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Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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36 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

I’ve only just seen it’s Jenrick v Badenoch lol 

 

Like when Portsmouth played Cardiff in the FA Cup final. 

I was thinking that the way things were going this government would be a one term government, but maybe not.

bovril

bovril

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3 hours ago, jgtuk said:

In any case, they should all know better than to invite such controversy, especially after calling out the previous administration for their shady dealings. 

purity spiral politics

Tommy G

Tommy G

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33 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I was thinking that the way things were going this government would be a one term government, but maybe not.

I think whoever is made leader out of the two won't be leader come the next election anyway. Party leaders have a limited lifespan. I think the current lot have already p*ssed off the elderly, I'll wait for the fallout of the budget - and unless they are successful over the next few years they will be out due to lack of popularity, just look at what has just happened to the conservatives. 

 

Labour aren't popular, they received a lower vote share than any party forming a post war majority government - look at the opinon polls already 100 days in? It won't need to be a massive success of any opposition to get in next time, in fact the tactic would be to watch the self implosion. 

ajthefox

ajthefox

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1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

I think whoever is made leader out of the two won't be leader come the next election anyway. Party leaders have a limited lifespan. I think the current lot have already p*ssed off the elderly, I'll wait for the fallout of the budget - and unless they are successful over the next few years they will be out due to lack of popularity, just look at what has just happened to the conservatives. 

 

Labour aren't popular, they received a lower vote share than any party forming a post war majority government - look at the opinon polls already 100 days in? It won't need to be a massive success of any opposition to get in next time, in fact the tactic would be to watch the self implosion. 

You say all that but 4 years is a long time in politics, at least in the context of the amount of change we have experienced in recent years.

Tommy G

Tommy G

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8 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

You say all that but 4 years is a long time in politics, at least in the context of the amount of change we have experienced in recent years.

Agreed - but I think my first point stands, whoever becomes leader will just be the warm up act for a few years time 

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bovril

bovril

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I don't really follow these things that closely but why is Badenoch seen as a really bad candidate? I don't think she's especially bright but she seems quite normal compared to e.g. Truss or Johnson and says a lot of things that seem popular across the country. 

Zear0

Zear0

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1 minute ago, bovril said:

I don't really follow these things that closely but why is Badenoch seen as a really bad candidate? I don't think she's especially bright but she seems quite normal compared to e.g. Truss or Johnson and says a lot of things that seem popular across the country. 

Culture war nut

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Sampson

Sampson

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4 minutes ago, bovril said:

I don't really follow these things that closely but why is Badenoch seen as a really bad candidate? I don't think she's especially bright but she seems quite normal compared to e.g. Truss or Johnson and says a lot of things that seem popular across the country. 

Quite normal? She’s Farage without the charisma who just tries to say immigration and identity politics are to blame for everything and offers easy answers. Remember in the last leadership election she was quoting Truss herself with the endless repetitions  of “the zero sum game of identity politics” being her favourite catch phrase.

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bovril

bovril

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2 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Quite normal? She’s Farage without the charisma who just tries to say immigration and identity politics are to blame for everything and offers easy answers. 

isn't that like half the electorate now 

Sampson

Sampson

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3 minutes ago, bovril said:

isn't that like half the electorate now 

Nah. It’s like 15-20% of the electorate but they have an enormously big voice in the media and are not particularly shy about their views so it seems like it’s more.

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bovril

bovril

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16 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Culture war nut

I fully expect her to lean into the whole "wow disagreeing with a WOC, not a good look yeah"

izzymuzzet

izzymuzzet

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1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Lenders spooked ahead of an uncertain budget. Fiscal loosening will push rates up, misery for the homeowner etc etc 

Feels like a short term blip to me. The medium term trajectory of interest rates is downwards. My guess is the BoE base rate will be lower in six months than it is now.

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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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1 hour ago, bovril said:

I don't really follow these things that closely but why is Badenoch seen as a really bad candidate? I don't think she's especially bright but she seems quite normal compared to e.g. Truss or Johnson and says a lot of things that seem popular across the country. 

She was caught out in multiple lies before the election on various things. She doesn't seem to care about procedure or accountability, and has expressed some pretty batshit opinions on things we all take for granted, like maternity pay. She's anti-worker and pro-anything businesses want to do. She's a Johnson/Trump type conservative.

 

Here she is last year being caught out by Hoyle:

 

 

 

She will be an utter humiliation as leader, as will Jenrick, which is why I'm pretty happy...

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Harpenden Fox

Harpenden Fox

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1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Nah. It’s like 15-20% of the electorate but they have an enormously big voice in the media and are not particularly shy about their views so it seems like it’s more.

This is one of the most accurate summaries of where we’re at that I’ve seen in years 

bovril

bovril

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9 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

She was caught out in multiple lies before the election on various things. She doesn't seem to care about procedure or accountability, and has expressed some pretty batshit opinions on things we all take for granted, like maternity pay. She's anti-worker and pro-anything businesses want to do. She's a Johnson/Trump type conservative.

 

Here she is last year being caught out by Hoyle:

 

 

 

She will be an utter humiliation as leader, as will Jenrick, which is why I'm pretty happy...

Thanks. I genuinely didn't know much about her other than she appears to be quite popular amongst conservatives and the couple of times I'd seen her speak she seemed like a decent enough communicator compared to the last two leaders. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Nah. It’s like 15-20% of the electorate but they have an enormously big voice in the media and are not particularly shy about their views so it seems like it’s more.

 

7 minutes ago, Harpenden Fox said:

This is one of the most accurate summaries of where we’re at that I’ve seen in years 

Here's hoping that thanks to savvy media manipulation and playing to prejudices in difficult times that percentage doesn't become high enough to really shape policy decisions.

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bovril

bovril

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

 

Here's hoping that thanks to savvy media manipulation and playing to prejudices in difficult times that percentage doesn't become high enough to really shape policy decisions.

I have some news for you.

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