Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Gazza M]

50 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Cooper got more points out of these players, Yes he wasn't right but he was miles better than Ruud

I agree, I think Ruud should be sacked if we lose Arsenal and Brentford. 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

I agree, I think Ruud should be sacked if we lose Arsenal and Brentford. 

To lose one football club might be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness. 

[SafewayFox]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

Ruud may have said a lot when he came in. But he see's this pile of sh1t we have every day in training.

 

I would say he's playing what he sees as the best way for them. I'm not saying he's fit for the job long term.

 

But I do think it's a bit harsh judging him atm. He's inherited a pile of sh1t and the clubs done nothing to change that in January.

 

None of this shit show is his fault.

I agree that the parody of a football club that we’ve become isn’t at his door.

 

HOWEVER, I disagree with stating it’s hard to judge him atm, I want to like him as he at least wants to create higher standards.

 

Yet his complete ignorance to playing a midfield two of Winks and Soumare who offer zero protection to a leaky defence, makes me liking him a tough feat.

 

Look at how he made a like for like change against United the other night as an example, Wilf rightfully couldn’t play a full 90 minutes so then either play 3 in the middle (sacrifice Ayew who was also blowing) or go 3 at the back, anything to address our glaring issues.

 

Not doing that is borderline neglect, watch back the Everton embarrassment, Jannik and Faes were hideous but Soumare and Winks were as bad if not worse.

 

[sylofox]

10 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Hmmm, sorry I don’t agree,

what about the lack of coaching team brought with him?

Appointing an assistant manager after a month.

 

“Ruud van Nistelrooy’s right-hand man Jelle ten Rouwelaar has been hailed as an innovator who is reinventing goalkeeper coaching”

 

Danny Ward cmon down,

 

So the assistant is probably down to spending as with a coaching team.

 

No coach is making a silk purse from a pigs ear.

 

Would you rather he played unfit keepers to have then got further injured and had Ward for the rest of the season. He knows what the medics said you don't.

 

Couldn't even read anything else you put. Obviously anti with no thought of the bigger picture.

 

His hands are tied due to our miss management.

 

He'll be the fall guy after Saturdays protest but it's not his fault.

[sylofox]

7 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

I agree that the parody of a football club that we’ve become isn’t at his door.

 

HOWEVER, I disagree with stating it’s hard to judge him atm, I want to like him as he at least wants to create higher standards.

 

Yet his complete ignorance to playing a midfield two of Winks and Soumare who offer zero protection to a leaky defence, makes me liking him a tough feat.

 

Look at how he made a like for like change against United the other night as an example, Wilf rightfully couldn’t play a full 90 minutes so then either play 3 in the middle (sacrifice Ayew who was also blowing) or go 3 at the back, anything to address our glaring issues.

 

Not doing that is borderline neglect, watch back the Everton embarrassment, Jannik and Faes were hideous but Soumare and Winks were as bad if not worse.

 

You don't see he's trying to balance things.

 

We either go out all attack or just defend.

 

We could go 4_4_2 with 4 defenders in mid field and this lot would still concede.

 

He's got a pile of shit bar 2 or 3 and an old git in Vardy.

 

Tell me what you would do with this shit?

 

Oh yes we would all love it but playing the kids is a real gamble. And he knows the kids and knows the prem.

 

So tell me what he's doing wrong other than our perception of his subs.

[HankMarvin]

6 minutes ago, sylofox said:

So the assistant is probably down to spending as with a coaching team.

 

No coach is making a silk purse from a pigs ear.

 

Would you rather he played unfit keepers to have then got further injured and had Ward for the rest of the season. He knows what the medics said you don't.

 

Couldn't even read anything else you put. Obviously anti with no thought of the bigger picture.

 

His hands are tied due to our miss management.

 

He'll be the fall guy after Saturdays protest but it's not his fault.

The assistant was appointed a month later, A former Man City employee isn’t going to be on peanuts.

whilst I agree the club wasn’t going to pay a substantial amount to get someone out of a contract 

His PSV assistant was Manager of an Ecuadorean second division reserve team up until Xmas, wouldn’t have exactly broke the bank.

 

Any Keeper on the clubs books would’ve been better than someone that has previously ridiculed, blamed for relegation and has zero confidence.

 

If you can’t be bothered reading a 30 second post in full in probably better not responding.

[SafewayFox]

13 minutes ago, sylofox said:

You don't see he's trying to balance things.

 

We either go out all attack or just defend.

 

We could go 4_4_2 with 4 defenders in mid field and this lot would still concede.

 

He's got a pile of shit bar 2 or 3 and an old git in Vardy.

 

Tell me what you would do with this shit?

 

Oh yes we would all love it but playing the kids is a real gamble. And he knows the kids and knows the prem.

 

So tell me what he's doing wrong other than our perception of his subs.

I think that I explained what he’s doing wrong.

 

How can any professional manager have watched the Everton amateurish defending both live and then as part of any debrief with his coaching and playing squad and genuinely believe that a planned substitution that will see the same shape/players (minus Okoli in for Jannik) and not come to the conclusion that he has to try something different?

 

Our defending for the four Everton goals is criminal and that deserves calling out IMO.

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

Our defending for the four Everton goals is criminal and that deserves calling out IMO.

Results should improve though with Mads and Ndidi back in the line up 👀

[sylofox]

3 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

 

 

If you can’t be bothered reading a 30 second post in full in probably better not responding.

If you can't see so much wrong in our club other than the manager maybe you should not post.

[Filbert Fireworks]

3 hours ago, sylofox said:

You don't see he's trying to balance things.

 

We either go out all attack or just defend.

 

We could go 4_4_2 with 4 defenders in mid field and this lot would still concede.

 

He's got a pile of shit bar 2 or 3 and an old git in Vardy.

 

Tell me what you would do with this shit?

 

Oh yes we would all love it but playing the kids is a real gamble. And he knows the kids and knows the prem.

 

So tell me what he's doing wrong other than our perception of his subs.

I think he is stubbornly sticking to a 4231 which doesn't suit our current squad with a double midfield pivot we haven't the players for when Ndidi is injured. 

He's lost 8 out of 9 games and persists with it. We were better than this under cooper. 

He often plays a high line aka the everton debacle and didn't change it after we were 1 then 2 then 3 then 4-0 down demonstrating poor tactical insight. 

We have conceded more and scored less since he took over than we did under Cooper. 

He makes like for like subs at odd times his game management is poor. 

The squad isn't shit. Yes it isn't top 10 but it is better than wolves, southampton, Ipswich, possibly everton. It is good enough for 17. 

 

Playing a high line, playing a CB pairing. Playing a double midfield. Pivot. Every single game, with exactly the same result. 

 

That is what he is doing wrong. 

 

Why not play a low block at times with Facundo, daka, bilal, mavs for a counter attack. 

 

Why not try 3 cbs. Coady always played better in a 3 and we concede 2 every single bloody game.

Why not play a mid 3 when wilf ia injured. 

Why not switch to a 343, 352 once. In a while. 

 

He is just not up to it. The players are fine. He is the problem. 

 

[sylofox]

4 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

I agree that the parody of a football club that we’ve become isn’t at his door.

 

HOWEVER, I disagree with stating it’s hard to judge him atm, I want to like him as he at least wants to create higher standards.

 

Yet his complete ignorance to playing a midfield two of Winks and Soumare who offer zero protection to a leaky defence, makes me liking him a tough feat.

 

Look at how he made a like for like change against United the other night as an example, Wilf rightfully couldn’t play a full 90 minutes so then either play 3 in the middle (sacrifice Ayew who was also blowing) or go 3 at the back, anything to address our glaring issues.

 

Not doing that is borderline neglect, watch back the Everton embarrassment, Jannik and Faes were hideous but Soumare and Winks were as bad if not worse.

 

As I've said I'm not saying he's right but he has been dealt a shit hand.

 

All I'm saying is it really right judging him as a manager with what he's got and the club have not backed him. We know he wanted changes and they gave him nothing.

 

It's not all his fault.

 

Our fan base thought H Kane was shit how did that work out..

[HankMarvin]

15 hours ago, sylofox said:

If you can't see so much wrong in our club other than the manager maybe you should not post.

Where have I said that?

 

I responded to you coming out and saying NONE of this shit show is his fault, in which case it’s pretty pointless having a manager.

Not to mention, the countless examples of Managers that actually had a positive impact on teams results.

At the very least I would hope a new manager comes in and the results improve on the previous manager that has been sacked.

 

Ruud wasn’t promoted from within, he knew what he was walking into, there was a history of Rudkin issues with Rodgers, plus all the well documented PSR trouble and court cases with prior to his appointment.

If Ruud didn’t get concrete assurances for what he believed he needed, to be successful his job more fool him.

Instead he came out last week and said he wasn’t surprised by the lack of spending so let’s stop using as this as excuse for poor performances, or certainly poorer performances than we saw earlier in the season.

 

Let’s hope, with key players back we see an upturn in form sooner rather than later.

 

[Lambert09]

Given the basket case the club is at the moment, I think I’d be inclined to keep him in charge for next season. 
 

it feels like he’s not had a fair shake of things, he’s inherited someone else’s squad and we have no idea if what he would like to do, is possible in this circumstance. 
 

But the one indication of what he would like to implement is probably the QPR game, because the level of opponent meant it was possible to play the way he wants. 
 

Maybe we just have to ride this one out and have some patience. I agree that for our position he wasn’t the right man, but we could use some stability and I think as long as he starts moving towards what we want and need… youth integration etc, then I’m willing to stay off his back. 

Edited 13 February by Lambert09

[Pliskin]

I bet that he will revert the team back to the same shite defence that’s been losing every game. 

[Nolucklcfc]

21 hours ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

I think he is stubbornly sticking to a 4231 which doesn't suit our current squad with a double midfield pivot we haven't the players for when Ndidi is injured. 

He's lost 8 out of 9 games and persists with it. We were better than this under cooper. 

He often plays a high line aka the everton debacle and didn't change it after we were 1 then 2 then 3 then 4-0 down demonstrating poor tactical insight. 

We have conceded more and scored less since he took over than we did under Cooper. 

He makes like for like subs at odd times his game management is poor. 

The squad isn't shit. Yes it isn't top 10 but it is better than wolves, southampton, Ipswich, possibly everton. It is good enough for 17. 

 

Playing a high line, playing a CB pairing. Playing a double midfield. Pivot. Every single game, with exactly the same result. 

 

That is what he is doing wrong. 

 

Why not play a low block at times with Facundo, daka, bilal, mavs for a counter attack. 

 

Why not try 3 cbs. Coady always played better in a 3 and we concede 2 every single bloody game.

Why not play a mid 3 when wilf ia injured. 

Why not switch to a 343, 352 once. In a while. 

 

He is just not up to it. The players are fine. He is the problem. 

 

The players are fine … haha 

[Guy]

21 hours ago, sylofox said:

As I've said I'm not saying he's right but he has been dealt a shit hand.

 

All I'm saying is it really right judging him as a manager with what he's got and the club have not backed him. We know he wanted changes and they gave him nothing.

 

It's not all his fault.

 

Our fan base thought H Kane was shit how did that work out..

He was when he was here on loan though, maybe it was because Pearson didn't play him to his main strengths at that time in the Championship, I don't know but he suddenly came good at SSpurs and for England thereafter for sure.

[SkidsFox]

10 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Given the basket case the club is at the moment, I think I’d be inclined to keep him in charge for next season. 
 

it feels like he’s not had a fair shake of things, he’s inherited someone else’s squad and we have no idea if what he would like to do, is possible in this circumstance. 
 

But the one indication of what he would like to implement is probably the QPR game, because the level of opponent meant it was possible to play the way he wants. 
 

Maybe we just have to ride this one out and have some patience. I agree that for our position he wasn’t the right man, but we could use some stability and I think as long as he starts moving towards what we want and need… youth integration etc, then I’m willing to stay off his back. 

Agree. He also had to cope with the injuries to Mads, Wilf and Fatawu, so points comparisons with Cooper aren't valid.

[Richmondfox]

12 hours ago, Pliskin said:

I bet that he will revert the team back to the same shite defence that’s been losing every game. 

And the same attack that haven’t been scoring and the same midfield that jog around unwilling to try to tackle and continue not getting the team to press. 

[Graceroad]

6 hours ago, SkidsFox said:

Agree. He also had to cope with the injuries to Mads, Wilf and Fatawu, so points comparisons with Cooper aren't valid.

You do know all clubs have injuries esp this stage in the season. RVN for example came up against a Spurs side missing 13 yes 13 players Cooper came up against a full strength Spurs side RVN played a Villa Side missing 6 Cooper played a full strength Viila. side.

[HankMarvin]

6 hours ago, SkidsFox said:

Agree. He also had to cope with the injuries to Mads, Wilf and Fatawu, so points comparisons with Cooper aren't valid.

People keep using Fatawu he started 6 games under Cooper and played 5 full games.

Out of those games he started we picked up 2 points.

 

[winteriscoming]

The problem is he doesn’t help himself with team selection, in game management and subs. We all know Vesty is going to walk straight back into the side tomorrow and Ayew will continue even though he’s quite possibly the slowest wide player in living memory. 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, winteriscoming said:

The problem is he doesn’t help himself with team selection, in game management and subs. We all know Vesty is going to walk straight back into the side tomorrow and Ayew will continue even though he’s quite possibly the slowest wide player in living memory. 

This is it really. There is part of him which is so impressive in that he has the measure of the squad's personality and the restrictions of the regime. But he keeps making huge errors. 

[FoxFossil]

He seemed very down in the last presser, kept looking at his watch  as if he didn't want to be there. Wonder if the rumour he's already quit  and was persuaded to stay are true. Body language seemed to confirm that imo.

[Fox92]

7 hours ago, SkidsFox said:

Agree. He also had to cope with the injuries to Mads, Wilf and Fatawu, so points comparisons with Cooper aren't valid.

 

43 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

You do know all clubs have injuries esp this stage in the season. RVN for example came up against a Spurs side missing 13 yes 13 players Cooper came up against a full strength Spurs side RVN played a Villa Side missing 6 Cooper played a full strength Viila. side.

We've also played teams that have had injuries and they've still beaten us easily. Everton for example, missing Calvert-Lewin and played Beto who never scores yet got two goals against us.

 

So many excuses thrown around.

[Gazza M]

If we see: 

 

Justin  Faes Vesty VK

 

then he really hasn't a clue.