The Enzo Thread

[lcfcbluearmy]

I like Enzo and I like the style if football he is trying to implement as when it works well as we have seen on multiple occasions this season it really works and looks good at the same time.

 

 

 

However I am fed up with managers only having Plan A and Plan B just being do Plan A better or Plan A with different personal. This isn't only an Enzo thing but seems to be the trend with a lot of managers at the moment they have there Plan A and when it works it is really good but when it dosent work for whatever reason in a match they don't know how to change it.

 

 

 

I have nothing against having your style and even starting each game planning to play that way. 

 

 

 

What I can't stand is when after 20, 30 minutes or after the first half when your plan A isn't working just sticking to it rigidly. Managers need to have tactical flexibility otherwise you come really easy to play against. 

 

 

 

Whilst Enzo dosen't seem to have this at the moment I think this is partly down to him being inexperienced and it will come with time. I don't think he is a "fraud" as another of people seem to be claiming but he does have his flaws.

 

 

 

This does seem to be a prominent problem in modern football that managers believe in there style and won't go away from it even when it isn't working and I'm not quite sure why this seems to have set in. Because in my opinion what makes a great manager is to spot when things aren't working and change them during a match.

[Dan]

4 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

It’s the lack of risk taking in the final third that gets me. We’re perfectly happy to take risks in our own box, but not the opponent’s.

 

I didn’t mind Mavididi’s wayward shot because at least he went for it. 

Mavididi annoyed me far less than a lot of other players last night. He wasn't good but he was the only one trying to actually make anything happen. Often led down blind alleys though. I cut the wingers quite a bit of slack in this system.

[Ian Nacho]

How we deal with risk is illogical at times. 

 

We play it around the back with a level of risk associated with it, beat the line of press, but instead of taking the reward of extra space and pushing forward, we completely undo what we've just done and play it backwards so we have to start again. 

[LC1884FC]

4 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Quite a simple point, in the space of a cpl of months he isn't as popular as he was, and how times have changed. Not difficult really

The banners have been in one spot in the ground all season. Those same lads were singing for Enzo the other day. You're acting like there were pro Enzo banners all over the ground and now there's Enzo out banners all over the place 

[SecretPro]

3 hours ago, sylofox said:

Do you still love him?

It's a good question. 

 

At the moment, the answer is no. 

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Stadt said:

If he's going to be this dogmatic then he's not the right manager at all for the financial situation we're in.

 

All managers would like to 100% pursue their vision, he's the only one unwilling to compromise on anything. If he's relying on a turnover of 15 players to achieve his vision whilst we lose tens of millions a season he's unfit for the job.

 

McKenna has some L1 jobbers on a par with us so Enzo doing this with a PL team is pathetic.

It's all efficiency for me. Is Maresca efficient with this squad? Absolutely not. Less so by the week.

 

There are completely unfashionable managers out there who could've done more with this squad. I'm adamant of it by this point.

 

It suits all parties for him to go in the summer regardless of how this ends up. We've not going to be able to support what he wants and needs, and he isn't going to be able to use what we've got.

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, Ian Nacho said:

How we deal with risk is illogical at times. 

 

We play it around the back with a level of risk associated with it, beat the line of press, but instead of taking the reward of extra space and pushing forward, we completely undo what we've just done and play it backwards so we have to start again. 

We need to be very patient.

Even when we need to score a goal with minutes to play and promotion on the line.

 

 

 

 

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

It's a good question. 

 

At the moment, the answer is no. 

I actually see this as a frying pan and fire appointment.

 

The only difference I see between him and Rodgers is, he don't throw people under the bus

[Leicester_Loyal]

31 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's all efficiency for me. Is Maresca efficient with this squad? Absolutely not. Less so by the week.

 

There are completely unfashionable managers out there who could've done more with this squad. I'm adamant of it by this point.

 

It suits all parties for him to go in the summer regardless of how this ends up. We've not going to be able to support what he wants and needs, and he isn't going to be able to use what we've got.

Surely he's going nowhere if we go up? I just can't see us being ruthless enough to pull the trigger.

[Hilton Fox]

28 minutes ago, sylofox said:

I actually see this as a frying pan and fire appointment.

 

The only difference I see between him and Rodgers is, he don't throw people under the bus

He doesn't use enough people to be able to do that...

[Tom's Pasta]

Two statements he has made this season concerned me:

1. After Cov (a) he said it was difficult to play the way we want to play with 10 men. CHANGE IT THEN!!!!

2. And then after Birmingham (a) he essentially said that he doesn't like us scoring counter attacking goals. 

 

This just sounds like a guy who is so obsessed and narrow minded with playing a very very particular way to the point where the results don't matter as long as we stick to our style of play. 

English is not his first language so maybe he gets the benefit of the doubt. But it's becoming more and more clear with recent performances that this indeed seems to be the case. 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

I haven't enjoyed watching our football for a prolonged period of time for about 8 years now, and Enzo won't change that.

 

Don't know where we go from here, because he isn't getting sacked regardless, we've got to hope he walks away, but I can't see it happening. We're in for a rough 15 months.

[lcfcjosh]

# puel back 

 

[notnow john]

Those who think we’ll get rid of Enzo for any reason are living on planet delusion.

We have no money to pay him and his entourage off ! 
The only way he leaves is if he walks !

[CrispinLA in Texas]

He wants to be the future Pep and Leicester is the Guinea pig...... he'll carry on this style wherever he goes.

I wonder what went wrong when he managed Parma because they had afew talented players and he couldn't get them promoted and was sacked and then went running back to his idol Pep

Edited 10 April 2024 by CrispinLA in Texas

[HarryDee8]

Why can't this guy just play for draws at times. We don't need to win every game

 

Time and time again, we get sucker punched and teams know how we play. It's too easy for them to understand at times

[Fish]

6 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

How we deal with risk is illogical at times. 

 

We play it around the back with a level of risk associated with it, beat the line of press, but instead of taking the reward of extra space and pushing forward, we completely undo what we've just done and play it backwards so we have to start again. 

So many teams are now playing this exact same way . It now not new or clever. Personally I hate it (it’s so scripted and boring). At least Ipswich mix it up a bit . Oh for a flexible approac( ……

[iancognito]

The criticisms after we lose are ridiculous. How anyone thinks the club are going to fire him whilst a) top of the league and b) with no pot to piss in baffles me. I get it, a lot don't like him. Oh well.

 

Managers need time. Young managers need even longer. Is he stubborn? Yes. Has he made mistakes? Oh yes, loads. But this constant "sack him" whine after any defeat is pathetic. I don't really care if that triggers anyone, it's pathetic. I'm as pissed as anyone by how we've thrown a massive lead away, even more pissed by that display last night but tearing into Maresca after every bad result is pointless. Teams lose games, teams play badly, teams far better than ours have done far worse and caved in under far less pressure. I got it with Rodgers last season, it spiralled, he lost the plot and most agreed he had to go. But whatever the circumstances, however frustrating it is to not have a gap to 3rd anymore, we're top of the bloody league. It's the Championship, this is what happens. The last two weeks show that no-one knows what's coming next. But we seem to have this bizarre wish to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Whatever happened to that idea pre-Norwich of getting behind the team and getting us over the line?

 

[jbflcfc]

24 minutes ago, iancognito said:

The criticisms after we lose are ridiculous. How anyone thinks the club are going to fire him whilst a) top of the league and b) with no pot to piss in baffles me. I get it, a lot don't like him. Oh well.

 

Managers need time. Young managers need even longer. Is he stubborn? Yes. Has he made mistakes? Oh yes, loads. But this constant "sack him" whine after any defeat is pathetic. I don't really care if that triggers anyone, it's pathetic. I'm as pissed as anyone by how we've thrown a massive lead away, even more pissed by that display last night but tearing into Maresca after every bad result is pointless. Teams lose games, teams play badly, teams far better than ours have done far worse and caved in under far less pressure. I got it with Rodgers last season, it spiralled, he lost the plot and most agreed he had to go. But whatever the circumstances, however frustrating it is to not have a gap to 3rd anymore, we're top of the bloody league. It's the Championship, this is what happens. The last two weeks show that no-one knows what's coming next. But we seem to have this bizarre wish to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Whatever happened to that idea pre-Norwich of getting behind the team and getting us over the line?

 

Best post of the week!
 

Sadly we have entitled fans on here who call for his head when we enter a blip.

 

This is the business end of the season, teams will start to feel pressure, not just ourselves.

 

 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Enzo is an experienced footballer, he should know that you need a few experienced characters in the game, he bought Coady who cost 7.5m for his leadership qualities but now refuses to play him.

Last year we bought Harry Souttar for around 15m...who's knowhere to be seen even though he knows about the English game and Enzo doesn't want to use Albrighton who's our most experienced player, who must have been dieing to get on the pitch seeing that our players looked knacked 

Edited 11 April 2024 by CrispinLA in Texas

[Mickyblueeyes]

5 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's all efficiency for me. Is Maresca efficient with this squad? Absolutely not. Less so by the week.

 

There are completely unfashionable managers out there who could've done more with this squad. I'm adamant of it by this point.

 

It suits all parties for him to go in the summer regardless of how this ends up. We've not going to be able to support what he wants and needs, and he isn't going to be able to use what we've got.

This is such an important point. Post 2015/16, we set out to build a ball playing technical squad. I remember repeatedly on here that is evident that the managers of the time. Claude Puel mainly wanted to play that way. 
 

it took us from the disaster of the summer of 2016 - 2019 to build a very good squad. Plenty of mistakes along the way but a lot of investment. 
 

Enzo isn’t going to get the perfect squad next year or the year after - for the club of our size, it takes time to a) attract such player; and b) finance each move. 
 

That 16-19 period had us selling players for unprecedented amounts. Two world class players and England’s main CB. That was all while keeping a 20 goal a season international striker - will really have that opportunity again ?

[Trelleh]

Let’s be honest, its just Brendanball but with a Manager that goes like this 🤌🏻 rather than that 📝

Edited 11 April 2024 by Trelleh

[Guppys Love Child]

9 hours ago, notnow john said:

Those who think we’ll get rid of Enzo for any reason are living on planet delusion.

We have no money to pay him and his entourage off ! 
The only way he leaves is if he walks !

You are correct on all points my friend.

 

 I'm not Pro-Enzo and certainly not an EnzoBall lover,  but the club won't sack a manager  who has us up the top end of the table. 

 

IMO the fact that we stole a march on the others and gained a sizable lead (until we were sussed out due to the 'tactical predictably'  of EnzoBall) has certainly helped his cause. Without the lead as a kind of buffer,  the dropped points along with not gaining any points for the losses we've suffered our league position would be very difficult now.(Possibly around 8th?) 

 

Not having any dosh is a major factor for several reasons. First to pay him off, but also deep down he knows that for EnzoBall to work he needs a better quality of player technically, something that we can't supply at the moment. Add in the exidos of out of contract players , then the punishments from our transgressions ( which could be anything and muddy the waters greatly) it all paints a bleak picture, and one that

I feel that a manger who appears only that he wants to play a certain way, that potentially will be hindered further with a bigger drop in squad depth and quality, and is also 'on a quest' to increase his managerial stock and any forward momentum just may not stick around and seek out a different project with better resources to achieve his goal.

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 April 2024 by Guppys Love Child

[ozleicester]

Just read he's gt a 3 year contract... aint going anywhere then is he.

We cant afford to sack him, no-one else is coming in for him...

Wake me when 2026 comes

[Dahnsouff]

Think a lot of the issues with Enzo come from expectation, whatever they may be on an individual basis. After the problems of last season they were fairly low generally I think, but the rapid start, perhaps beyond expectations for some, on point for others, did little to temper expectations.

We also should be careful not to reinflate the ratings of some of these players that contributed to our demise next season, as it is a group project.

I am not trying to excuse his poor adaption to the tools available to him, these players are sufficient for this level, but I suspect his inexperience is limiting what he feels comfortable utilising, hence the lack of flexibility we are seeing.

If this is to be a long term project then so be it (Puel, Rodgers, Enzo suggests it is), stick with it, give him the best tools we can to allow him to evolve this squad into a group suitable of carrying out his vision.

 

Suspect he may walk come the end of the season though and I could not really blame him if the opaqueness of the board is found to be true.