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[jgtuk]

10 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

https://www.thejc.com/news/labours-jeremy-corbyn-why-i-called-hamas-our-friends-jag6fwha

[jgtuk]

14 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Was jezza ever a ‘friend ‘ of Hezbollah ??

"MP Jeremy Corbyn has explained why he described Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends” during a parliamentary meeting on the Middle East.

The Labour leadership candidate said he had used the term in a "collective way" but insisted he does not agree with what either organisation does.

"There is not going to be a peace process unless there is talks involving Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas and I think everyone knows that," he told Channel Four News."

 

*from The Jewish Chronicle

[ozleicester]

1 minute ago, jgtuk said:

"MP Jeremy Corbyn has explained why he described Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends” during a parliamentary meeting on the Middle East.

The Labour leadership candidate said he had used the term in a "collective way" but insisted he does not agree with what either organisation does.

"There is not going to be a peace process unless there is talks involving Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas and I think everyone knows that," he told Channel Four News."

 

*from The Jewish Chronicle

get out... coming here with your common sense 

[st albans fox]

50 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

get out... coming here with your common sense 

Why hasn’t anyone suggested talks with ISIS ? 

 

surely they can be our friends too ?

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Why hasn’t anyone suggested talks with ISIS ? 

 

surely they can be our friends too ?

ISIS (and for that matter Hezbollah) aren't targetting UN infrastructure and personnel at this time, though.

 

And on that matter...

 

On 11/10/2024 at 17:00, leicsmac said:

I wonder how much of that is their problem and how much is the Lebanese army being ineffective, given the lack of enforcing power UNIFIL have? But yes, fair point.

 

Also with all of that said, deliberately targeting UN facilities because they didn't keep guns and fighters out of an area (even if they had the power to do so) comes right under the heading of "disproportionate response" (with a side helping of "bugger off so we can cleanse this area with fire regardless of who's on the way and not look too bad doing it"), which is of course an Israeli speciality.

Oh hey, that's exactly what Bibi has come out with today. Dressed up in fancier words, of course.

Edited 13 October 2024 by leicsmac

[wurmer]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

ISIS (and for that matter Hezbollah) aren't targetting UN infrastructure and personnel at this time, though.

 

And on that matter...

 

Oh hey, that's exactly what Bibi has come out with today. Dressed up in fancier words, of course.

Yep, their behaviour is a disgrace.

[Wymsey]

Looking at Alex Salmond's final meeting moments before his death, as seen on Sky News, you can't see anything hint at all that he was about to die - although thought he looked quite pale.

[bovril]

On 11/10/2024 at 18:43, Robo61 said:

I consider myself pretty clued up on politics and government, but would say I still wasn't sufficiently knowledgable on EU to cast a meaningfull vote on the UK's membership.  So if you think 67% of voters knew what leaving EU would mean to the UK, you are living in cloud cuckoo land🤣🤣

It wasn't that complicated though was it. If you leave the single market it's harder to export and import from the EU and you can't live in EU countries without a visa.

 

Unlike you I am definitely not clued up on politics and especially not the economy but I thought it was possibly the simplest political question of my lifetime. 

[st albans fox]

Some chat that the USA are installing THAAD units in israel

 

this weapon is primarily for intercepting ballistic missiles as they re enter the atmosphere and drop quickly towards their target. 

video from iran’s recent attack show many explosions near nevatim airbase as missiles fall quickly to ground 

 

we don’t know if these were left by Israel because they weren’t picked by defence systems to be headed towards somewhere important or if Isreal’s systems were overwhelmed and unable to intercept them. 
 

you could maybe take the instalment of THAAD as indicative of the latter and therefore have Israel accepted they won’t strike Iranian nuclear sites (and perhaps will only strike what the Americans will agree with)  in Iran in exchange for the defensive systems being sent there. 
 

there is a possible explanation that the Americans want to test their system in real warfare situation 

Edited 13 October 2024 by st albans fox

[Robo61]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

It wasn't that complicated though was it. If you leave the single market it's harder to export and import from the EU and you can't live in EU countries without a visa.

 

Unlike you I am definitely not clued up on politics and especially not the economy but I thought it was possibly the simplest political question of my lifetime. 

You are clued up more that you think, the vast majority of people have little interest in politics these days and would certainly not post on forums such as this. I really dont think they had any idea what leaving the single market would mean, but if course they were sold the lie that we could stay in the SM, but leave the EU.

[Super_horns]

Another potential Trump assassin  stopped in his tracks apparently. 

[Sampson]

5 hours ago, bovril said:

It wasn't that complicated though was it. If you leave the single market it's harder to export and import from the EU and you can't live in EU countries without a visa.

 

Unlike you I am definitely not clued up on politics and especially not the economy but I thought it was possibly the simplest political question of my lifetime. 

Except even Farage was selling campaigning as us becoming like Norway (who still have freedom of movement but not freedom of goods) in the lead up to the referendum and Boris campaigned saying UK citizens would still be able to go through the EU passport controls booths at airports after Brexit. I think it was yourself who said recently most of us seem to have blocked out what some of the pre-referendum campaigning actually was like (another one I remember were billboards about 80million Turkish people coming to the UK even though Turkey has zero chance of ever joining the EU while Erdogan is in charge).

 

All the “Brexit means Brexit” stuff only came afterwards. In fact many of the leaver’s arguments even from the likes of Farage, Johnson, Gove and other big names of vote Leave during the referendum were that the plan was just to become like Norway, Switzerland or Iceland and probably still stay in the EEA if we left.

[Zear0]

22 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Just his Norwich City supporting mate is all.

[bovril]

7 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Except even Farage was selling campaigning as us becoming like Norway (who still have freedom of movement but not freedom of goods) in the lead up to the referendum and Boris campaigned saying UK citizens would still be able to go through the EU passport controls booths at airports after Brexit. I think it was yourself who said recently most of us seem to have blocked out what some of the pre-referendum campaigning actually was like (another one I remember were billboards about 80million Turkish people coming to the UK even though Turkey has zero chance of ever joining the EU while Erdogan is in charge).

 

All the “Brexit means Brexit” stuff only came afterwards. In fact many of the leaver’s arguments even from the likes of Farage, Johnson, Gove and other big names of vote Leave during the referendum were that the plan was just to become like Norway, Switzerland or Iceland and probably still stay in the EEA if we left.

I remember them saying stuff like that and it was rather surreal watching from abroad those kind of claims when people were also saying they wanted to stop Eastern Europeans coming here and for us to "trade with the World", which obviously precluded some kind of soft Brexit. 

 

Maybe it was complex for some of people, but I don't think there have been any consequences that weren't relatively obvious at the time apart from the Covid response from 2021 onwards which I think possibly was helped by us being outside the EU. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

16 hours ago, leicsmac said:

ISIS (and for that matter Hezbollah) aren't targetting UN infrastructure and personnel at this time, though.

 

And on that matter...

 

Oh hey, that's exactly what Bibi has come out with today. Dressed up in fancier words, of course.

I know exactly what you’re saying but you’ve got to remember you’re communicating with someone who wrote paragraphs only a few pages back suggesting the Palestinians just got up and left in 1948 but chose to ignore the massive **** off elephant that occurred between 1947-1949 which included psychological, sexual and chemical warfare and multiple mass killings against them. If someone is going to ignore that, believe me, Bibi being a murderer ain’t going to hit. the words brick wall and talk come to mind. 

[leicsmac]

32 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I know exactly what you’re saying but you’ve got to remember you’re communicating with someone who wrote paragraphs only a few pages back suggesting the Palestinians just got up and left in 1948 but chose to ignore the massive **** off elephant that occurred between 1947-1949 which included psychological, sexual and chemical warfare and multiple mass killings against them. If someone is going to ignore that, believe me, Bibi being a murderer ain’t going to hit. the words brick wall and talk come to mind. 

I get where you're coming from here.

 

However, making direct assertions about someone's character wrt politics, accurate or not, is the reason Mark has almost had it with Gen Chat and why we're all probably on our final warning.

 

You can be passionate and you can be right - goodness knows I myself can be abrupt on science related matters and threads - but the discourse here has to stay cordial or it isn't going to happen anymore.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

I get where you're coming from here.

 

However, making direct assertions about someone's character wrt politics, accurate or not, is the reason Mark has almost had it with Gen Chat and why we're all probably on our final warning.

 

You can be passionate and you can be right - goodness knows I myself can be abrupt on science related matters and threads - but the discourse here has to stay cordial or it isn't going to happen anymore.

People read and interpret in line with their base point. Nothing written in here is going to change that. id like to think that some may appreciate another perspective a little more than they had in the past - not much else. 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

People read and interpret in line with their base point. Nothing written in here is going to change that. id like to think that some may appreciate another perspective a little more than they had in the past - not much else. 

Fair to say.

 

I have read on here that people have changed viewpoints based on what has been written though, as rare as it may seem.

[Tommy G]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/12/eton-among-elite-private-schools-set-to-cash-in-on-windfall-from-new-vat-rules

 

Another ill thought out policy going from bad to worse, coupled with the exodous from private schools being double compared to what was initially expected.

 

So net net, this is looking like it will cost the Government more money than it will actually generate. The Guardian is even turning on them!

[Wymsey]

The Salisbury incident only feels like yesterday..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjr3gxjqej8t

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/12/eton-among-elite-private-schools-set-to-cash-in-on-windfall-from-new-vat-rules

 

Another ill thought out policy going from bad to worse, coupled with the exodous from private schools being double compared to what was initially expected.

 

So net net, this is looking like it will cost the Government more money than it will actually generate. The Guardian is even turning on them!

Wars, even class wars, cost money it seems.

[Greg2607]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/12/eton-among-elite-private-schools-set-to-cash-in-on-windfall-from-new-vat-rules

 

Another ill thought out policy going from bad to worse, coupled with the exodous from private schools being double compared to what was initially expected.

 

So net net, this is looking like it will cost the Government more money than it will actually generate. The Guardian is even turning on them!

As an accountant, can you explain to me how they can claim back VAT for capital expenditure, when they weren't VAT Registered when making that  capital expenditure in the first place? I don't doubt it's probably right.. It just seems like a very quirky way to operate for our Tax regime... 

[SecretPro]

The actions of Israel cannot now be justified by a sane human being.

[Tommy G]

26 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

As an accountant, can you explain to me how they can claim back VAT for capital expenditure, when they weren't VAT Registered when making that  capital expenditure in the first place? I don't doubt it's probably right.. It just seems like a very quirky way to operate for our Tax regime... 

These aren't new rules, these are the rules for the Capital Goods scheme which have been around for ages. 

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/capital-goods-scheme-notice-7062#vat-incurred-before-registration

 

Para 13 if you're really bored. 

[MPH]

On 13/10/2024 at 05:59, jgtuk said:

https://www.thejc.com/news/labours-jeremy-corbyn-why-i-called-hamas-our-friends-jag6fwha

 

having read that article I can still say that he’s tried to backtrack but failed to do so. It was still a mistake to call them that.