Players contracts

[jayfox26]

I don't think any new contracts will be offered until promotion is guaranteed. All of the players who's contracts are up this summer are on tasty wages, so we wouldn't consider renewing if there is still a chance we won't get promoted. All quite interesting situations as well.

 

Vardy obviously is coming to the end but I think we'd all like to see him have another year if he could, providing his wages are more befitting of his squad role.

 

Ndidi has improved massively under Enzo but still has his injury issues which have plagued him for a while now and it remains to be seen if he could play in enzos system at pl level. His passing is still not quite good enough for what Enzo would want from his players in the pl. 

 

Nobody expected Vestergaard to play such a vital role this season but I feel he could be caught out at pl level with his lack of pace. Enzo does really seem to like him though and his composure and passing ability is top notch. 

 

Albrighton like Vardy is a legend but I'm not sure he'd have anything left to offer at pl level now. He's done a decent job this season on the odd occasion he's been called upon, but feel he could play more at a mid to low level championship side next season. Still has something to offer, just not at pl level. 

 

Iheanacho can leave for me. He's been really disappointing this season and is behind Daka, Cannon and vardy in the pecking order for me now. 

 

Praet can leave and will no doubt be desperate to leave. His injury record is appalling and whilst he's shown glimpses of his quality, his overall time here has been disappointing.

 

Fatawu 100% needs signing 

 

Yunus - jury still out for me. Had a slow start not helped by injuries and has started showing glimpses recently, but he needs to do a lot more for the rest of the season to be signed permanently. 

 

Doyle. His passing ability is excellent but I do worry about him defensively. He's very slow and clumsy and gives alot of fouls away. Enzo seems to like him but I'm not 100% with him to be honest.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Yes. If we do get promoted and Wilf stays, it will be interesting to see what his role will be next season.

 

It's a great credit to both Enzo and Wilf that he's been converted from a defensive midfielder to a good Championship-level attacking midfielder so quickly.

But playing that role in the PL would be another step up - would he manage it?

 

Alternatively, might Wilf revert to his more defensive role in the PL - at least in matches against the better teams?

While I assume we'd still play a possession-based game in the PL, we'd also need to defend and play without the ball more against the better teams......so maybe his role would vary depending on the opposition?  

 

 

It might not just be a choice between signing 9 new players and renewing contracts of existing 1st teamers.

 

We also have academy players pushing for a squad place, so maybe 2-3 of them will be promoted into the squad next season?

Nelson as back-up centre back looks a distinct possibility, doesn't it? Alves and Braybrooke were on the verge of a breakthrough before injury, while Raikhy and Cover just appeared in the FAC....

I'm sure Enzo wouldn't want to include all 5 of them in a PL 1st team squad, but maybe 2-3, with perhaps 4-5 signings and a couple of contract renewals (including Ndidi, I hope)?

I'm sure Nelson will be part of the squad, Alves need to kick a ball in anger for the first team and Braybrooke just has to get fit.

 

Raikhy and Cover need loans for me.

 

We will need 4 or 5 in at minimum.

Edited 4 February 2024 by coolhandfox

[Soar Fox]

How and why did we give Hamza a new 3 year contract? Once we are promoted we’ll be stuck with him next year on massive wages and nobody able to afford him again. 

[HighPeakFox]

I presume that were we to offer new contracts to any of those coming to an end in June, what they're on now becomes irrelevant really - it's a player that leaves the club otherwise, so negotiations are done on the basis of what they might get going elsewhere, rather than on what they've been earning whilst in contract.

 

Happy to be corrected on this.

[volpeazzurro]

3 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

How and why did we give Hamza a new 3 year contract? Once we are promoted we’ll be stuck with him next year on massive wages and nobody able to afford him again. 

How do you know he's on massive wages? 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Is it true that if we go up we have to give Wolves another 1 million because we signed Coady 🙄

[Soar Fox]

10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

How do you know he's on massive wages? 

It was reported that he was on £60,000 a week 18 months ago. Hopefully the new contract was on a massive wage reduction. 

[volpeazzurro]

7 hours ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

It was reported that he was on £60,000 a week 18 months ago. Hopefully the new contract was on a massive wage reduction. 

The thing you've got to ask yourself is 'reported' by who? Does anyone really believe reports in the media? A club or agent is highly unlikely to release it for obvious legal reasons so, unless the player themselves choose to broadcast it openly to the World I'd always be extremely sceptical! I'd suspect it's some hacks best guess and they'd alter it to fit a story ie whether they wanted an audience to gossip and speculate about whether he was being under or overpaid. It certainly works doesn't it.

Edited 5 February 2024 by volpeazzurro

[Bert]

7 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

The thing you've got to ask yourself is 'reported' by who? Does anyone really believe reports in the media? A club or agent is highly unlikely to release it for obvious legal reasons so, unless the player themselves choose to broadcast it openly to the World I'd always be extremely sceptical! I'd suspect it's some hacks best guess and they'd alter it to fit a story ie whether they wanted an audience to gossip and speculate about whether he was being under or overpaid. It certainly works doesn't it.

It’s true, and very well known so as well. 

[volpeazzurro]

Just now, Bert said:

It’s true, and very well known so as well. 

What he was on or what his new contract is now? If it's true then perhaps you can provenance it so we can evaluate the source? Or is it just well known because it's a story that's been passed around and talked about a lot?

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

The thing you've got to ask yourself is 'reported' by who? Does anyone really believe reports in the media? A club or agent is highly unlikely to release it for obvious legal reasons so, unless the player themselves choose to broadcast it openly to the World I'd always be extremely sceptical! I'd suspect it's some hacks best guess and they'd alter it to fit a story ie whether they wanted an audience to gossip and speculate about whether he was being under or overpaid. It certainly works doesn't it.

Sadly I don’t think £60k is even an unreasonable guess for Choudhury. Average Championship salary’s at the top end are £30-40k I think.

[Babylon]

11 hours ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

It was reported that he was on £60,000 a week 18 months ago. Hopefully the new contract was on a massive wage reduction. 

It will have to be, we are in a pickle due to the new FFP rules and we have to slash the wage bill massively. 

[Qwerty]

13 hours ago, filthyfox said:

VESTERGARD???!!!!  NONONO.

Ndidi definitely 

Vardy maybe on a MUCH reduced contract

Agree.

Vestergard just isn't good enough for the PL.  He wasn't last year and he won't be next year.

Ndidi definitely.

Vardy still has moments of brilliance so I'd love to keep him on a one year extension, but it would be madness for his salary to stay high. 

[Chelmofox]

59 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

Agree.

Vestergard just isn't good enough for the PL.  He wasn't last year and he won't be next year.

Ndidi definitely.

Vardy still has moments of brilliance so I'd love to keep him on a one year extension, but it would be madness for his salary to stay high. 

There is obviously more to consider with Vestergard, such as if he even wants to sign a new contract, but the pedant in me needs to point out that he made 0 league appearances last year as Brendan went through his bizarre process of freezing out Central Defenders.  We don't know if a well coached Jannik + others would have been better than throwing Daniel Amartey in a role he didn't have the skills to manage. We shouldn't judge Vestergard on last year, nor blame our relegation on him.

Edited 5 February 2024 by Chelmofox

[KFS]

2 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

There is obviously more to consider with Vestergard, such as if he even wants to sign a new contract, but the pedant in me needs to point out that he made 0 league appearances last year as Brendan went through his bizarre process of freezing out Central Defenders.  We don't know if a well coached Jannik + others would have been better than throwing Daniel Amartey in a role he didn't have the skills to manage. We shouldn't judge Vestergard on last year, nor blame our relegation on him.

Some of the guff up there is starting to lead me to believe he might actually do alright. Ethan Pinnock for example. wtf 

[Chelmofox]

7 minutes ago, KFS said:

Some of the guff up there is starting to lead me to believe he might actually do alright. Ethan Pinnock for example. wtf 

True - but watch Everton get their points deduction overturned and Brentford get relegated. 

[Jobyfox]

13 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

There is obviously more to consider with Vestergard, such as if he even wants to sign a new contract, but the pedant in me needs to point out that he made 0 league appearances last year as Brendan went through his bizarre process of freezing out Central Defenders.  We don't know if a well coached Jannik + others would have been better than throwing Daniel Amartey in a role he didn't have the skills to manage. We shouldn't judge Vestergard on last year, nor blame our relegation on him.

I think that’s where I am.

 

Last season I was “… Vestergaard is one of our worst ever signings”, but after this season I just don’t know. How can you read anything based on a judgement of last season: Amartey ahead of Soyuncu and Jannik, Ward ahead of Iversen, Tielemans as captain etc. etc.

 

Jannik Vestergaard may not be what we need if we get back to the PL, but you can’t read anything into his previous performances with us. Maybe his 72 odd appearances there with Southampton are a better barometer? 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Qwerty said:

Agree.

Vestergard just isn't good enough for the PL.  He wasn't last year and he won't be next year.

Ndidi definitely.

Vardy still has moments of brilliance so I'd love to keep him on a one year extension, but it would be madness for his salary to stay high. 

So you base Vestergaard as not being good enough for the Premiership on the about 2 appearances he made under the dunderhead of a manager like Rodgers last year?  I wonder how on earth he'd coped previously as captain of Munchengladbach, Southampton and his national side 🤔. 

 

It just might be that if he continued to be played to his strengths, whilst admittedly not being a prime Virgil VanDyke, he may just prove to be a lot better than some of the other mediocre centre halves in the Premiership? 

[Bert]

5 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

What he was on or what his new contract is now? If it's true then perhaps you can provenance it so we can evaluate the source? Or is it just well known because it's a story that's been passed around and talked about a lot?

What he was on… it was £60k a week. 
 

It’s true, and that’s all you need to know. 

[Qwerty]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

There is obviously more to consider with Vestergard, such as if he even wants to sign a new contract, but the pedant in me needs to point out that he made 0 league appearances last year as Brendan went through his bizarre process of freezing out Central Defenders.  We don't know if a well coached Jannik + others would have been better than throwing Daniel Amartey in a role he didn't have the skills to manage. We shouldn't judge Vestergard on last year, nor blame our relegation on him.

True, he wasn’t given a chance.  But I’m pretty sure I recall him making some mistakes when he did play.  There must have been a reason everyone’s heart sank when he walked on the pitch.  But then again, if he was having to play with Amartey…..    

It’s his lack of pace that worries me. 

[HighPeakFox]

47 minutes ago, Bert said:

What he was on… it was £60k a week. 
 

It’s true, and that’s all you need to know. 

Case closed then. 

 

No offence Bert, but that's not evidence. 

[bmt]

I think a Vestergaard renewal is a no-brainer now. I happen to think our current style would work well against half the prem. In the other games where we will have to change it up I would pick someone else though, whether that's a new signing or if Nelson or someone else step up I don't know.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

There is obviously more to consider with Vestergard, such as if he even wants to sign a new contract, but the pedant in me needs to point out that he made 0 league appearances last year as Brendan went through his bizarre process of freezing out Central Defenders.  We don't know if a well coached Jannik + others would have been better than throwing Daniel Amartey in a role he didn't have the skills to manage. We shouldn't judge Vestergard on last year, nor blame our relegation on him.

I have said before in relation to other players, I’m not sure you can really judge anyone who either came into the club (Daka/Vestergard) or into the team from the academy (Thomas) after the covid lockdown properly as this is when Rodgers first started destruction mode. I always felt we needed to see some of these guys under a fresh environment and new management and sure enough, look at Daka and Vestergard who have been given the chance. Thomas was different as he doesn’t fit the style but who knows for example, about Soumare? I mean I’m happy to see him shipped out in the summer if Enzo has his own targets but it just makes me wonder if he could have worked with Soumare…

[Bert]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Case closed then. 

 

No offence Bert, but that's not evidence. 

Alright it was from the player himself. How’s that? 
 

Problem with this place is, even if people said their “source” other people who know nothing obviously  know better and would just discredit it as untrue. 
 

It’s true. Take it for what it is. If you don’t want to then don’t, but don’t then bother harping on about things around the same subject. You’re never ever going to get anyone reveal who tells them things from their “inside circle” (and that’s not me saying I’m in one) it just doesn’t work like that. 

[HighPeakFox]

4 hours ago, Bert said:

Alright it was from the player himself. How’s that? 
 

Problem with this place is, even if people said their “source” other people who know nothing obviously  know better and would just discredit it as untrue. 
 

It’s true. Take it for what it is. If you don’t want to then don’t, but don’t then bother harping on about things around the same subject. You’re never ever going to get anyone reveal who tells them things from their “inside circle” (and that’s not me saying I’m in one) it just doesn’t work like that. 

Quite a lot to unpack here Bert.

 

First of all, on a personal basis, I have no reason not to believe you.

 

I think saying 'the problem with this place' is that it is pretty normal and understandable that people might be watchful or sceptical - the point you make about others that know nothing isn't really the point. Just because they definitely know nothing doesn't mean the source in question (you in this case, but I'm trying not to make it personal) definitely know everything. I think when people claim to know something that really should be the 3rd party's own business, the burden of proof/truth should not be on those being passed the information.

 

I think your point about 'harping on' is general rather than aimed at me, because I certainly don't on this subject. I am happy to believe what you say to be true. If you're close enough to Hamza that he told you this (unless you were saying it just to make a point), then you must know him quite well (unless he's rather indiscriminate - not impossible I accept), and just to play Devil's Advocate, if you are mates with him, presumably he's told you all the details of his recent driving mishap.....

 

I accept what you say about revealing sources, but the quid pro quo to that is that you're asking everyone to accept you're speaking in good faith without actually knowing you, and that, on an internet forum, is not realistic.