Cooper - OUT

[markko]

15 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

You thought we played reasonably well? Really. A win's a win but Bournemouth were awful and still cut us open time and again whilst we offered very little going forward.

They are not a bad side. They are better than we are at the moment. We have to restablish ourselves in this league. If you could get 16th now would you take it? I would. You may say negative. I say realistic.

[leicsmac]

Just now, deep blue said:

If, 2 years ago, we'd lost an extra game early on and that had prompted the board to replace Rodgers then, as long as the replacement was a little bit competent, the gain over the rest of the season would have been much more than the 3 points lost and would have kept us in the Prem.

 

So no, the comments on this thread aren't nonsense, but are based on the evidence of our performances and on the analytical abilities of fans who have followed Leicester for years and can see in which direction things are going.  On the basis of the performances so far, and the match choices made by Cooper, we will be very lucky to avoid relegation if he is kept on.

 

We're you one of those who ignored what you could see happening 2 years ago and wanted Rodgers to be given more time and chance after chance until it was too late?

If we're being scientific about it, however, it can be reasonably thought there are too many variables that alter between such situations as the Rodgers era and the present one, numerous elements aren't being controlled for, and thereby it's rather tricky for contributors to use such past situations to craft any kind of working hypothesis.

 

Certainly when such a hypothesis involves the club missing out on points in the hope that more points will be gathered later as a result.

 

There is no analysis here, it's merely educated guesswork, which tbf is the same all around in such a field and why such things should always be qualified as such.

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

There was also a VAR decision that went against us today.

For their goal it was a clear as day offside, not a debatable armpit hair close decision. 
Then we had a clear penalty turned down by both the ref and VAR.

We also had some very good chances today. 
Can we just be happy we got three points?

You can be dissatisfied even if you win. 
 

That game was made 100 times harder because of Cooper’s decision making and complete tactical knowledge. 
 

I know we’re in a different league, but this team has lost all ability to play football…. That is not an ability thing, this is a coaching problem. Defending for your lives is not being “set up”, it’s just throwing bodies in front of balls hoping not to concede, and this is not sustainable and at some point will stop working.  
 

There were bits today that were good, but they largely came from Mavididi and Buonanotte’s individual brilliance rather than a collective team work. 
 

We had chances, but come on, Bournemouth will be coming off that pitch wondering how they came away with nothing, their finishing was poor, a more clinical team would have won. 
 

The results are papering over the cracks, the argument that we’ve not been stuffed is all well and good, but we’ve hardly been convincing either. 
 

The argument is that this team is not as bad as it looks on the pitch, there are some good technical players in that side, and anyone who thinks otherwise just needs to look at when things do click, it looks good. 
 

The team is poorly coached, poorly set up and lacks any kind of creative management. Cooper was appointed for damage limitation, that’s no longer an issue, yes he is still managing the team like this, it’s horrible and it will not keep us up. 
 

We need a manager who’s going to be braver, and who has more tactical knowledge about him. Cooper just hasn’t got it, and all this victory does it further paper over the cracks in his ideology (or lack of)…

 

So in answer to your question no, I’m still not happy even with three points. 

Edited 5 October 2024 by Pliskin

[kingpower]

Im even more Cooper out after today. Thankful we got the 3 points but Lady Luck was shining down on us and that second half was like watching a League 1 side at home hang on for an FA Cup third round replay against a Prem side 

[kenny]

32 minutes ago, markko said:

I am doubting myself. I walked home and I could have sworn we won the game and that we played reasonably well and battled hard. It must have been a mirage. Get him out, we will never win a game. He is this that and the other. Filbert the fox could do better etc. I know he is not popular but we are a bottom 3-5 side and it is not going to be easy. We are doing okay. KTF.

Is Filbert available?

 

If his release clause doesn't mess up PSR I'd go with that. Cooper can be the mascot.

[markko]

1 minute ago, kenny said:

Is Filbert available?

 

If his release clause doesn't mess up PSR I'd go with that. Cooper can be the mascot.

Apparently he does have a release clause, which the club won't meet!!

[FoxTimmy2]

Very poor man management in the second half.

[markko]

13 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

You can be dissatisfied even if you win. 
 

That game was made 100 times harder because of Cooper’s decision making and complete tactical knowledge. 
 

I know we’re in a different league, but this team has lost all ability to play football…. That is not an ability thing, this is a coaching problem. Defending for your lives is not being “set up”, it’s just throwing bodies in front of balls hoping not to concede, and this is not sustainable and at some point will stop working.  
 

There were bits today that were good, but they largely came from Mavididi and Buonanotte’s individual brilliance rather than a collective team work. 
 

We had chances, but come on, Bournemouth will be coming off that pitch wondering how they came away with nothing, their finishing was poor, a more clinical team would have won. 
 

The results are papering over the cracks, the argument that we’ve not been stuffed is all well and good, but we’ve hardly been convincing either. 
 

The argument is that this team is not as bad as it looks on the pitch, there are some good technical players in that side, and anyone who thinks otherwise just needs to look at when things do click, it looks good. 
 

The team is poorly coached, poorly set up and lacks any kind of creative management. Cooper was appointed for damage limitation, that’s no longer an issue, yes he is still managing the team like this, it’s horrible and it will not keep us up. 
 

We need a manager who’s going to be braver, and who has more tactical knowledge about him. Cooper just hasn’t got it, and all this victory does it further paper over the cracks in his ideology (or lack of)…

 

So in answer to your question no, I’m still not happy even with three points. 

I am wondering why the club did not move for you in the summer. We would probably challenging for top 4 by now!

[FrankieADZ]

2 hours ago, safetosurfthisbeach said:

Some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous.

I suspect some of you wanting Cooper out secretly want us to lose so as to hasten his departure.

I'm embarrassed to be a Leicester fan sometimes. 

tbf i get embarrassed by ones who say stuff like "we are in league 1 in 2008"etc

 

and no we dont want to see our team lose, no leicester fan does; 

 

if you cant see how tactically limited he is, has awful awful game awareness as well and man management, then my word

cos just about most in the ground could tell we needed changed around 60min but he didnt do any till the 74min, many of us are also wondering why Ayew is starting, nothing against the guy but he doesnt have an impact like Fatawu does

 

 

Edited 5 October 2024 by FrankieADZ

[Beachyboy]

It's hard to think of many times in the last 3 years we haven't had a manager out thread, been pretty ongoing since about October 2021 now, even last season.

Edited 5 October 2024 by Beachyboy

[markko]

4 minutes ago, FoxTimmy2 said:

Very poor man management in the second half.

I  agree with you about that. We had Fatawu and Pereira on the bench. Winks also. We get Eduard, Bobby Reid and Soumare. I know Fatawu came on. I am baffled by Pereira not being included.

[cropstonfox]

 

30 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

If we're being scientific about it, however, it can be reasonably thought there are too many variables that alter between such situations as the Rodgers era and the present one, numerous elements aren't being controlled for, and thereby it's rather tricky for contributors to use such past situations to craft any kind of working hypothesis.

 

Certainly when such a hypothesis involves the club missing out on points in the hope that more points will be gathered later as a result.

 

There is no analysis here, it's merely educated guesswork, which tbf is the same all around in such a field and why such things should always be qualified as such.

Absolute gobbledygook.

In my opinion as a statistician!

 

[foxile5]

5 minutes ago, markko said:

I  agree with you about that. We had Fatawu and Pereira on the bench. Winks also. We get Eduard, Bobby Reid and Soumare. I know Fatawu came on. I am baffled by Pereira not being included.

Yes this is excellent.

 

The substitutions were extremely poor. At full time we had an attacking quartet of Eduardo, De Cordova-Reid, Fatuwu, and Soumare.

 

Three of those shouldn't have been on. 

 

Winks for Ndidi would have made sense. Pererai for Justin.

 

Both had been booked and we were under the cosh.

[markko]

1 minute ago, foxile5 said:

Yes this is excellent.

 

The substitutions were extremely poor. At full time we had an attacking quartet of Eduardo, De Cordova-Reid, Fatuwu, and Soumare.

 

Three of those shouldn't have been on. 

 

Winks for Ndidi would have made sense. Pererai for Justin.

 

Both had been booked and we were under the cosh.

Ricky P. I don't get it. He is a good player and yet has not had a minute in the league. He has been captain in cup (I think). 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

 

Absolute gobbledygook.

In my opinion as a statistician!

 

Fair enough.

 

Just have an issue with people passing off opinion, educated projection and guesswork as fact. I see enough of that in much more seriously consequential fields.

[ARTY_FOX]

Second half was a honking watch but we got over the line. 

 

Glimpses of decent football. 

[Illusion35]

 I was at the game. I’m pleased Leicester won. I always want them to win. I’ve replayed the goal lots of times since getting home!
 

But I’m still Cooper out. Players running about like headless chickens in the second half. Don’t look like they have been coached into any particular system, just desperate defending and hoping not to concede. Giving the ball away over and over. Very poor game management again - was like he was just waiting for them to score before doing anything. Doesn’t appear to be instructing from the sideline much either . Very odd substitutions, when there were better players on the bench and tired players on the pitch. He just isn’t for me and I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. 

[cropstonfox]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Fair enough.

 

Just have an issue with people passing off opinion, educated projection and guesswork as fact. I see enough of that in much more seriously consequential fields.

Not personal,agree

Often opinions are passed off as facts.

Keep enjoying the banter.

[murphy]

1 hour ago, markko said:

I am doubting myself. I walked home and I could have sworn we won the game and that we played reasonably well and battled hard. It must have been a mirage. Get him out, we will never win a game. He is this that and the other. Filbert the fox could do better etc. I know he is not popular but we are a bottom 3-5 side and it is not going to be easy. We are doing okay. KTF.

How do you know we are a bottom 3-5 side?  We just play like we are because cooper is terrified of every opposition he comes up against. 

 

I think that we should remember that we won the championship and we are here on merit and instill some belief into the side. 

[cropstonfox]

8 minutes ago, markko said:

Ricky P. I don't get it. He is a good player and yet has not had a minute in the league. He has been captain in cup (I think). 

He got the extended contract,based on loyalty and us being a good club

He has been ruined by injuries and  cannot play regularly if at all at this level.

Steve Cooper would love to have a player

 like Rickey pre injuries at his disposal.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

4 minutes ago, Illusion35 said:

 I was at the game. I’m pleased Leicester won. I always want them to win. I’ve replayed the goal lots of times since getting home!
 

But I’m still Cooper out. Players running about like headless chickens in the second half. Don’t look like they have been coached into any particular system, just desperate defending and hoping not to concede. Giving the ball away over and over. Very poor game management again - was like he was just waiting for them to score before doing anything. Doesn’t appear to be instructing from the sideline much either . Very odd substitutions, when there were better players on the bench and tired players on the pitch. He just isn’t for me and I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. 

Been told by some that during the game Faes quite bizarrely was indicating to the bench for around 5mins to make a substitution and Cooper just looked like he didn't know what to do

[murphy]

16 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Yes this is excellent.

 

The substitutions were extremely poor. At full time we had an attacking quartet of Eduardo, De Cordova-Reid, Fatuwu, and Soumare.

 

Three of those shouldn't have been on. 

 

Winks for Ndidi would have made sense. Pererai for Justin.

 

Both had been booked and we were under the cosh.

He has not learned from the palace debacle.  If he insists on parking the bus, then there must be some counter-attacking threat, ie pace, to at least keep some of the opposition occupied and not to just keep pouring forward. 

[markko]

5 minutes ago, murphy said:

How do you know we are a bottom 3-5 side?  We just play like we are because cooper is terrified of every opposition he comes up against. 

 

I think that we should remember that we won the championship and we are here on merit and instill some belief into the side. 

We have just got promoted. We are not established. There is a gulf we have to bridge. Burnley won it season before and went down.

[Paninistickers]

Those subs. The (lack of) timing of the subs. The refusal team change shape in the face of an opponent who'd changed HALF of their outfield players and changed formation and tactics..

 

I remember wondering - without too.much hyperbole - when Rodgers was at his worst, whether Rodgers was well. I'm starting to ask the same about Cooper. Is he unwell? Surely professional wouldn't be stuck in such decision paralysis 

 

Edit to add; Pearson lost his marbles on four occasions that I can count, Ostrich, F Off and die, MacArthur and heart failure at Burnley away I think in the promotion season. Pressure does odd things to people 

Edited 5 October 2024 by Paninistickers

[markko]

4 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

He got the extended contract,based on loyalty and us being a good club

He has been ruined by injuries and  cannot play regularly if at all at this level.

Steve Cooper would love to have a player

 like Rickey pre injuries at his disposal.

I am.not sure about that. Try and convince me he is not better than Soumare and Bobby? Soumare look knackered tying his bootlace!