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The Horse's Mouth

The Horse's Mouth

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51 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Musk appointed head of Department of Government Efficient (doge).

 

I'm sure this will be all okay for the general American public. 

I think he’ll make it more efficient, my worry is trumps appointed a few too many neocons for my liking 

Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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4 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Musk appointed head of Department of Government Efficient (doge).

 

I'm sure this will be all okay for the general American public. 

As long as they don't have self driving cars, they will be fine. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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5 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Musk appointed head of Department of Government Efficient (doge).

 

I'm sure this will be all okay for the general American public. 

 

4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I think he’ll make it more efficient, my worry is trumps appointed a few too many neocons for my liking 

It'll be darkly fascinating to see just how more socially unequal the US can be made than it is already (it's already a developed world leader in that regard) over the next four years - as well as the human life and suffering cost - sorry, "collateral damage in the name of efficiency" - that it will take to acheive it.

 

Still, at least Musk will get mostly free rein for getting SpaceX where it needs to go.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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Oh, and the American history of hundreds of crashed planes, polluted waterways and countless dead bodies before the establishment of government agencies to help clearly shows companies cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.

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Jon the Hat

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2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Oh, and the American history of hundreds of crashed planes, polluted waterways and countless dead bodies before the establishment of government agencies to help clearly shows companies cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.

They have an awful history of poor regulation that is for sure.  I think we can rely on Musk getting this wrong.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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14 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

They have an awful history of poor regulation that is for sure.  I think we can rely on Musk getting this wrong.

Yeah.

 

Yet again it's just sadly unfortunate what the cost of such hubris in the name of "freedom" will be.

 

But then I guess when you put a price on other life at all (not ones own, clearly), you clearly already view it as so dispensable that that price will be low anyway.

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chuck'em

chuck'em

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6 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Musk appointed head of Department of Government Efficient (doge).

 

I'm sure this will be all okay for the general American public. 

Surprised he's not insisted it's called Department X tbh

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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Found elsewhere, relevant to current topic of regulation and economics:

 

Here's how rollbacks hit home and impact the daily lives of the average American:

Dirtier Air and Water: Looser pollution controls mean more toxins in the air you breathe and water you drink. This translates to more respiratory issues like asthma, especially in kids, and higher risks of cancer and heart disease over time. You pay the price in higher healthcare costs and sick days off work.

Polluted Food and Soil: With fewer pesticide restrictions, chemicals make their way into crops, which means the food at your grocery store could carry more residue linked to health risks. Drinking water may have higher levels of toxins, and nearby rivers and lakes are more likely to be contaminated, limiting where you can safely fish, swim, or let your kids play.

Higher Household Costs: By halting energy efficiency standards, appliances use more energy, driving up utility bills. When companies can dump waste in nearby areas without paying cleanup fees, taxpayers (that’s you) end up footing the bill. Pollution cleanup, water treatment, and related healthcare costs often get passed down in the form of higher local and state taxes.

Degraded Wildlife and Natural Spaces: Less protection for national parks and refuges means fewer safe areas for you and your family to enjoy outdoors. This affects local economies, too—parks and clean lakes bring tourism dollars and jobs. Oil and gas drilling on public lands erodes recreational spots and wildlife, ultimately limiting the quality of spaces where you’d hike, camp, or vacation.

Increased Health Risks: With rollbacks on toxic chemical regulations, more harmful substances are around you—think of pesticides in your food, lead pipes in your water, and chemicals in the air around industrial sites. Long-term exposure means higher risks of diseases, especially for children and seniors, who are more vulnerable to pollutants.

Less Support for Sustainable Jobs and Clean Energy: By gutting programs that promote clean energy and sustainable practices, there’s less investment in green jobs and innovation that could keep energy prices down. This leaves the U.S. dependent on polluting industries, while other countries move ahead with greener tech.

Financial Hits from Climate Change: By ignoring climate targets, the administration left the U.S. more vulnerable to extreme weather, which has been ramping up in frequency and intensity. This means more tax dollars needed for disaster relief and higher insurance premiums as flooding, hurricanes, and wildfires increase.

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Innovindil

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8 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Musk appointed head of Department of Government Efficient (doge).

 

I'm sure this will be all okay for the general American public. 

Appointed co-head, because somehow, the department for efficiency needs 2. lol

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the fox

the fox

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John ratcliff-CIA director

Kristi neom-secretary of homeland security 

Marco rubio-secretary of state

Pete hegseth-secretary of defense

Stephen Miller-deputy chief of staff

Elise stefanik-US ambassador to the UN

Brian hook-head of the state department transition team

 

Quiete the selection.

 

Edit: also: Lee zeldin and Mike Walz 

 

 

 

 

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The Horse's Mouth

The Horse's Mouth

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With Trump looking to enact term limits on senators made me think if term limits could work for us. Don’t think it would work as an elected MP but I like the idea of it for cabinet positions. People like Ed miliband, Jeremy Hunt that ilk that should’ve been gutted from our political consciousness ages ago, would be nice to bring something like that in.

Jattdogg

Jattdogg

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1 hour ago, the fox said:

John ratcliff-CIA director

Kristi neom-secretary of homeland security 

Marco rubio-secretary of state

Pete hegseth-secretary of defense

Stephen Miller-deputy chief of staff

Elise stefanik-US ambassador to the UN

Brian hook-head of the state department transition team

 

Quiete the selection.

 

Edit: also: Lee zeldin and Mike Walz 

 

 

 

 

Needs more colour in there lol. Guessing we will see that as he announces more of his cabinet.

Babylon

Babylon

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12 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I think he’ll make it more efficient, my worry is trumps appointed a few too many neocons for my liking 

Is this based on him sacking loads of people at Twitter and it still functioning?

 

Their revenue has dropped nearly $2 Billion in that time, the value has dropped to 25% of what he bought it for. 

 

Letting something turn into the Wild West by losing 80% of your staff and losing all your investors lots of money isn't a great look. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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6 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Hope Biden doesn't make anymore gaffes when meeting Trump later..

I'm going to be honest, that would be pretty low on the list of things to worry about on that particular matter right now.

the fox

the fox

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2 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Needs more colour in there lol. Guessing we will see that as he announces more of his cabinet.

 

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

... is anyone really expecting that?

Am pretty sure they can find a few POC to hire as long as they share the same warmongering, pro the war on Iran sentiment all the aforementioned hires share. Not a fan of the Iranian regime but what does the USA gain from going to war against another country in an already unstable region and risking WW3 (Russia has already showcased support for Iran). 

 

Edit: case in point, Vivek. 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 hour ago, the fox said:

 

Am pretty sure they can find a few POC to hire as long as they share the same warmongering, pro the war on Iran sentiment all the aforementioned hires share. Not a fan of the Iranian regime but what does the USA gain from going to war against another country in an already unstable region and risking WW3 (Russia has already showcased support for Iran). 

 

Edit: case in point, Vivek. 

Oh yeah, I'm sure they can satisfy the need for tokenism.

 

WRT Iran, I think it's just another case of War for Fun and Profit (for the right people, of course).

Lionator

Lionator

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1 hour ago, the fox said:

 

Am pretty sure they can find a few POC to hire as long as they share the same warmongering, pro the war on Iran sentiment all the aforementioned hires share. Not a fan of the Iranian regime but what does the USA gain from going to war against another country in an already unstable region and risking WW3 (Russia has already showcased support for Iran). 

 

Edit: case in point, Vivek. 

Very, very unlikely that Russia would go into bat for Iran in a war scenario. It would of course be a great day if the IRGC was overthrown even for a more pragmatic regime but obviously it’s a terrible idea and carries horribly destabilising risk. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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8 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I know RFK.jr is a complete nutter on a lot of topics, but he’s not wrong on the toxins in American food stuff is he? 

It's a case of correctly identifying the problem, but then getting the solution horribly wrong.

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