Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[CUJimmy]

18 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

I like the theory, and I’m sure there’s a way to do this… You’d need some lawyers involved though as it seems risky from an employment law perspective (of course our board could be entirely trusted to navigate complex contracts)!

Much of this depends on whether there is a relegation clause in his contract and none of us knows for sure.

 

If he won the job in a competitive interview against viable candidates then there might be but the if we chased him and persuaded him to join then there almost certainly won’t.  I suspect the latter is more likely.

 

This means that if we want to get rid we will have to buy him off.  The starting point is the entire value of the rest of his contract but this can be negotiated down.  If Ruud insisted on the full amount it makes no difference to us whether he is placed on gardening leave or let go so there is an incentive for him to accept a lower payout if he wants another job.  My understanding with Potter is that he received pretty much his full salary for a period of time but this would have been reduced if he had taken another job after leaving Chelsea.

 

 

[5waller5]

14 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Rudkin doesn't open his emails till he's finished his croissant and mocha.

I now have an image of Rudkin in full tracksuit, Nationwide ad style, holding his hand out saying “croissant me”!

[teblin]

2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Good work!!! 

That’s incredible to see the cold hard stats behind the emotion

Also to prove how bad both managers we’ve had this year have been. I didn’t think it could get worse but by god did it and then some.

[filbertway]

Just now, 5waller5 said:

I now have an image of Rudkin in full tracksuit, Nationwide ad style, holding his hand out saying “croissant me”!

"GENTLY! You know Jon doesn't like it when Jon gets pastry flakes on his tracksuit"

 

I assume he refers to himself in 3rd person.

[Foxin_Mad]

14 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Our worst ever manager? Anyone think of anyone else who might take it? 

 

Interesting that the lovers of Goony, still think he’d have kept us up in 0.83 ppg.

 

Lets face it we cocked up by hiring cooper and wasting money on absolutely unnecessary dross, the we compounded it by hiring RVN rather than an actual manager. Hell even big Sam or Warnock would be preferable 

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, CUJimmy said:

Much of this depends on whether there is a relegation clause in his contract and none of us knows for sure.

 

If he won the job in a competitive interview against viable candidates then there might be but the if we chased him and persuaded him to join then there almost certainly won’t.  I suspect the latter is more likely.

 

This means that if we want to get rid we will have to buy him off.  The starting point is the entire value of the rest of his contract but this can be negotiated down.  If Ruud insisted on the full amount it makes no difference to us whether he is placed on gardening leave or let go so there is an incentive for him to accept a lower payout if he wants another job.  My understanding with Potter is that he received pretty much his full salary for a period of time but this would have been reduced if he had taken another job after leaving Chelsea.

 

 

And continuing to pay his wages for a period of time, as Chelsea did with Potter, would serve to reduce any severance package over time to avoid the 'cliff edge' as per PSR. As you say, if he is effectively prevented from getting another job for anything more than a couple of months or so, the chances of him getting a decent one at all severely diminishes. 

 

He'll almost certainly never manage in the Premier League again, but could he get a job in Europe? Probably, and especially in the Netherlands where his exploits at PSV mean he probably still has a bit of stock. 

[5waller5]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

"GENTLY! You know Jon doesn't like it when Jon gets pastry flakes on his tracksuit"

 

I assume he refers to himself in 3rd person.

I’m not sure I could dislike Rudkin more, but this might just do it! 

[RowlattsFox]

Always funny to take a read of the first few pages of a new manager thread when it's clearly gone wrong  

 

There was plenty of opportunities to sympathise with Ruud, and initially I did, given he has had no say on this squad and no opportunities to improve it but you can't be this shit. 

 

Squad is rubbish, no doubt about that, and we were always going down unless a manager did a brilliant job, but to do it without showing even a remote of promise is incredible. To not even try. 

 

He really should have quit after the window closed, he knew has was on a hiding to nothing after that point and has probably chucked his managerial career down the drain. 

[CUJimmy]

35 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Put him on gardening leave today and then terminate his contract on July 1st so it doesn't appear on the balance sheet until the next accounting period, by which point we should have trimmed a decent amount of fat from the wage bill as well. BBM and King as caretakers until the end of the season.

 

Actively pursue Röhl by the end of the day and get him to sign a pre-contract agreement to take over on July 1st, again delaying the compensation payment to Sheffield Wednesday until the next accounting period, but also giving him a whole summer to rebuild the squad.

Agree with the principle but it depends slightly on what the club predicts will be the financial outcome for 24-25.  If we can pay him off this season without breaching PSR for the 22-23/23-24/24-25 seasons then we are better off doing all the dirty work before the end of June and getting it out of the system quicker.  Given that promotion in the next 3 years is far from certain we need to prepare for a lower allowance.

[ronnup]

He must be absolutely loaded, just **** off and forget the money. Shame should make him do that

[Nolucklcfc]

Just now, ronnup said:

He must be absolutely loaded, just **** off and forget the money. Shame should make him do that

It can only get worse, no point in him being here at all. 

[RowlattsFox]

19 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Our worst ever manager? Anyone think of anyone else who might take it? 

 

Difficult to compare different levels though. He has been incredibly shit, don't get me wrong but we were shit before he got here too. Ruud managing in the championship? Hopefully we'll never know. 

[Bilo]

1 hour ago, CUJimmy said:

Agree with the principle but it depends slightly on what the club predicts will be the financial outcome for 24-25.  If we can pay him off this season without breaching PSR for the 22-23/23-24/24-25 seasons then we are better off doing all the dirty work before the end of June and getting it out of the system quicker.  Given that promotion in the next 3 years is far from certain we need to prepare for a lower allowance.

In one sense, there is good news as the catastrophic 21-22 accounting period is now out of our system. That leaves us with 22-23, where we barely spent any money on players due to the previous accounting periods, 23-24 where the losses were inside the allowable range even at Championship level and this season. 

 

Get rid of some of the highest earners this summer, get a decent fee for Hermansen, and we suddenly have a decent amount of headroom to bin off RVN and pay compensation to a Championship or other club to get the boss we actually want and need instead of having to compromise as we did this summer - with disastrous results.

Edited 8 April by Bilo

[CUJimmy]

4 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Always funny to take a read of the first few pages of a new manager thread when it's clearly gone wrong  

 

There was plenty of opportunities to sympathise with Ruud, and initially I did, given he has had no say on this squad and no opportunities to improve it but you can't be this shit. 

 

Squad is rubbish, no doubt about that, and we were always going down unless a manager did a brilliant job, but to do it without showing even a remote of promise is incredible. To not even try. 

 

He really should have quit after the window closed, he knew has was on a hiding to nothing after that point and has probably chucked his managerial career down the drain. 

Agree with this.

 

I suspect he wishes he had walked at the end of the transfer window blaming a lack of support from the board and that he had been misled over available funds at interview.

 

Some clubs might be put off employing him because he would have done that twice but not as much as by the shitshow we have seen since.

 

[TheFiveTime]

Problems are obvious. Played are 4231 with two wide players but didnt even start our only good winger. Moved to some ridiculous 5 at the back with two left backs that clearly doesnt work and now seems unwilling to change it. was a massive defender of ruud at the start but actually got no idea what he is doing, what he is playing at. Some of his decisions have been truly horrific.

 

We literally have one non injured player capable of getting bums off seats and yet  he is perma benched. I just do not understand. Someone please help me understand

[Larry_LCFC]

The fact he is still here this morning shows what an appalling, clueless owner Top is and what an absolute **** RVN is.

[Gazza M]

Journalists asking if he will still be here next season is a joke. Like he has a choice. 

[Skidmark]

 

 

[Fox1norfolk]

11 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

Problems are obvious. Played are 4231 with two wide players but didnt even start our only good winger. Moved to some ridiculous 5 at the back with two left backs that clearly doesnt work and now seems unwilling to change it. was a massive defender of ruud at the start but actually got no idea what he is doing, what he is playing at. Some of his decisions have been truly horrific.

 

We literally have one non injured player capable of getting bums off seats and yet  he is perma benched. I just do not understand. Someone please help me understand

What on earth do they do in training at Seagrave, play golf? Obviously no defence drills as demonstrated after 2 minutes last night. 5 defenders across the goal and they score with a tap in. I thought RVN would prove to be a success, unfortunately he seems completely devoid of ideas.

[StanSP]

How is he still in post?! 

[FrankieADZ]

7 minutes ago, StanSP said:

How is he still in post?! 

cos we have an owner who is too busy playing Polo

[Nick]

9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

How is he still in post?! 

I guess it's costly to sack him. And then there's the pressure to bring someone else in quickly which isn't a great idea considering they'll be managing in the Championship and they'll also want to know what funds and squad they'll have to do so and I doubt there's anybody that can really answer that question right now – so it's a waiting game and hope we can do a mutually agreed settlement rather than a big payout and part ways over the summer?

 

Personally, I'd prefer them however to get someone in now and at least give it a crack but this season was over before it started with our recruitment and then the nails were put in the coffin in January when we didn't recruit again. The whole forum knew we needed 5 quality starting players minimum to compete and we bought one.

 

The pressure is mounting though with rumours like this from football insider being banded around... 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjwv2yneedyo

 

Edited 8 April by Nick

[jammie82uk]

 

 

Q: You said in the programme you wanted a performance that reflected what the badge meant. Do you feel your players got anywhere close to that tonight?

RvN: “No. We, and this includes myself… when after 34 minutes, we’ve lost the game, I don’t think we were able to do so.”

 

Q: The atmosphere is quite tense. Do you think that’s having an affect on your players?

RvN: “Not only that but also the run of form we’re in, the lack of goals, you’ll come up with the stats and the records. It’s also something that affects every one of us. It’s clearly very difficult to come out from.”

 

Q: Do you feel you need to be careful with Jeremy Monga in terms of the situations you introduce him to?

RvN: “Today, we felt it was the moment to bring him on, to let him have his debut. He showed glimpses of his quality at such a young age. Well done to him and his family for this great moment.”

 

Q: You mentioned before that you wouldn’t consider Monga because of restrictions around his training time. Has anything changed? 

RvN: “Apparently.”

 

Q: What has changed?

RvN: “We decided to add him to the squad, so that changed from the weeks before.”

 

Q: It’s the worst losing run in the club’s league history. What do you say to the players after a run like that?

RvN: “What I want to say is that it’s very disappointing. If I speak for myself, coming here with the intent to bring the club forward, so far it didn’t work. I tried different things, different players, different structures, without results. That’s what I can say about how I feel at this moment. That’s it.”

 

Q: You mentioned on Thursday about wanting clarity over the ‘alignment’ at the club. Have you had conversations with anybody at the club about that? 

RvN: “It’s clear the most important thing is this club, and what’s best for this club, and that’s also something we have to discuss.”

 

Q: Are those discussions planned?

RvN: “It’s about tonight for me and the run of form we’re in, the position we’re in, and that’s it for tonight for me to react to.”

 

Q: Harry Winks wasn’t in the squad again. It’s reported it’s concerning a dispute between you and him. Is that correct?

RvN: “It’s not the moment to speak about individuals. We have other things to address, so I think it’s not correct to speak about individuals at the moment.”

 

Q: Is he not under consideration for selection?

RvN: “As I said, it’s not the moment to speak about individuals.”

Q: Is there anything you can say to offer hope for the future?

RvN: “I think for now, it’s been such a bad run, a bad run of games of not getting results and not being able to score goals, that for me it’s time to recover from this first before I can say anything else.”

Q: Do you remain committed to Leicester for the rest of this season?

RvN: “The most important thing is the club and these players. That’s what I would say for now.”

Q: Do you see yourself carrying on for the rest of the season?

RvN: “The most important thing is the club and the players. That is my reaction.”

 

[Les-TA-Jon]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

How is he still in post?! 

• Now is not the time to appoint our next permanent manager, nor is it likely the wanted candidates are available/willing to come to the job in the current circumstances
• What would actually be gained by asking one of the background coaches to step up in the interim? 
• It's possible that sacking RVN once relegation is officially confirmed, could save the club millions

[Steve Earle]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

We haven't scored since January.

 

He is our worse ever manager.

 

I can accept losing but not scoring in 3 consecutive games is a disgrace, never mind 8. That's on top of him setting us up to just not even attack teams and playing the same team for 4 consecutive games now. 

 

It's a joke. I don't know how anybody within the football club cannot see this is embarrassing. How a manager has lasted this is beyond me. 

Have you clocked who employs him?