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Trav Le Bleu

Also In The News - part 3

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BertFill

BertFill

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2 hours ago, ajthefox said:
5 hours ago, David Hankey said:

The question that needs answering; is the next lot going to be any better?

They would have to be a shower of incompetent, nepotist shits not to be.

tbf they'd be in with a good chance even then.

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MPH

MPH

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6 hours ago, David Hankey said:

 

 

The question that needs answering; is the next lot going to be any better?

 

 

It would be hard not to be..

 

If they just turned up to work, never gave an interview and played solitaire on their computers all day, this would be  monumentally better than the current government's showing

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David Hankey

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5 minutes ago, BertFill said:

That's not the question that needs answering. The answer to that question is obviously yes.

The question that needs answering is 'will they be better enough to make enough of a difference to anything?'

And only time will tell.

I wouldn't be so certain that they will be better. There is no evidence yet for assuming that.

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ALC Fox

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The amount of pr!cks who think Russia is some sort of model for how the West should operate. If the war in Ukraine wasn't enough, this Navalny business should be. Litvinenko, etc. too.

 

Too many defending a war-mongering, murderous, authoritarian regime because they present themselves as anti-woke and a bit tough.

 

Tossers.

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David Hankey

David Hankey

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2 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

It would be hard not to be..

 

If they just turned up to work, never gave an interview and played solitaire on their computers all day, this would be  monumentally better than the current government's showing

Ah, but would that really be any better than what we have, after all, there are major issues that need tackling and they still wouldn't be solved by playing games on their computers all day.

MPH

MPH

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1 minute ago, David Hankey said:

Ah, but would that really be any better than what we have, after all, there are major issues that need tackling and they still wouldn't be solved by playing games on their computers all day.


 

but playing games all day would at least not make anything worse which it appears the tories have managed to do quite admirably 

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Guesty

Guesty

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3 hours ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Why on earth did he return to Russia a year after being poisoned by them. Surely he was more of a thorn in their side aggravating from the west than dying in some prison hell-hole.  

I read or saw something about him and someone else who's imprisoned (might have been the documentary about him on BBC IPlayer - but I can't remember). They said something along the lines of: How can we ask Russian citizens to stand up and fight against our government in Russia when we aren't prepared to do it ourselves. They felt like they were being hypocrites.  

 

I imagine he knew this would probably happen. Brave man.

 

The documentary is quite interesting; it starts when he's recovering from the poisoning and finishes when he gets arrested (from what I remember - it's been a while since I saw it). There's one part where Navalny pretends to be a Kremlin Investigator and phones up one of his assassins; asks him what went wrong and why Navalny wasn't killed when they tried to poison him. The assassin admits everything, not realising he's actually talking to Navalny. Navalny says after: poor guy, they will kill him now (because Putin and the Kremlin were denying any responsibility).  

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SpacedX

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5 hours ago, Bryn said:


Where’s that moron advocating for us all to listen to Putin eh? A young fit man has his plane landed for no clear reason, is illegally detained, sentenced in a kangaroo court and dies in prison. What a bastion of liberty Russia is.

There are several and have been named and shamed in past engagements on here. They tend to go silent at times like these because they achieve little more than their own self-incrimination

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MPH

MPH

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17 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Are you newly wed?  Then you must dread the red tide that is approaching.

 

Hopefully the next 5 years will be a happy period.

 

 

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Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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19 minutes ago, Guesty said:

I read or saw something about him and someone else who's imprisoned (might have been the documentary about him on BBC IPlayer - but I can't remember). They said something along the lines of: How can we ask Russian citizens to stand up and fight against our government in Russia when we aren't prepared to do it ourselves. They felt like they were being hypocrites.  

 

I imagine he knew this would probably happen. Brave man.

 

The documentary is quite interesting; it starts when he's recovering from the poisoning and finishes when he gets arrested (from what I remember - it's been a while since I saw it). There's one part where Navalny pretends to be a Kremlin Investigator and phones up one of his assassins; asks him what went wrong and why Navalny wasn't killed when they tried to poison him. The assassin admits everything, not realising he's actually talking to Navalny. Navalny says after: poor guy, they will kill him now (because Putin and the Kremlin were denying any responsibility).  

Yes if it’s the documentary I am thinking of it was simply called ‘Navalny’.  It was an interesting watch.  The thing is he did fight against Putin, constantly criticising him and his regime.  That of course was the reason they tried to kill him in 2020.  Shame he did not feel he could carry on doing that from outside Russia, as he would have surely outlived Putin.  Not sure what he was hoping to achieve by returning. 

BertFill

BertFill

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1 hour ago, David Hankey said:

I wouldn't be so certain that they will be better. There is no evidence yet for assuming that.

Depends what you call 'better.' Perhaps we'd disagree on that, I don't know, and I'm not really keen on getting embroiled in a party political discussion on here.

 

But I reckon whether or not they actually get anything good done, or even manage to stop things getting worse, they at least won't be quite so blatantly in it for themselves and their mates, or be mainly concerned with taking part in culture wars. And that would at least be better - to the extent that it wouldn't be quite as bad.

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SpacedX

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25 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yes if it’s the documentary I am thinking of it was simply called ‘Navalny’.  It was an interesting watch.  The thing is he did fight against Putin, constantly criticising him and his regime.  That of course was the reason they tried to kill him in 2020.  Shame he did not feel he could carry on doing that from outside Russia, as he would have surely outlived Putin.  Not sure what he was hoping to achieve by returning. 

Unlike his dissident forebears, who believed that they were fighting for principle and personal integrity but could never defeat the system, Navalny maintained that his actions could help shape a future Russia in as you suggest, a post-Putin landscape. He also believed that, by acting with courage and determination, he could inspire others to set aside their fears. He was fifteen years old during Glasnost and the collapse of the Soviet Union, and understood that Putinism would not last forever. During his arrest hearing in January, Navalny told the judge that she would likely outlive Putin, and go to prison for sanctioning Navalny’s arrest (the judge then reprimanded him). 

 

Back in the days of the U.S.S.R., the pro-democracy dissident movement lived by the rule that, given the choice between prison and foreign exile, one should always opt for exile. Early in the Putin era, when some former dissidents were still around, they passed this wisdom on to members of the new opposition. The late dissident Yelena Bonner, for example, persuaded the now deceased oligarch Boris Berezovsky to leave the country rather than risk arrest. This argument rested on the assumption that the Soviet totalitarian state would last forever, or at least a very long time, and that the battle against it would be eternal. Despite the reach of state assassins, polonium 210 and novichok the notion was that one could do more good alive abroad than dead at home. Very simply, as far as I understand it, Navalny disagreed, His return was a calculated risk based upon his public profile, cause célèbre and the eyes of the world being on him in addition to his smart voting initiative. It was intended as a symbolic act of defiance against a former authoritarian, now totalitarian state that is unfortunately as we have seen, operating outside international law or recourse and the basic fundamental conventions of human rights. 

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Parafox

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7 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

They probably just starved him to death. He wrote about how they do this on twitter last year:
 

He was very brave man to stand up to those murderous thugs and he paid the ultimate price. RIP.

 

 

7 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Unbelievably courageous individual.

 

He would have known he was dead man walking. Balls of steel.

If only he hadn't gone back to Russia. Probably would have been poisoned with Polonium anyway.

MPH

MPH

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3 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

The amount of pr!cks who think Russia is some sort of model for how the West should operate. If the war in Ukraine wasn't enough, this Navalny business should be. Litvinenko, etc. too.

 

Too many defending a war-mongering, murderous, authoritarian regime because they present themselves as anti-woke and a bit tough.

 

Tossers.

 

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The Doctor

The Doctor

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On 13/02/2024 at 18:22, Facecloth said:

Well that's not actually true is it? Comments came to light, that it seems Starmer accepted the reasoning behind them. More comments come to light on Sunday and they'd withdrawn support by Monday. Had action been taken too soon to remove him as a candidate then he could potentially have sued the party. 

Pretty much, you need to be exactly by the book on this. See the greens, they sacked Shahrar Ali as health spokesman for actively contradicting the party's health policies. Slam dunk sacking right? - he then sued them claiming discrimination against his protected beliefs and got a partial win because the party didn't follow procedures sufficiently to prove they weren't discriminating against him. Should be a lesson to parties who want to get rid of MPs and candidates on how to do it and how not to do it

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Wymsey

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Am very concerned that Russia will massively escalate the Ukraine situation, in particular with Ukraine apparently being low on weaponry and Russia playing the 'victim' card over Navalny's death.

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