Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Graceroad]

33 minutes ago, Levi Port said:

If we finished chances like we did under Cooper we’d be around 15th now. We were clinical under him then Ruud’s come in, the performances have improved but we can’t hit a barn door 

Not true off the top of my head I recall Vardy missing a 1 on 1 against Spurs we also missed several chances against Villa not too mention the open goal Ayrew missed at Palace

[5waller5]

5 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

He's had 9 league games a 1/4 season, 10 if you add in the cup game.

 

I'm asking him to tweak it, and get the best of of what he has.

 

There are positive and sign of improvements in our patterns of play and structure but we are still not effective.

 

In his time here we have conceded 18 league goals, average 2.11 goals against per game.

 

We have scored 7 at an average of 0.77 per game.

 

We have fail to score in the last 3 home games. 

 

We are ineffective in both boxes, the business end.

 

He needs to improve things quickly.

 

Those stats are of a team that will go down without a fight.

 

What are you definition of great football? 

 

He been dealt a shit hand, but that was the job he accepted.

 

 

Progress is never made in a straight line, sometimes there are set backs. But for me the trend is of a clear improvement in performance and a style that’s beginning to become apparent.

 

my definition of great football??? There were passages of play yesterday that had me turning to my mate in appreciation and saying how good that move was. Our play actually made me smile!!! 

 

This squad is its best 5 players worse than the one we were promoted with. Ruud is making a difference…. It’s the Board that now need to step up and at least invest so that we’re as good as the promotion side (which most pundits would say needs £100m spending to get to Prem levels)

[Sol thewall Bamba]

If we sack him we'd just get some other poor bastard with the same shit players who don't care. There's no point. 

[TheGoldenGod]

2 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

I do think injuries have had a massive impact on our performances since Cooper left. Given the lack of quality in the squad overall, having Mads, Ricardo, Abdul and Wilf unavailable has been a fatal blow in my view. 

This is absolutely spot on by the way. Fatawu singlehandedly changed the outcome of that Southampton game...and Cooper didn't even start him. I dare anyone on this forum to suggest Cooper would have got the points he did without those players you've mentioned above. He had Saints and Ipswich btw too! A full pre-season and a full transfer window. Absolutely lobotomites if you think Ruud is the problem.

[indierich06]

I generally think the performances are good, and it's just the overall lack of quality - particularly defensively - that's letting us down. The players aren't good enough, or they're on the injury table. What can the manager realistically do?

[Number 6]

19 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

He's had 9 league games a 1/4 season, 10 if you add in the cup game.

 

I'm asking him to tweak it, and get the best of of what he has.

 

There are positive and sign of improvements in our patterns of play and structure but we are still not effective.

 

In his time here we have conceded 18 league goals, average 2.11 goals against per game.

 

We have scored 7 at an average of 0.77 per game.

 

We have fail to score in the last 3 home games. 

 

We are ineffective in both boxes, the business end.

 

He needs to improve things quickly.

 

Those stats are of a team that will go down without a fight.

 

What are you definition of great football? 

 

He been dealt a shit hand, but that was the job he accepted.

 

 

I don't think you're allowing for how shit the hand is though. He's lost our best player which we have shite cover for. 

 

If we start from the Wolves game we've conceded 12 from an xG of 7.5. Mads' stats suggest we'd have conceded 6-7 if he has been fit and available. That's a goal a game difference.

[Le Renard]

I don't think most managers can do something with our defence. That backline hasn't really changed since the 22/23 relegation season. It is no wonder that they look like rabbits caught in headlights at crucial moments, and the scars of 22/23 weigh heavily.  RVN needs to find his Huth because I don't see a leader to marshal the backline, Coady isn't that person, he may think he is, but the evidence doesn't seem to lie.  

 

[Izzy]

I think Ruud talks a good game, says the right things.
He’s bright, articulate, positive, and I sense the players respect him.

But he’s on a hiding to nothing with this squad and the injuries he’s inherited.

Time will tell but can’t see the point in getting rid of him now.
No one decent would want the job anyway.

Might as well give him time to build his own team in the hope he brings us straight back up. 

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Progress is never made in a straight line, sometimes there are set backs. But for me the trend is of a clear improvement in performance and a style that’s beginning to become apparent.

What metric are you measuring improvement, or just how pleasing it is on the eye? 

 

Losing 6 on the bounce scoring 2, and conceding 16 goals is some setback including being beaten by to relegation rival 0-2, 0-3 at home. 

 

2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

my definition of great football??? There were passages of play yesterday that had me turning to my mate in appreciation and saying how good that move was. Our play actually made me smile!!! 

I saw Burnley have loads of great passages of play and go down with a whimper. 

 

2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

This squad is its best 5 players worse than the one we were promoted with. Ruud is making a difference…. It’s the Board that now need to step up and at least invest so that we’re as good as the promotion side (which most pundits would say needs £100m spending to get to Prem levels)

We aren't spending that sort of money in this window, if we spend 25m plus I will be surprised.  

[Graceroad]

2 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

This is absolutely spot on by the way. Fatawu singlehandedly changed the outcome of that Southampton game...and Cooper didn't even start him. I dare anyone on this forum to suggest Cooper would have got the points he did without those players you've mentioned above. He had Saints and Ipswich btw too! A full pre-season and a full transfer window. Absolutely lobotomites if you think Ruud is the problem.

Steve Cooper is a curious one don't see anything in him that's impressive but yet somehow he's been successful everywhere. Great success with England at youth Level 2 play offs with Swansea worked miracles with Forest and managed nearly a point a game with the Foxes . Can we really just put it down to luck?

[LCFCCKEANO]

10 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

As Roy Keane would say they his job, his been brought into make a difference.

 

So we just give him a free pass? 

 

I've seen over 40s league teams play with more tempo and aggression.

 

Not a free pass, obviously you take the players available and how well we play into account, if we are playing well and conceding shit stupid goals no one else is because of individuals you can’t blame him, if it was a bad set up you can. Manager can’t be blamed if the one time they nick it off a midfielder pretty much all night our cbs can’t keep up with the big show, and then we let a 5’11 centre back walk onto a free kick from 40 yards out, whilst our striker misses 3/4 way better chances, not much a manager can do to fix that without new players

[coolhandfox]

5 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

I don't think you're allowing for how shit the hand is though. He's lost our best player which we have shite cover for. 

 

If we start from the Wolves game we've conceded 12 from an xG of 7.5. Mads' stats suggest we'd have conceded 6-7 if he has been fit and available. That's a goal a game difference.

How many goals have we scored in the time?

 

I'm not an RVN out by any stretch and hope he gets the reinforcement he needs, but he hasn't got a free pass. 

 

Losing 0-3 and 0-2 against relegation rivals at home isn't good enough.  

[RonnieTodger]

Some serious revisionism about Cooper. Does anyone think we’d have picked up more than 4pts from these games with him in charge?

 

He was blessed with luck. A fully fit squad and being played off the park every week.

 

Southampton and Ipswich both had 10 men, should’ve had a penalty and we somehow limped away with 4pts from those.

[Mike1983]

I think we have a problem when the fastest player on the pitch was a pitch invader.

[RowlattsFox]

I'll continue to say it, but lack of support from coaches is not helping him and still can't believe we've appointed someone and either not let them bring people in or someone that doesn't have any trusted coaches. 

[hejammy]

Those that are comparing Cooper to Ruud is just nonsense. Under Cooper we were dogshite, his recruitment of Ayew, Skipp, BDR is borderline criminal. Ruud has been left with a squad with inferior players, players who are just not motivated to play for the club and a 38 year old striker which we hope to rely on every week. I do feel for him, you can see the improvements but how to stop brain dead decision making and having the use Daka (or possible is the worst finisher in the history of LCFC) as a replacement for our ageing legend is really clutching at straws. We are down this season unless the recruitment in this window really surprises us. 

Edited 16 January by hejammy

[hejammy]

3 minutes ago, Mike1983 said:

I think we have a problem when the fastest player on the pitch was a pitch invader.

And more Agile than Vestergaard on a good day!

[brownfox]

Yesterday was a hard pill to swallow, at times we played some really good football especially first half and if I’m honest Vardy should have finished 2 of the chances he had. One he hit at keeper and the second he took it early on the volley when really he should have took a touch and shot. When it wasn’t working RVN showed he had a plan B which he went to 442 and we created chances. He can only use the players he’s got so I’m not sure what else he could have done. The recruitment has been poor there’s no doubt so when you look at the bench there is no game changers on there. I am not giving up on the team yet just need to get the run of the green.

[daddylonglegs]

8 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Some serious revisionism about Cooper. Does anyone think we’d have picked up more than 4pts from these games with him in charge?

 

He was blessed with luck. A fully fit squad and being played off the park every week.

 

Southampton and Ipswich both had 10 men, should’ve had a penalty and we somehow limped away with 4pts from those.

It is pointless making sensible comments like this when people are emotional though. The reality is you can look at it from your perspective (Someone who evidently watches the matches and draws conclusions beyond what the final score was) and from the perspective of someone who looks at the league table, nothing else. 

[Matt]

Last night we went from really quite good to clueless in a blink of an eye.

 

I’ve seen this script before and fear the clueless part was by design though which is more of a concern than how quickly it happened.

 

Edited 16 January by Matt

[daddylonglegs]

I much prefer how we play under Ruud but realistically, all I want is to stay in the division & start again in the summer (Ambitious I know). 

 

So... Sean Dyche is available. Could we....

 

[StanSP]

Knowing our basket case of a club we'll give Ruud the whole of January, not back him fully to get better players in, sack him after the window closes, then wonder why the new manager also can't get a tune out of the overpaid showmen on the pitch. 

 

With there seemingly being no strategy and not backing a manager who has clearly got us playing better football, we won't go anywhere. Changing the manager isn't the problem. 

 

The people higher up are the issue, but they're too far up each other's arses to notice. Not giving him the opportunity to improve the squad significantly because of their own mismanagement is the problem. Not saying Ruud doesn't have his faults but he's so far down the list of bad things at the club it'd be utterly pointless to sack him now and waste money doing so. 

[RonnieTodger]

The subs seemed mental at the time but they did make an instant impact, in fairness.

 

Obviously didn’t work in the long run. 

[Clever Fox]

There's been huge improvement since he came in. You can see clear patterns of play and chances created, we just aren't taking them. 

 

You cant blame him for what he inherited and there is no magic wand. It takes time and effort.

 

He can only play the players available and we're missing Wilf and Fats particularly along with Ricardo. And the Bench is poor.

 

They are 3 big losses and the recruitment under Cooper was terrible.

 

Ruud has to be given the time and the chance to bring in his own players regardless of results while he turns things around.

 

If that leads to relegation so be it. We've been there before.  And will rise again.

 

 

[Graceroad]

22 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Those that are comparing Cooper to Ruud is just nonsense. Under Cooper we were dogshite, his recruitment of Ayew, Skipp, BDR is borderline criminal. Ruud has been left with a squad with inferior players, players who are just not motivated to play for the club and a 38 year old striker which we hope to rely on every week. I do feel for him, you can see the improvements but how to stop brain dead decision making and having the use Daka (or possible is the worst finisher in the history of LCFC) as a replacement for our aging legend is really clutching at straws. We are down this season unless the recruitment in this window really surprises us. 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing BDR played 33 times in a very good Fulham side last season and scored 6 goals he was a good signing on paper that's just not worked out Ayrew is a useful squad player and has scored important goals agree Skipp was a poor signing