Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Joe90lcfc]

30 minutes ago, phildw said:

Because he's the manager and should be instilling a belief and work ethic into the team (something he claimed to have already done as one of his first tasks at the club).... that's what a managers for. 

The problem is belief and work ethic only goes so far, without the quality, which is something we drastically lack it’s a struggle 

[Dave Fishwick]

The first two games results papered over some big cracks

 

conceding 74 shots over 3 games isn’t sustainable, thank God for Hermansen

[volpeazzurro]

Is it true he's still only got one of his own coaches with him?

 

If so I suppose he needs coaches with him that fully understand and know how to coach his methods and tactics plus defensive organisation! If, as he says, he's more Enzo Maresca inclined, then any of  Cooper's coaches that are left are more from the Fred Flintstone school of thought! 

 

He's not a magician and he won't work miracles overnight. Coupled today with injuries and suspension then there was realistically only ever going to be one result or outcome against a very decent side.

 

Early days but still a very big ask with who we've got available. With a fighting fit Winks, Ricardo and Fatawu and no suspensions it might be a slightly different story but at least two of those aren't going to happen. But, unlike under Cooper, I'm still looking forward to our next match!

 

 

[Lambert09]

6 hours ago, Matt said:

Firstly, I'll start by saying I've been impressed and entertained since RVN has come in.

 

However it does make me smirk abit when so many people were perma-predicting hammerings every week under Cooper and we never really had one in terms of score lines, yet we've had 4 put past us twice since he was sacked.

 

Not only that, people complained that were were conceding so many shots against, that's not really changed, i've not really looked to compare but it feels like we're conceding more shots against of an average?

 

Can you imagine the shitstorm that would have gone down if Cooper was still in charge and West Ham had all those shots.

 

Likewise, we're not really having many shots ourselves, that was a bugbear of many under Cooper which hasn't really changed either, yet.

 

The thing is though, that’s down to luck rather than cooper having us more defensively stable. 

 

In so many games shipped plenty of chances that should have resulted in hammerings but cooper carried over some of that luck he had with forest and the chances seemed to stay out the net (for the most part) 

 

if cooper had stayed the hammerings would have started coming. 

[Dan]

Ward is a red flag. Lets hope he's realised and it was a one off.

[FrankieADZ]

8 hours ago, Dave Fishwick said:

The first two games results papered over some big cracks

 

conceding 74 shots over 3 games isn’t sustainable, thank God for Hermansen

yes and no in regards papering over the cracks, in them 2 games we looked far better than we ever did under cooper, in regards tactics, formation organisation 

 

shots is a very misleading stat at times i find, like i think we had near 20 at ipswich and yet we was god awful and managed most of them after they had a player sent off

 

brentford are doing well atm and teams are still averaging 18 shots a game against them, see how its a sort of iffy stat

 

i agree, we need to be more tighter defensively, dont help we was missing a good number of key players then Ward came in

 

imagine the confidence the players got when he popped in goal

Edited 15 December 2024 by FrankieADZ

[foxfanazer]

I know many will disagree but I hope we give Ruud at the very least this season and all of the next. I know football doesn't work like that anymore but I do think he has the personality to raise the super low standards at the club. 

[old koppite]

9 hours ago, phildw said:

Because he's the manager and should be instilling a belief and work ethic into the team (something he claimed to have already done as one of his first tasks at the club).... that's what a managers for. 

Of course, so we can assume he and the coaches would have said at halftime for them to be alert from the whistle, and in training delegated someone to organise the line for free kicks outside our box, but how can we blame him and the coaches when the second goal happens?

They must have a delegated player (Vesty or Coady?)- whichever needs a rocket. 

 

[FrankieADZ]

15 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I know many will disagree but I hope we give Ruud at the very least this season and all of the next. I know football doesn't work like that anymore but I do think he has the personality to raise the super low standards at the club. 

good luck with that, some want him out after 1 defeats, least give him 10 games to judge, like most did with Cooper

[foxinsocks]

2 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Ward is a red flag. Lets hope he's realised and it was a one off.

White flag also 

[Lcfc-1992]

Worrying seeing how many shots we’ve conceded in the 3 games and then seeing comments on how open PSV were during his time there

[Paninistickers]

Wasn't convinced when he was appointed and nothing - not even the 4 points - has convinced me since. 

 

We have a real raw deal with injuries at the moment. A decent manager then had to work around that. We were set up for a heavy defeat yesterday. A midfield stripped of its best players and he simply went like like with inferior replacements..it was a feeble,. unimaginative decision....it was clear to mug punters like us the midfield needed to be beefed up.

 

Other red flags;

 

*Coady wasn't good enough to make a championship bench half the time.

 

*Ward on the bench. Watching him for 3/4 minutes in training allowing every shot in (anyone ever seen the training videos? And those are ward highlights!) ...should be enough for a manager 

 

*Vardy can't lead a line in a defensive set up. Never has. Plus he wasnt a regular starter last season, nor even relegation season. Now two years older and a level higher he's an ever present.

 

* Not playing Buonnotte..i mean wtf?! 

 

*First two games not playing Mavididi. Again, wtf?! 

 

He got the job because top, Whelan and Rudkin don't know how to recruit a manager. They await an agency sending over a CV and go from there. 

 

 

[ARTY_FOX]

Only thing I'm concerned with right now is the selection of ward. Outside of that it's been better than it was previously. 

[Number 6]

Ward has been on the bench as the keeper back up all season with injuries to our other keepers. Dunno why so much shade for Ruud on this.

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

Ward has been on the bench as the keeper back up all season with injuries to our other keepers. Dunno why so much shade for Ruud on this.

Because no decent manager would have Ward anywhere near a 25 man squad, let alone the bench..

 

Enzo demoted Ward to effectively be the GK coach and warm up assistant. That was his job last year. 

[Number 6]

18 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Because no decent manager would have Ward anywhere near a 25 man squad, let alone the bench..

 

Enzo demoted Ward to effectively be the GK coach and warm up assistant. That was his job last year. 

With Stol, who isn't available.

[Paninistickers]

Just now, Number 6 said:

With Stol, who isn't available.

But Iversen is. A perfectly respectable championship level GK

[Lionator]

Will expect us to be looking for another new manager come March

[Number 6]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

But Iversen is. A perfectly respectable championship level GK

I just don't think assessing who the second choice keeper is will have been top of Ruud's list in his first two weeks. He'll have just gone with the incumbent with so many more important areas to work on.

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

I just don't think assessing who the second choice keeper is will have been top of Ruud's list in his first two weeks. He'll have just gone with the incumbent with so many more important areas to work on.

I agree that was probs the decision making process. Thems the details tho. A manager is paid helluva lot of money to know (find out) these things. 

 

Off on a tangent, bit it was one of the tragedies of Enzo (and the club)  jettisoning Sadler and Stowell.. discussed this in a thread the other day. You need some long standing steady Eddie's at the club who can provide wise counsel and a frank commentary on what's what at a club.

 

 

[Number 6]

Just now, Paninistickers said:

I agree that was probs the decision making process. Thems the details tho. A manager is paid helluva lot of money to know (find out) these things. 

 

Off on a tangent, bit it was one of the tragedies of Enzo (and the club)  jettisoning Sadler and Stowell.. discussed this in a thread the other day. You need some long standing steady Eddie's at the club who can provide wise counsel and a frank commentary on what's what at a club.

 

 

Agreed, would have made the transition much easier. If Mads is out for any length of time I'd also imagine assessing who is the best number 2 will jump up the priority list - though if we're stuck with Iversen/Ward for any length of time then I think we're in bother.

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Agreed, would have made the transition much easier. If Mads is out for any length of time I'd also imagine assessing who is the best number 2 will jump up the priority list - though if we're stuck with Iversen/Ward for any length of time then I think we're in bother.

We could get away with Iversen for the wolves man city and Liverpool games...and then hopefully mads is back or at very least Stolarcyk is ready 

 

Repeating the earlier point, the Sadler , stowell thing was yet another example of club admin boneheadedness....ok, Enzo didnt wants the lads but the club could've really tried to keep them  and create a role. Maybe Sadler for example could've been seconded to work/coach/manage in another league, MLS for example. UEFA. Whatever. There's so little imagination down there it's unreal

 

 

[Fox92]

11 hours ago, Dave Fishwick said:

The first two games results papered over some big cracks

 

conceding 74 shots over 3 games isn’t sustainable, thank God for Hermansen

Without doubt. A better team than West Ham would have beaten us with the amount of chances they had. I said pre Newcastle game that a hammering was bound to happen, our issue all season has been we allow too many shots and created chances against us and that has not changed (yet).

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Wasn't convinced when he was appointed and nothing - not even the 4 points - has convinced me since. 

 

We have a real raw deal with injuries at the moment. A decent manager then had to work around that. We were set up for a heavy defeat yesterday. A midfield stripped of its best players and he simply went like like with inferior replacements..it was a feeble,. unimaginative decision....it was clear to mug punters like us the midfield needed to be beefed up.

 

Other red flags;

 

*Coady wasn't good enough to make a championship bench half the time.

 

*Ward on the bench. Watching him for 3/4 minutes in training allowing every shot in (anyone ever seen the training videos? And those are ward highlights!) ...should be enough for a manager 

 

*Vardy can't lead a line in a defensive set up. Never has. Plus he wasnt a regular starter last season, nor even relegation season. Now two years older and a level higher he's an ever present.

 

* Not playing Buonnotte..i mean wtf?! 

 

*First two games not playing Mavididi. Again, wtf?! 

 

He got the job because top, Whelan and Rudkin don't know how to recruit a manager. They await an agency sending over a CV and go from there. 

 

 

Even though I saw signs of more direct football I'm not convinced either. He's another manager too scared to shake things up tactically. Our midfield is all over the place injuries issues or not. He's not even trying to field a more compact unit playing a diamond with a full low block. Yes this will probably leave both flanks more exposed but as it is I'd rather have the opposition throwing crosses in rather cutting as like butter through the midfield. 

[Tielemans63]

RvN wasn't my first choice to be fair, I just felt that he didn't really have the experience of this end of the league. That said, 4 points from his first 3 games is decent. We've taken a pumping today, but his options were so limited: he has to play JJ every week and the midfield options he has available today were a joke, quite frankly.

 

Something I've seen that I like is that he's prepared to take risks (West Ham / Brighton) which I think is crucial if we're going to survive. Cooper was totally risk-averse which I'm convinced would have been our undoing over the whole season. I sense with RvN that we'll take risks and might take a few hammerings as a result, but we might also gamble and pick up a few points here and there. I don't mind that.

 

All of this is academic though, if he's not backed massively in January. If we're still in a situation where we only have 3 half-realistic full back options, Skipp and Choudhury as our midfield options, Ward in goal and a 38 year old Vardy as our only effective forward, then it doesn't make a difference who the manager is. My concern is that January is a notoriously difficult window to operate in and we're relying on Rudkin and co to get deals done......hard to conclude that we're anything other than knackered tbh 

Edited 15 December 2024 by Tielemans63