Steve Cooper SACKED! OFFICIAL!

[MPH]

36 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Surely they could buy enough quality with the £50mil to keep them up. Gets a toxic personality out of the dressing room as well.

 

same problem as us, I’d imagine.. will those quality players want to join in a relegation dog fight?

[murphy]

1 hour ago, jayfox26 said:

Yep Wolves manager bounce has gone and they are back to being shite. And seems some players like Cunha don't seem happy 

How we may live to rue that Wolves/Ward debacle.

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, Graceroad said:

Cooper got 10 points from 12 games RVN currently 7 from 10 don't think we will get 3 points from the next 2 games

Useless stat when you consider the opposition both managers faced. 
 

By my count, 6 of Cooper’s games were against the bottom half. Ruud will have faced 4 by the end of that 12 game spell 

 

The other bit behind it that few very are acknowledging is that Cooper’s behaviour towards officials was dreadful and did not go do well with anyone 

Edited 27 January by CosbehFox

[SafewayFox]

5 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Useless stat when you consider the opposition both managers faced. 
 

By my count, 6 of Cooper’s games were against the bottom half. Ruud will have faced 4 by the end of that 12 game spell 

 

The other bit behind it that few very are acknowledging is that Cooper’s behaviour towards officials was dreadful and did not go do well with anyone 

Also worth noting that Cooper didn’t have the same injury issues of key players.

 

Ruud might be just as bad as Cooper but his higher standards will only help put light on our awful and stale board.

 

Cooper would have bemoaned the referees/lack of “PL experience” rather than call out the standards of the club.

 

Never known a manager to have such a passive and meek personality, in the world of elite sports it seemed so out of place.

[ThumbsUp]

The main reasons Cooper got results was luck and Mads tbh. At least under RVN we can get a result despite not having either. 

[Chrysalis]

7 hours ago, ThumbsUp said:

The main reasons Cooper got results was luck and Mads tbh. At least under RVN we can get a result despite not having either. 

The old saying you make your own luck in football.

[tinpot_fox]

13 hours ago, ThumbsUp said:

The main reasons Cooper got results was luck and Mads tbh. At least under RVN we can get a result despite not having either. 

I’m not expert but…. Did Cooper just put players in the sort of positions where they might get a goal but also kind of sh*thouse a defensive game plan, then rely on the players premier league experience to know what to do?

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Cooper had the luxury of a pre season, net spend of £80m, a fully fit squad and a fairly kind fixture list compared to Ruud who has endured a tougher run of games, injuries to key players, £2m to spend and had to implement his style in between a hectic schedule of games. 
 

There really is no comparison. 

[Bilo]

32 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Cooper had the luxury of a pre season, net spend of £80m, a fully fit squad and a fairly kind fixture list compared to Ruud who has endured a tougher run of games, injuries to key players, £2m to spend and had to implement his style in between a hectic schedule of games. 
 

There really is no comparison. 

I have to say that, if we somehow survive, I can imagine us kicking on a bit next season.

 

Key players back, money to spend from the likely sale of Hermansen, the 21-22 season off our backs in terms of PSR, the team finally showing a bit of grit and identity under RVN and him having a pre-season to stamp his identity on the team after the confidence boost of survival.

[Chelmofox]

24 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I have to say that, if we somehow survive, I can imagine us kicking on a bit next season.

 

Key players back, money to spend from the likely sale of Hermansen, the 21-22 season off our backs in terms of PSR, the team finally showing a bit of grit and identity under RVN and him having a pre-season to stamp his identity on the team after the confidence boost of survival.

This is exactly why i think it's all to play for and right now i want to still get behind Ruud and the players who are putting in a shift (BEK, Soumare etc).  Scraping through this season is still a very viable target. Do that i think we can get mid table next year as i think Ruud will know how to rebuild our defense and is already showing signs that he is setting higher standards than his predecessor. 

[Graceroad]

16 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Useless stat when you consider the opposition both managers faced. 
 

By my count, 6 of Cooper’s games were against the bottom half. Ruud will have faced 4 by the end of that 12 game spell 

 

The other bit behind it that few very are acknowledging is that Cooper’s behaviour towards officials was dreadful and did not go do well with anyone 

We have played West Ham Palace Wolves Spurs  reserves  and Everton incoming not sure how you make that 4 most of Coopers  bottom 6 matches were also away from home

[SafewayFox]

44 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

We have played West Ham Palace Wolves Spurs  reserves  and Everton incoming not sure how you make that 4 most of Coopers  bottom 6 matches were also away from home

I’m a bit impressed by your blind loyalty to Cooper but out of curiosity, let’s say Cooper stayed and had the same injuries - how do you think he would have fared?

 

That’s without taking intro account the players clearly weren’t having him, I don’t believe for one second that they hold up “We miss you Enzo” signs under Ruud.

[Gamble92]

3 hours ago, tinpot_fox said:

I’m not expert but…. Did Cooper just put players in the sort of positions where they might get a goal but also kind of sh*thouse a defensive game plan, then rely on the players premier league experience to know what to do?

 

 

That theory would be fine, and I think he'd still be in a job if any of the data pointed towards that being the case. Unfortunately it was quite obvious our goalkeeper was having to perform as one of the best in world football just to keep the score down to 4 in some games. 

 

But for pundits who are just given a league table at the time of Coopers sacking and after, the narrative has already been written if we get relegated. Poor little Cooper. 

Edited 28 January by Gamble92

[Graceroad]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

I’m a bit impressed by your blind loyalty to Cooper but out of curiosity, let’s say Cooper stayed and had the same injuries - how do you think he would have fared?

 

That’s without taking intro account the players clearly weren’t having him, I don’t believe for one second that they hold up “We miss you Enzo” signs under Ruud.

Believe it or not not a great Cooper fan but just think much of the criticism  was undeserved.Regarding injuries its all guestwork but I don't think it would have made that much difference  Ricardo never played Fatawu was in and out and was ineffective  for the most part apart from the Saints match don't think Ndidi that much of a loss when you consider how well BS has played and yes Mads is outstanding but JS played well and apart from Man City's  first goal not made any mistakes.. Also worth pointing out all sides have injury  problems at this stage of the Season Spurs were missing 12 Villa 5 they were both at full strength when they played earlier in the season

[TheGoldenGod]

10 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

I’m a bit impressed by your blind loyalty to Cooper but out of curiosity, let’s say Cooper stayed and had the same injuries - how do you think he would have fared?

 

That’s without taking intro account the players clearly weren’t having him, I don’t believe for one second that they hold up “We miss you Enzo” signs under Ruud.

I was close to replying to them with something similar. A cooper shill is among us. He's utter garbage and that's really the end of the discussion.

[HitchinFox]

Steve Cooper sacking – the Brexit vote of Foxestalk. 

 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Graceroad said:

We have played West Ham Palace Wolves Spurs  reserves  and Everton incoming not sure how you make that 4 most of Coopers  bottom 6 matches were also away from home

Five then - point still stands. 

 

When the bloke was wheeling out our analysts in front of journalists at Palace away about the offside decision, the alarm bells were ringing amongst a number of parties. 

[CosbehFox]

11 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

Believe it or not not a great Cooper fan but just think much of the criticism  was undeserved.Regarding injuries its all guestwork but I don't think it would have made that much difference  Ricardo never played Fatawu was in and out and was ineffective  for the most part apart from the Saints match don't think Ndidi that much of a loss when you consider how well BS has played and yes Mads is outstanding but JS played well and apart from Man City's  first goal not made any mistakes.. Also worth pointing out all sides have injury  problems at this stage of the Season Spurs were missing 12 Villa 5 they were both at full strength when they played earlier in the season

What if's - Everton were playing a centre midfielder at right back and Ashley Young on the other wing when he faced them. Ayew wasn't penalised for the most blatant push you could ever see at Southampton. 

 

[Daggers]

9 minutes ago, HitchinFox said:

Steve Cooper sacking – the Brexit vote of Foxestalk. 

 

Inverse, surely?

 

In Cooper's case, the nutters are the ones spinning a fiction and campaigning for remain.

[Graceroad]

11 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Five then - point still stands. 

 

When the bloke was wheeling out our analysts in front of journalists at Palace away about the offside decision, the alarm bells were ringing amongst a number of parties. 

But it was a ridiculous  decision to be fair 

[Graceroad]

9 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

What if's - Everton were playing a centre midfielder at right back and Ashley Young on the other wing when he faced them. Ayew wasn't penalised for the most blatant push you could ever see at Southampton. 

 

There's  always swrings and roundabouts if you want to play the what If game

[daddylonglegs]

25 minutes ago, HitchinFox said:

Steve Cooper sacking – the Brexit vote of Foxestalk. 

 

Not sure - wasn't Brexit 51/49%? 

 

I can't imagine there's 49 Leicester fans who wanted him to stay, let alone 49%!

[Sol thewall Bamba]

So he's been passed up for the Stoke and Luton jobs, I'll have a little laugh to myself every time another club employs a manager that isn't him. Knob.

[RonnieTodger]

The argument that he “had us 16th” is also due to the disastrous starts that Ipswich and Crystal Palace made. 

[OntarioFox]

1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

That theory would be fine, and I think he'd still be in a job if any of the data pointed towards that being the case. Unfortunately it was quite obvious our goalkeeper was having to perform as one of the best in world football just to keep the score down to 4 in some games. 

 

But for pundits who are just given a league table at the time of Coopers sacking and after, the narrative has already been written if we get relegated. Poor little Cooper. 

It follows exactly the pattern we had from outsiders in the run up to, and aftermath of, sacking Rodgers. For those of us who were there watching that shite week in, week out, we knew how bad it was and that he was the problem.
 

For lazy pundits it was just little old "Entitled Leicester" hounding out the manager who won them the FA Cup. See also - Ranieri's second season. We knew what we were seeing, and we were right to demand change.

 

The difference this time is that the squad depth just isn't there for Ruud to arrest the nosedive without some real reinforcements. BDCR and Ayew have some role to play, but I don't think any of us are kidding ourselves that the raft of signings made for Cooper were shit and haven't strengthened us whatsoever. Rudkin needs to pull his finger out over the next week, or we're still going to be right up against it without a miracle upturn in not just desire but actual ability.