The "do they mean us?" thread pt 4

[davieG]

27 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Now I’m confused 

is it UCL or UCL and European cup

because if it’s the latter then Villa and Forest should already be included in the qtr finalists ??

 

and whilst your list of winners gives  a good feel, it’s not qtr finalists which would have way more teams in it 

 

 

The first is just UCL the second is UCL & European I believe

[Nalis]

If you look at the Conference League quarter final line up it feels very European Cup 60s-80s

[Spudulike]

2 hours ago, Steve Earle said:

Of course, domestic football started in 1992 and European football started whenever we replaced the European Cup with this now bloated & rigged farce called the Champions League.

Celebrating reaching the quarter finals?! Give over, Villa are former winners!

The UCL also started in 1992. Same physical trophy design with the right to be called European Champions. However, the format isn't the same so a different competition. The old European Cup format being knock out and was actually easier to win than the FA Cup. The Notts F fans like it when that's explained to them 

[The Doctor]

On 26/02/2025 at 14:00, BKLFox said:

that stat is as pointless as the "possession in the last 5 minutes" 1 that sky like to put up

 

also there are 20 teams in the premier league each with a 25 man playing squad (+under 21s) now thats 500(+) players ergo there must be 213(+) worse players than Phillips no

there's 288 players ranked: https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/47/stats/season/23685/players/rating/premier-league

 

presumably there's a minimum number of appearances to appear in that.

 

also, Wout, Vestegaard and Kristensen are all in the bottom 10% in addition to Okoli and Skipp. 

[davieG]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/two-crowd-moments-sum-up-10029829

 

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Jordan Blackwell

 

Line-up make-up exposes transfer disaster
With the majority of fans now accepting City’s fate, the blame game will start.

Such a terrible run of form usually sees the manager targeted, but there has still not been a great deal of heat towards van Nistelrooy in the stands. The players, too, still receive rounds of applause.

But both the manager and the squad have to take their share of culpability for City’s predicament.

 

The players have performed in such a way for many of their matches that they’ve been accused of lacking fight and care for the club’s situation.

When players produce those kinds of performances, it’s on the manager for failing to draw better, more organised, more committed displays from them.

But ultimately, the focus will be on the hierarchy and the running of the club, the people who appoint the managers and who build the squad. The make-up of City’s 11 on Sunday was revealing.

Just three of the City 11 have been signed by the club since the summer of 2023: Coady, Mads Hermansen and Bilal El Khannouss. Eight of the 11 were in the first-team squad for relegation two years ago.

Of the 16 Premier League teams who played over the weekend, City started the fewest number of signings from the past two years. Brentford also fielded three, but the other 14 clubs all had more at average of just under six new players.

It’s a terrible look for City. They’re the team that have been relegated out of the division. They’re the team that’s been in most need of a squad refresh, and yet their team is the most similar to how it was two years ago.

Since the summer of 2023, City have made 13 permanent signings. They have another two players on loan at the club this season. Just three of those 15 were deemed good enough to start by van Nistelrooy on Sunday.

That’s a failure of recruitment and a failure of joined-up thinking. It’s maybe the biggest reason City are in this mess.

[StanSP]

That above shows how a club can think it's progressing (based on what the dumbasses at the top spout out), despite there being clear evidence of it standing still or worse, actually regressing.

 

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

11 minutes ago, StanSP said:

That above shows how a club can think it's progressing (based on what the dumbasses at the top spout out), despite there being clear evidence of it standing still or worse, actually regressing.

 

 

 

As stated on another thread, if it doesn’t prove to the club beyond any doubt that we desperately need a proper DoF, then nothing will. 

[DJW1]

Another aspect of the decline since 2021 must be the coaching. For example, Daka was not good enough when he arrived and has not improved at all. Some younger players have looked promising but then have stagnated (e.g. Thomas)

[davieG]

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Where every team in the 92 belongs

 

 

Oh no they don't!

[OntarioFox]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

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Where every team in the 92 belongs

 

 

Oh no they don't!

How old is this? Macclesfield were liquidated in 2020.

[davieG]

1 minute ago, OntarioFox said:

How old is this? Macclesfield were liquidated in 2020.

Quite considering we're in the top level.

[Nalis]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

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Where every team in the 92 belongs

 

 

Oh no they don't!

On these type of things they always throw a few teams either way higher or lower than they should be to generate engagement. Though to the fair this one looks pretty accurate on balance.

[teblin]

Something similar to the above. But days since we last won a trophy in the athletic is interesting.

 

What has happened over the last 2/3 year is terrible but wouldn’t swap the last 10 years for the “stability” or boredom of a team like palace.

 

What we have achieved shouldn’t paper over the issues now but we have been sooooo lucky as fans. Which makes it even worse now I think.

 

 

 

 

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[kenny]

13 minutes ago, teblin said:

Something similar to the above. But days since we last won a trophy in the athletic is interesting.

 

What has happened over the last 2/3 year is terrible but wouldn’t swap the last 10 years for the “stability” or boredom of a team like palace.

 

What we have achieved shouldn’t paper over the issues now but we have been sooooo lucky as fans. Which makes it even worse now I think.

 

 

 

 

The Championship isn't a major trophy to clubs in the Championship?

[Spudulike]

What's a 'major' trophy? If it includes Euro trophies then I don't think the one that West Ham won can be counted as major.

[Nalis]

3 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

What's a 'major' trophy? If it includes Euro trophies then I don't think the one that West Ham won can be counted as major.

Of course it should

[filbertway]

54 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Of course it should

Relative to the Champions league it's like winning the Papa Johns compared to the FA Cup

[davieG]

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Most valuable clubs after the market value update

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, davieG said:

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Most valuable clubs after the market value update

Board should hang their heads in shame ( again )  - worth less than Ipswich! 

[Nalis]

14 minutes ago, davieG said:

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Most valuable clubs after the market value update

I know this will be based on individual player market value tallied up but it feels like €273m is very generous for us and, unpopular opinion alert, €447m seems low for Forest.

[davieG]

Not much more than we already know.

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-relegation-financial-implications-10037191

 

Leicester City relegation financial implications as Ruud van Nistelrooy future point made
Leicester City are set to be relegated from the Premier League at the end of the season and the loss of millions could be crucial

ByJosh HollandFootball WriterDave Powell
17:36, 19 MAR 2025Updated17:49, 19 MAR 2025

Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha and Ruud van Nistelrooy
Leicester City could suffer 'significant' financial implications with relegation from the Premier League (Image: PA)

Leicester City's pending relegation from the Premier League, their second in three seasons, could have significant implications, according to Chief Business of Football Writer at LeicestershireLive Dave Powell.

The Foxes are odds-on favourites to return to the Championship after a disappointing 2024/25 season. Ruud van Nistelrooy's men sit 19th in the Premier League with nine games left to play and must overturn a nine-point deficit to Wolves.

It would see City drop down from England's elite division after doing remarkably well to return under Enzo Maresca last term. Unfortunately for the club, the financial consequence of missing out on Premier League football can be tough.

 

In January, Van Nistelrooy was only able to add Woyo Coulibaly to his squad despite the alarming requirement for further reinforcement. Chairman Aiyawatt 'Top' Srivaddhanaprabha acknowledged that January was a difficult month for the club, blaming Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR) for the lack of recruits.

“January was a challenging month for us in the transfer window, where our ability to strengthen was limited by our PSR position,” Top said in his pre-Arsenal programme notes. “We were very pleased to sign Woyo Coulibaly and we explored a number of options to make further additions to Ruud’s squad during the month, but the space available in our PSR calculations did not enable us to add further quality we all felt would improve the team.

“We remain ambitious, have always been committed to investing in the squad and will continue to be in the future. But our ambition must be pursued within the laws of the game."

With the club starring relegation in the face, Leicester are set to battle with the English Football League over their financial practicalities in previous years. That will be compounded by the serious implications lost by no longer being a Premier League side.

“Relegation from the Premier League is hugely impactful on a number of levels for clubs from a financial perspective," Powell explains. “The implications for Leicester will be significant.

 

"The Foxes haven’t yet released their accounts for the 2023/24 financial year, although we already know they haven’t breached the Premier League’s Profit and Sustainability Rules. Football finance expert Swiss Ramble had predicted a small £5million loss for the period.

“Relegation, for some players, sees wage cuts implemented, but that is not to say that it is uniform across the squad. The club would almost certainly move to drive down the wage bill and some of their more prized assets would likely be available for sale, as is often the case. The sale of these assets obviously softens the financial blow.

“But then there is the potential of having to factor in a new management team. Would the club retain the services of Ruud van Nistelrooy and his backroom team on the back of such a disappointing spell?

"To cut ties would be costly, but with the three-year clock ticking when it comes to financial support through parachute payments the need for success and a swift return is significant. Clubs that miss the window have historically found it difficult to rally again in a short timeframe.

“Staff cuts can often come into play, as it would with any business that suffers a significant blow to revenue streams, but that isn’t a hard and fast rule. Leicester have been down this route in recent years, and while not always an easy one to navigate, they have the nous and experience to know what is required to secure a return in the event of relegation.”

He adds: “There is the financial safety net of parachute payments in the event of relegation, a mechanism that is designed to stop clubs falling into financial ruin upon exit, but one that has its critics who feel it creates a yo-yo effect where the additional funds make promotion back to the top flight far easier.

“Parachute payments ensure relegated clubs get 55% of the central distribution that every Premier League club receives in their first season in the EFL, and 45% in year two. Clubs that had been in the Premier League for more than one season qualify for a final payment in year three at 20%."

[Paninistickers]

Pointless talking about parachute payments. 

 

Whelan has already spunked them. Both of them. 

[AKCJ]

20 hours ago, davieG said:

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These are the figures from each of the last 5 seasons.

 

24/25 - €273.30m

 

23/24 - €242.85m

 

22/23 - €490.70m

 

21/22 - €526.55m

 

20/21 - €510.60m

 

 

Shows how much we've been left to rot.

[Ted Maul]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

These are the figures from each of the last 5 seasons.

 

24/25 - €273.30m

 

23/24 - €242.85m

 

22/23 - €490.70m

 

21/22 - €526.55m

 

20/21 - €510.60m

 

 

Shows how much we've been left to rot.

Pretty damning all round that the club has only increased in value by €30m, despite having a higher net spend than that and the players having moved up a division.

[Nalis]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

These are the figures from each of the last 5 seasons.

 

24/25 - €273.30m

 

23/24 - €242.85m

 

22/23 - €490.70m

 

21/22 - €526.55m

 

20/21 - €510.60m

 

 

Shows how much we've been left to rot.

Also shows that bar the top 8 in that list the rest of the league are so vulnerable with one or two bad windows and managers.