fact our squad is by far the most valuable and best paid of the three relegated sides could end up being a blessing if we reinvest the money reasonably well. We could even be reasonably competitive with lower end PL clubs on that basis as I imagine clubs like Luton and Bournemouth will be fairly conservative in the market and a decent manager could argue that we'd be a good prospect to go up as they go down, as well as offer generous promotion bonuses.
Happy Fox Posted 30 May 2023 Author Posted 30 May 2023 1 minute ago, Bilo said: So if we're to have a hole in our finances that can be plugged by the sale of Maddison, selling Barnes, Ndidi and Castagne, as well as getting other high earners off the books, could mean we end up having pretty substantial financial muscle for the Championship? The fact our squad is by far the most valuable and best paid of the three relegated sides could end up being a blessing if we reinvest the money reasonably well. We could even be reasonably competitive with lower end PL clubs on that basis as I imagine clubs like Luton and Bournemouth will be fairly conservative in the market and a decent manager could argue that we'd be a good prospect to go up as they go down, as well as offer generous promotion bonuses. I don't see Rob Edwards dropping down a division to manage us no matter how big we are relative to Luton Town.
Guest Bilo Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 4 minutes ago, Happy Fox said: I don't see Rob Edwards dropping down a division to manage us no matter how big we are relative to Luton Town. Err, what? In fairness, I wouldn't be opposed to someone like Rafa getting the job on a two year contract with as much freedom as he likes and chunky promotion (and survival) bonuses. He's done it before in worse circumstances than ours.
Kinowe Soorie Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 Unless an extraordinary manager becomes available, I think I’m going with the appointment of Dean Smith. He’ll have a good idea of the squad’s strengths and weaknesses, which player’s are staying or leaving. Smith also has a pretty good track record of player recruitment. We need to sign players that can be more than good enough to get us back up, but also be good enough to play in the Prem. We can’t be having another squad overhaul, if we do manage a quick promotion. The club can not hang around either way, massive season in front of us.
Guest Bilo Posted 30 May 2023 Posted 30 May 2023 2 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said: Unless an extraordinary manager becomes available, I think I’m going with the appointment of Dean Smith. He’ll have a good idea of the squad’s strengths and weaknesses, which player’s are staying or leaving. Smith also has a pretty good track record of player recruitment. We need to sign players that can be more than good enough to get us back up, but also be good enough to play in the Prem. We can’t be having another squad overhaul, if we do manage a quick promotion. The club can not hang around either way, massive season in front of us. Tbf Villa fans love him for how he got them promoted under not dissimilar circumstances. The black mark is his time with Norwich.
Happy Fox Posted 30 May 2023 Author Posted 30 May 2023 5 minutes ago, Bilo said: Err, what? In fairness, I wouldn't be opposed to someone like Rafa getting the job on a two year contract with as much freedom as he likes and chunky promotion (and survival) bonuses. He's done it before in worse circumstances than ours. Sorry I thought you were thinking that a manager from one of the lesser teams in the premier league would jump a division down and take us on. I agree with you someone like Rafa would be class.
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