Harry Winks

[Gamble92]

3 hours ago, Sooper Steve's shin said:

This point keeps coming up - we have paid too much to too many on contracts that are too long. But if we hadn’t stretched to those players’ demands, fans would be turning on the board/owner saying we need more backing. If we’d lost out on, say, Winks because we didn’t want to pay him enough or Skipp because we didn’t want to pay the transfer fee, then at the time it looks like we’ve lost out on a decent player who could do a job for us. There’s always an element of the unknown with transfers, but you can’t put escape clauses in or contracts become worthless to the player. 

The thing is though we pay amounts no one else are even thinking about. Coady openly admitted he could not believe what he was offered while he was still here. 

 

The way they've operated with wages hasn't been bad luck. Even if it was they haven't learned anything have they? 

[Winstonthedog]

21 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

I've even transfer listed him on FM. That's how angry I am

His careers is basically over with that bombshell

[LCFCJohn]

18 minutes ago, Lcfcwigstonblue said:

50% of signings successful then, that’s actually a very good window.

 

Yes, as I started going through I did realise and have acknowledged that. But as I say, we still made some awful signings (Coady and Winks) and had we used that money wisely, we would have been much better placed.

 

But as I also said, even the good signings have/had some glaring issues of the nature we need to address (mentality). Now that’s fine for your Fatawu’s and Mavididi’s but overall, as a window, we were lacking. Hence why we dropped right off and nearly threw promotion away.

 

But the other point was, people make out like Maresca’s tenure was 100% perfect. When it wasn’t.

[murphy]

3 hours ago, Sooper Steve's shin said:

This point keeps coming up - we have paid too much to too many on contracts that are too long. But if we hadn’t stretched to those players’ demands, fans would be turning on the board/owner saying we need more backing. If we’d lost out on, say, Winks because we didn’t want to pay him enough or Skipp because we didn’t want to pay the transfer fee, then at the time it looks like we’ve lost out on a decent player who could do a job for us. There’s always an element of the unknown with transfers, but you can’t put escape clauses in or contracts become worthless to the player. 

Our problem has been, on so many occasions, that we created the perfect storm of buying very ordinary players and putting them on ridiculous contracts, lumbering ourselves with said highly paid duffers for the entirety of their contracts as we slide down into mediocrity.  I mean who signs Bertrand, Vestergaard or Wout Faes when you're chasing Champion's League?

 

If we had pushed the boat out to sign top quality players with the lure of high wages that would have been a different scenario.

[SafewayFox]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

Our problem has been, on so many occasions, that we created the perfect storm of buying very ordinary players and putting them on ridiculous contracts, lumbering ourselves with said highly paid duffers for the entirety of their contracts as we slide down into mediocrity.  I mean who signs Bertrand, Vestergaard or Wout Faes when you're chasing Champion's League?

 

If we had pushed the boat out to sign top quality players with the lure of high wages that would have been a different scenario.

100%
 

Our spend on wages was not reflective with the transfer fee of 90% of our signings.

 

We shopped in the bargain bin but then paid the player an elite salary, terrible business acumen when say it that bluntly.

[fox_favourite]

He chatted sh.... And he got kicked out. 

 

Good. 

[Leeds Fox]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Yes, as I started going through I did realise and have acknowledged that. But as I say, we still made some awful signings (Coady and Winks) and had we used that money wisely, we would have been much better placed.

 

But as I also said, even the good signings have/had some glaring issues of the nature we need to address (mentality). Now that’s fine for your Fatawu’s and Mavididi’s but overall, as a window, we were lacking. Hence why we dropped right off and nearly threw promotion away.

 

But the other point was, people make out like Maresca’s tenure was 100% perfect. When it wasn’t.

So as useless and unsettling he’s been under RvN and Marti, Winks was absolutely instrumental in our first promotion. It’s on us for not upgrading when we were promoted. We were run like a local leisure centre on the biggest stage in the world. 

[LCFCJohn]

41 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

So as useless and unsettling he’s been under RvN and Marti, Winks was absolutely instrumental in our first promotion. It’s on us for not upgrading when we were promoted. We were run like a local leisure centre on the biggest stage in the world. 

I’m not saying he wasn’t. Or he was good for much of the season, not all.

 

But I believe we could have brought in someone for half the fee and wages, with a better attitude who would have offered just as much. If we were smarter with our scouting and a well ran club. 
 

My issue is we overpaid (fee and wages) and with the attitude, overall he has been poor business. As was Coady. Mavididi has been solid business for the outlay, Fatawu and Hermansen better than solid.

 

But still issues with the mentality. Lack of real leaders and winners. Jordan James, albeit on loan currently, rectifies this. And even Skipp as well. Will we end up thanking Cooper? 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Acted a twat for two managers who both eventually got him out, results have picked up since he's been out. You'd hope any potential future clubs pick up on these points.

[cropstonfox]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I’m not saying he wasn’t. Or he was good for much of the season, not all.

 

But I believe we could have brought in someone for half the fee and wages, with a better attitude who would have offered just as much. If we were smarter with our scouting and a well ran club. 
 

My issue is we overpaid (fee and wages) and with the attitude, overall he has been poor business. As was Coady. Mavididi has been solid business for the outlay, Fatawu and Hermansen better than solid.

 

But still issues with the mentality. Lack of real leaders and winners. Jordan James, albeit on loan currently, rectifies this. And even Skipp as well. Will we end up thanking Cooper? 

Cooper knew what was wanted and how best to manage it in a desperate situation.

He was a football man who was never liked here because:- He was ex Forest.He had funny eyes.We thought we were better than we were.

When we are promoted next season after the clear out of the long term dross left over from Rogers, we will thank Cooper

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[Mickyblueeyes]

I’ve been a fan of his since he came in. Especially that first 20/30 games under Enzo. Thought he was the base to build around. Really wanted him to rebuild this season. After Sheff Wed was convinced he would go from strength to strength. His last “good” performance was for 60/70 v Wrexham where he ran the show. Since then he has got progressively worse. 
 

After the first 30 or so under Enzo. Last season post Forest. And this season when the going gets tough. Combined with him being Spurs best player v Madrid only for it to end with a loan to Italy and permanent transfer to us. It all suggests for very good reason, one thing about Harry Winks - he goes hiding when the going gets tough. Finds excuses. Loses desire. Becomes a liability. 
 

The Enzo I miss you rubbish. The RVN fall out. The Instagram post in some garden. The non-celebration v Huddersfield. Fall over v Sheff United. The rumours around problems with training. Nah mate, you’ve disrespected this club far too much and your two yard passes don’t give you an excuse of being a maverick. 
 

No more excuses or hope. Like Faes, he should be doing everything to be sold at 12:01 am on New Years Day - that’s after he comes out from out behind the sofa because the fireworks were a bit loud. 
 

This mentality of player is what we’ve filled our club with in the last 2/3 seasons and it’s unfair on those willing to roll up their sleeves and put a shift in when it isn’t going right. 

[LCFCJohn]

13 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

Cooper knew what was wanted and how best to manage it in a desperate situation.

He was a football man who was never liked here because:- He was ex Forest.He had funny eyes.We thought we were better than we were.

When we are promoted next season after the clear out of the long term dross left over from Rogers, we will thank Cooper

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I agree. Skipp is looking good now and BDR is contributing, bear in mind he was a free transfer. Bilal will have made us profit. Ayew at least was only 2 years. I don’t see long term damage from Cooper’s time like Rodgers (Daka, Soumare, Faes and Vestergaard).

[Winstonthedog]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Acted a twat for two managers who both eventually got him out, results have picked up since he's been out. You'd hope any potential future clubs pick up on these points.

Hope they don't otherwise were stuck with him for longer 

[murphy]

5 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I agree. Skipp is looking good now and BDR is contributing, bear in mind he was a free transfer. Bilal will have made us profit. Ayew at least was only 2 years. I don’t see long term damage from Cooper’s time like Rodgers (Daka, Soumare, Faes and Vestergaard).

Have you forgotten that we are playing in a different league to the one that they were signed to play in and that they contributed next to nothing in that league? 

 

Or, are you saying that Cooper took Enzo's newly promoted team, accepted relegation from day one and signed players he hoped might 'contribute' the following season in The Championship? 

 

He spent :£65m in that window! 

[murphy]

6 hours ago, cropstonfox said:

Cooper knew what was wanted and how best to manage it in a desperate situation.

He was a football man who was never liked here because:- He was ex Forest.He had funny eyes.We thought we were better than we were.

When we are promoted next season after the clear out of the long term dross left over from Rogers, we will thank Cooper

.

Don't forget teeth.  He had funny teeth too. 

 

The ex-forest tw@

Edited 14 December 2025 by murphy

[LCFCJohn]

13 minutes ago, murphy said:

Have you forgotten that we are playing in a different league to the one that they were signed to play in and that they contributed next to nothing in that league? 

 

Or, are you saying that Cooper took Enzo's newly promoted team, accepted relegation from day one and signed players he hoped might 'contribute' the following season in The Championship? 

 

He spent :£65m in that window! 

None of that, purely about long term damage like I said. And they will have ended up contributing regardless of the circumstances (only contributing after being relegated).

 

More a reflection on the fact I thought that was gong to be Skipp, until 2029 and BDR until 2027 were going to be like Daka and Soumare, draining resources and getting no return on that. So it is a positive comment that it is good to see they have become key performers over recent games. 
 

Yes you can point to the level and yes, you can rightly point to the fee for Skipp. But the less genuine deadwood, the better. Most of it will be gone by summer at the latest and on current performance, it’s only really Faes (2027) that is a major issue beyond this season. Vestergaard and Thomas even if not the one with a major attitude issue, need upgrading though.

[FrankieADZ]

Jordan on the BSLB podcast*(whisper/rumour/pinch of salt) said that Winks has been banished from the training ground

 

certainly wouldnt surprise me 

 

*the latest podcase

Edited 14 December 2025 by FrankieADZ

[Danizen]

14 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

Jordan on the BSLB podcast(whisper/rumour/pinch of salt) said that Winks has been banished from the training ground

 

certainly wouldnt surprise me 

Good for him. He doesn't have to lower himself and make a 100 mile commute to grace the club with his presence. He can stick to posting his shitey drinks on Instagram and pining after a manager that has long since forgotten about his existence. 

Edited 14 December 2025 by Danizen

[honeybradger]

We probably could have gotten £3-4mil for him in the summer. Now we'll be lucky to get £1mil, will leave via mutual contract termination if had to guess.

[fox_favourite]

20 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

Jordan on the BSLB podcast*(whisper/rumour/pinch of salt) said that Winks has been banished from the training ground

 

certainly wouldnt surprise me 

 

*the latest podcase

Do you know what frustrates me even more...he's getting paid handsomely to sit at home and do diddly squat.!!! 

[VG Fox]

8 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I agree. Skipp is looking good now and BDR is contributing, bear in mind he was a free transfer. Bilal will have made us profit. Ayew at least was only 2 years. I don’t see long term damage from Cooper’s time like Rodgers (Daka, Soumare, Faes and Vestergaard).

and Ward ffs

[Paninistickers]

43 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

Jordan on the BSLB podcast*(whisper/rumour/pinch of salt) said that Winks has been banished from the training ground

 

certainly wouldnt surprise me 

 

*the latest podcase

Well, if that's the case, he needs to be on reporting duties only to fulfil his contractual obligations.

 

8am every four weekdays and matchday - all at Belvoir Drive. Then has to clock off at 12noon. 

 

 

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, VG Fox said:

and Ward ffs

Puel wasn’t he?

[Tommy Fresh]

4 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Well, if that's the case, he needs to be on reporting duties only to fulfil his contractual obligations.

 

8am every four weekdays and matchday - all at Belvoir Drive. Then has to clock off at 12noon. 

 

 

I imagine the PFA would be in touch

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I imagine the PFA would be in touch

PFA got some standard clause in all pro player contracts that they must train with four other players or something.