Ruud out - has to go

[coolhandfox]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Oh **** me, are we back with this nonsense? 

 

Yes we do. 

 

For a start, Bilal and Facundo are excellent, as is Winks, Soumaré actually has fantastic technical ability when he's on it, Mavididi is a very skillful player, even Ayew and BDCR are technically capable enough to play the football Enzo coached. 

 

And we saw a good manager could even get mileage out of Hamza and Wilf playing progressive football. 

 

The idea that you need a team full of Ronaldinhos is a load of rubbish. 

 

What you need above all else if you want to play progressive, possession based football is good coaching. It's a highly structured, system based way of playing and good coaching and good patterns of play are absolutely key. Watch Man City at their best, that isn't spontaneity, it's extremely good organisation. 

 

Cooper was absolutely abysmal and it's not really Ruud's strength either. 

 

You can say something similar about defending, too. It's about organisation and coaching just as its about the individual qualities of the players. You gave our current squad a full pre season working with Diego Simeone and you'd see significant improvement. Not suggesting they'd be the best defence in the league but capable of a few more clean sheets for sure. 

 

We don't have a perfect squad. At all. I'm not suggesting we do. But this idea that it's all hopeless and our players aren't good enough and we're doomed with them is just nonsense. But they absolutely do need solid direction, instruction and leadership and they still haven't had it since Enzo left. 

 

We replaced Enzo with a manager who wasn't good enough and then we replaced him with a manager who isn't good enough but is famous. 

 

I think your right except our CF and wide options are incredibly poor.

 

They are worse then out Championship squad.

 

We had 4 strikers :Daka, Vardy, Nacho and Cannon.

 

Wide players: Mavididi, Fatawu, McAteer and Akgun.

 

We know have:

 

Vardy, Daka

 

Wide: Mavididi, McAteer, BDCR and Ayew.

 

 

[Corky]

How close was Potter to taking it in the summer? I'm not his biggest admirer but he is clearly better than the last two choices. 

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

7 defeats in a row. Second from bottom and a second relegation in 3 years says otherwise. 
 

You coach what you’re given. With better players but lacking tactical ability, even Puel struggled until we replaced them with better technical players. Same with Bournemouth. Same with Brighton. They can all go out and play in a structured way but the reality is, where that technical ability is lacking, the style will fail as a result. 
 

People are forgetting that despite Ruud’s inexperience, since Liverpool we have had Brian Barry Murphy in as first team coach - a highly rated, ingrained with Pep’s style and a good friend of Enzo. He has been with these players, coaching them daily. As an assistant, he’s probably exactly what we needed. 
 

Let me rephrase it, this squad is not good enough to play progressive football effectively at this level. Quite simply, I have no idea what style will work with them 

 

I'd agree with this, if 7 defeats in a row isn't enough to convince you that maybe the system needs changing to adapt to the available players then I don't know what will.

 

Repeating the same thing with the same players will yield the same results. Switching things up would be an acknowledgement of that and a step forward in my opinion.

 

That's not to say we have to switch to Cooper 11 men in our own box mode. But clearly we need a more stable defensive structure and we need to find a way to get 4 players involved in attacks. Because atm, we're leaky and we look toothless in attack, despite having more of the ball.

 

I'll always maintain that possession is pointless if you have no intention of trying to score goals with it. No matter how many sexy bald managers insist that it's the only way to play football regardless of players available.

 

It's up to Ruud to find that combination that will work for the players available. Clearly, the current setup is not the optimal one.

[Winstonthedog]

27 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

Blaming Ruud under the current board and set of players is very harsh. 

You think so ..... the state of the club and playing staff are clear to see ... he didn't walk in with his eyes shut ....must have took some advice 

[trooky]

10 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

his subs are often questionable. Brings BEK off at around the same time every match while he's running the show as much as we're putting one on, leaves on very ineffective wingers. It's very much like how Rodgers always seemed to have his subs preplanned and wasn't reacting at all to what was happening on the pitch. 

At least he put BEK in the starting team and has been a revelation. 

 

He's still young, never had a pre-season with us and maybe he  needs his minutes managing or something. 

 

Only last year I would constantly read on FT that Enzo was stubborn and wouldn't make changes.

 

Now we have a manager who's brave and prepared to make changes and he's getting pelters. 

 

We just have to accept the club has had a massive fall from grace.

 

We can either dwell on the past mistakes and be guaranteed to be relegated in all our negativity or at least try and be positive and support the team no matter how shit they are, so they have a fighting chance. 

 

Nobody excels in a toxic negative environment. 

 

 

[South Shire Fox]

11 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s not like he’s getting lots of game time to get into any rhythm. Some players need that. 
he maybe in poor form, lacking confidence -  he may need more game time but he’s not nearly as bad as some are making out on here. 

Not convinced hes Prem level or understood why we bought him but he’ll deffo be useful next season in the Championship

[Mickyblueeyes]

16 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Not sure what they’re doing in training but when VK, BEK and mavs were with possession on the left side there seemed to be no pre conceived pattern of play to take us to a cross from behind their full back or to break into the penalty area. Fulham on their left side had many as we saw through the game. (And changing their wide players too ).  
 

 

In training ? Judging by the videos, some really cool Rondos. Followed by smiles and giggles. 

[Winstonthedog]

3 hours ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Can we afford not to? He doesn't seem to know what to do. 

Sacking Van Noidea only shows the clubs incompetence.... he needs to walk of his own choice .... the rot starts at the Top and this is what needs to be sorted first 

[tcrofts]

4 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said:

Sacking Van Noidea only shows the clubs incompetence.... he needs to walk of his own choice .... the rot starts at the Top and this is what needs to be sorted first 

You're really proud of yourself for coming up with Van Noidea aren't you? 🤣

[Chelmofox]

17 minutes ago, Corky said:

How close was Potter to taking it in the summer? I'm not his biggest admirer but he is clearly better than the last two choices. 

West Ham beaten by Palace yesterday 0-2 at home. Jury out on him as well.

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

In training ? Judging by the videos, some really cool Rondos. Followed by smiles and giggles. 

Wouldn’t expect them to showcase our patterns of play but then not to have any means that the opposition can’t find out about them …….  Clever eh !

[coolhandfox]

What do you expect when the club build a squad with no pace or Physicality.

 

Keep him for now, we are going down, no point throwing more money away.

[Sly]

I’m really torn on this.

 

Clearly we are a mess right now and missing players that are key. 
 

Cooper played dreadful football but had us outside the bottom three. 
 

You could argue that we’ve looked 2nd best in every game this season, however have nicked points. 
 

Now my issue with Ruud currently is that despite Cooper playing horrendous football, he was nicking more points that Ruud. We are playing better football but have somehow become less effective. We are currently conceding more and scoring less. 
 

I wanted Cooper gone, however I’m starting to think that maybe Ruud wasn’t the man to replace him. 

[FoxTimmy2]

Just now, Sly said:

I’m really torn on this.

 

Clearly we are a mess right now and missing players that are key. 
 

Cooper played dreadful football but had us outside the bottom three. 
 

You could argue that we’ve looked 2nd best in every game this season, however have nicked points. 
 

Now my issue with Ruud currently is that despite Cooper playing horrendous football, he was nicking more points that Ruud. We are playing better football but have somehow become less effective. We are currently conceding more and scoring less. 
 

I wanted Cooper gone, however I’m starting to think that maybe Ruud wasn’t the man to replace him. 

If I recall right you also wanted Enzo gone, so surely Ruud needs to go?

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 hours ago, trooky said:

At least he put BEK in the starting team and has been a revelation. 

 

He's still young, never had a pre-season with us and maybe he  needs his minutes managing or something. 

 

Only last year I would constantly read on FT that Enzo was stubborn and wouldn't make changes.

 

Now we have a manager who's brave and prepared to make changes and he's getting pelters. 

 

We just have to accept the club has had a massive fall from grace.

 

We can either dwell on the past mistakes and be guaranteed to be relegated in all our negativity or at least try and be positive and support the team no matter how shit they are, so they have a fighting chance. 

 

Nobody excels in a toxic negative environment. 

 

 

Being positive will get us no where. We need to be voicing opinions and getting Top, Rudkin and the board out. 
 

I’m honestly sick of this happy clappy nonsense, that’s what has gotten us into this mess over the past few years, because we’ve continually allowed people (Top, Rudkin, Rodgers) to make bad decisions and feared to criticise them because of past accomplishments. 
 

You be positive and we go down what then? Be positive again next season? Because nobody excels in a toxic negative environment? It’s bull. 

[Sly]

11 minutes ago, FoxTimmy2 said:

If I recall right you also wanted Enzo gone, so surely Ruud needs to go?

I wasn’t fully against Enzo but he’s got one system and when it wasn’t working he wouldn’t adapt. At that point I’d have debated changing him.  He had major brain farts with in game management as well. I had major doubts when we wobbled but he turned it around. So fair play to him. I’m still on the fence with how he’ll do long term. It’s so difficult to judge as I’d have liked to have seen how he’d have gotten along in this league with us. 
 

I was against Cooper from the start, as pre season was a disaster. 
 

I wouldn’t be against canning Ruud but the lack of back room staff, bizarre transfer activity, cult of King Power, major financial constraints and stone wall blindness about the situation from the club, makes me think they are at ease with the situation. 

 

We look like a basket case of a club that is capitulating from the inside. 
 

We can’t continue like this. 

Edited 19 January by Sly

[jv1]

The absolute maddest thing considering how absolutely horrible we have been and all the terrible decisions and we are only 2 points off 4th bottom - if they managed to get someone decent in and chucked 100m at it over the next 2 weeks we would still have a great chance of staying up - of course none of those things will happen 

[Paninistickers]

In the olden days there was an art to management. Managers used to look at the available squad and the devise a plan according to their talents (or lack of) 

 

I accept this Dutch fella is being asked to make a silk purse. But, instead of attempting to get a system suitable to the limited resources, managers now (Russell and Kompany etc)  lay down a system and stick with it regardless. As is this Dutch fella (I don't like his name,) with 4231 with the same personnel. 

 

First thing to ever look at is, what do we have that the oppo won't like? I know this pre dates the Dutch fella, but we had Souttar and Vesty available in July. Personally, idy have thought....I don't really fancy Faes or Vesty or Souttar or Coady or Okoli at this level week in week out, so I'll play two big fckers and give the opposition something to think about. 

 

Likewise up front. Daka can't reliably score but put him and Mavididi up top and lump the ****ing ball into the channels if needed to relieve some pressure. Get the fcking opposition turning back to their own goal

 

Basic basic stuff when you have a crap hand

 

 

 

Edited 19 January by Paninistickers
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[trooky]

15 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Being positive will get us no where. We need to be voicing opinions and getting Top, Rudkin and the board out. 
 

I’m honestly sick of this happy clappy nonsense, that’s what has gotten us into this mess over the past few years, because we’ve continually allowed people (Top, Rudkin, Rodgers) to make bad decisions and feared to criticise them because of past accomplishments. 
 

You be positive and we go down what then? Be positive again next season? Because nobody excels in a toxic negative environment? It’s bull. 

It's not happy clappy nonsense, whatever that means.

 

Criticise them all you like, but that has nothing to do with the players who need support.

 

You need a reality check, Leicester have no devine right to be in the Premier League and if they go down so what. 

 

The current owners and DOF have overseen the most successful period in our history winning the PL and FA Cup and deserve more respect than the parasites on here show. 

 

Continued success is unsustainable for clubs our size, we over spent trying to maintain the dream and now we're paying the price.

 

The board have made mistakes, so have Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool.

 

All teams with far greater standing in the EPL than little Leicester, yet we've won the PL more recently than 2 of the 3.

 

We've had our greatest day in our history and we'll never achieve that in any of our life times again.

 

So get over it and go down with some class instead of a behaving like a spoilt child. 

 

Edited 20 January by trooky

[iancognito]

The guys had ten games. Yes made some poor calls including yesterday but who is left to get better results at this stage if the season? The club needs quality bringing in. Losing Fatawu and then Hermansen has been a blow. Do we really have spare cash to be paying off another manager? The focus needs to be the board. Back the manager and the players and get rid of the people that traded financial security for gambles and poor recruitment.

[OwnGoal]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

In the olden days there was an art to management. Managers used to look at the available squad and the devise a plan according to their talents (or lack of) 

 

I accept this Dutch fella is being asked to make a silk purse. But, instead of attempting to crate said ourselves, managers now (Russell and Kompany etc)  lay down a system and stick with it regardless. As is this Dutch fella (I don't like his name,) with 4231 with the same personnel. 

 

First thing to ever look at is, what do we have that the oppo won't like? I know this pre dates the Dutch fella, but we had Souttar and Vesty available in July. Personally, idy have thought....I don't really fancy Faes or Vesty or Souttar or Coady or Okoli at this level week in week out, so I'll play two big fckers and give the opposition something to think about. 

 

Likewise up front. Daka can't reliably score but put him and Mavididi up top and lump the ****ing ball into the channels if needed to relieve some pressure. Get the fcking opposition turning back to their own goal

 

Basic basic stuff when you have a crap hand

 

 

 

When your opponent is better class than you you’ve got to attempt to play the game where it’s almost a different sport. Rough the pitch up, make playing pretty football impossible. Make yourself horrible to play against. Be direct. Or we can just idly play in the same manner as our opponents  who are better than us and wait for them to finally pick us off. 

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, OwnGoal said:

When your opponent is better class than you you’ve got to attempt to play the game where it’s almost a different sport. Rough the pitch up, make playing pretty football impossible. Make yourself horrible to play against. Be direct. Or we can just idly play in the same manner as our opponents  who are better than us and wait for them to finally pick us off. 

Exactly that.

[Mickyblueeyes]

5 minutes ago, trooky said:

It's not happy clappy nonsense, whatever that means.

 

Criticise them all you like, but that has nothing to do with the players who need support.

 

You need a reality check, Leicester have no devine right to be in the Premier League and if they go down so what. 

 

The current owners and DOF have overseen the most successful period in our history winning the PL and FA Cup and deserve more respect than the parasites on here show. 

 

Continued success is unsustainable for clubs our size, we over spent trying to maintain the dream and now we're paying the price.

 

They've board have made mistakes, so have Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool.

 

All teams with far greater standing in the EPL than little Leicester, yet we've won the PL more recently than 2 of the 3.

 

We've had our greatest day in our history and we'll never achieve that in any of our life times again.

 

So get over it and go down with some class instead of a behaving like a spoilt child. 

 

What is your definition of what respect looks like regarding the DOF ?

[Fox92]

2 minutes ago, trooky said:

It's not happy clappy nonsense, whatever that means.

 

Criticise them all you like, but that has nothing to do with the players who need support.

 

You need a reality check, Leicester have no devine right to be in the Premier League and if they go down so what. 

 

The current owners and DOF have overseen the most successful period in our history winning the PL and FA Cup and deserve more respect than the parasites on here show. 

 

Continued success is unsustainable for clubs our size, we over spent trying to maintain the dream and now we're paying the price.

 

They've board have made mistakes, so have Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool.

 

All teams with far greater standing in the EPL than little Leicester, yet we've won the PL more recently than 2 of the 3.

 

We've had our greatest day in our history and we'll never achieve that in any of our life times again.

 

So get over it and go down with some class instead of a behaving like a spoilt child. 

 

Of course we have no divine right to be in the top flight, no team does, but I'd like to see us as a stable top flight club and not relegated.

 

We over spent on really bad players. I wish people would kill this idea that we over spent to compete. You do that by actually spending on good players. We signed rubbish players, put them on stupid contracts and we are now paying the price for it. No other club would continually reward rubbish with contracts, large contracts at that. 

 

How can people "get over it". We're in a relegation battle.

[Paninistickers]

7 minutes ago, trooky said:

It's not happy clappy nonsense, whatever that means.

 

Criticise them all you like, but that has nothing to do with the players who need support.

 

You need a reality check, Leicester have no devine right to be in the Premier League and if they go down so what. 

 

The current owners and DOF have overseen the most successful period in our history winning the PL and FA Cup and deserve more respect than the parasites on here show. 

 

Continued success is unsustainable for clubs our size, we over spent trying to maintain the dream and now we're paying the price.

 

They've board have made mistakes, so have Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool.

 

All teams with far greater standing in the EPL than little Leicester, yet we've won the PL more recently than 2 of the 3.

 

We've had our greatest day in our history and we'll never achieve that in any of our life times again.

 

So get over it and go down with some class instead of a behaving like a spoilt child. 

 

Absolute clown post. 

 

I have no issue with being garbage or relegation or whatever. It's the charge sheet longer than a grooming gang in Rotherham that's caused this catastrophic collapse. 

 

From wild contracts. To contract rundowns. To 15 seconds. To Ward. To playing brinkmanship with PSR (even as far back as 10 years ago when we bought off the EFL). To refusing to seel tickets. To the lack of succession planning. To changes of playing style. I literally could go on all day. 

 

It's nothing to do with 'devine (sic) right' or 'greatest day in our history'

 

What an absolute simp post