Championship 2025/26 Season

[21st Century Fox]

[FrankieADZ]

51 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Oooooft I was certain it was the play offs n all

i think most do given the celebrations during the elland road game but alas it was during the season

[Corky]

1 hour ago, HoChiMinhFOX said:

This is my favourite one so far from them😂

It isn't a miscarriage of justice but it is an overreaction.

[FrankieADZ]

we await the apology......

[MrSpaM]

They are absolutely bang to rights with the stuff coming out in the past hour, can't believe their fans are still trying to defend it

 

They were literally pressuring inturns to live stream them training sessions, and lied about even doing it in the first place

Edited 21 May by MrSpaM

[Osavo]

55 minutes ago, Corky said:

It isn't a miscarriage of justice but it is an overreaction.

So if it's not a miscarriage of justice, what would an appropriate reaction have been?

[FrankieADZ]

34 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

They are absolutely bang to rights with the stuff coming out in the past hour, can't believe their fans are still trying to defend it

 

They were literally pressuring inturns to live stream them training sessions, and lied about even doing it in the first place

the more and more that comes out the worse it gets, you actually feel sorry for the younger lads as theyve more than likely been pressured into doing the spying, more than likely threated with potentially losing their jobs

Edited 21 May by FrankieADZ

[Corky]

41 minutes ago, Osavo said:

So if it's not a miscarriage of justice, what would an appropriate reaction have been?

A heavy fine.

[21st Century Fox]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

A heavy fine.

How much of a heavy fine is enough of a deterrent to potentially gaining £200m?

[Corky]

2 minutes ago, 21st Century Fox said:

How much of a heavy fine is enough of a deterrent to potentially gaining £200m?

£5-10 million? I just don't see this as a huge deal, to be honest. Players diving has a bigger material impact on a result than observing a training session. So yeah, I think throwing teams out for this is too far, personally.

[Number 6]

It did appear that Tonda had instilled a shithouse mentality there during the playoffs. Was surprised watching their antics during that game to be honest with the ball boys and stuff.

[LCFCJohn]

I think people are focusing on Southampton's punishment as a comparison with big clubs rather than in its own rights. Their punishment is probably fair, maybe the deduction next season is a excessive which I thought they added to be the leverage in an appeal to to fair, whilst retaining the actual punishment (out the play offs). 
 

But as always, when smaller teams like Southampton, us, Forest and Everton as well as further down the pyramid get punished, the question always goes to what about the bigger clubs. Not just the Man City thing but that pathetic fine for Chelsea recently. Or the lack of anything for Man Utd for their spending. But Man City and Chelsea mainly. 
 

If the authorities dealt with these with enough proportion, there wouldn’t be as much said. Obviously before anyone says anything, he’s different authorities with PL and EFL and different misdemeanours. But we know the PL were quick to punish the rest of us. The EFL are fairly consistent I guess!

[Scotch]

9 hours ago, Corky said:

It isn't a miscarriage of justice but it is an overreaction.

IMO, it was the only fair punishment available to them. 

 

Southampton cheated to gain a SPORTING advantage so I believe that the punishment should be a SPORTING one and this is the only SPORTING punishment that the EFL could impose AND enforce. They didn't really have another option. 

[HP1]

21 games unbeaten and beating Arsenal in the quarter finals of the FA cup and they still win nothing this season.....and start next season in the championship....and on -4 points....and probably sack their manager. Hilarious. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot and completely imploding. 

 

Ah well, at least its made them relevant for a couple of weeks.

Edited 22 May by HP1
Addendum

[The Bear]

Deserve everything they've gotten after those written reasons. 

 

If it makes no sporting difference then why bother doing it?

 

Absolute full of shit excuses. 

[HoChiMinhFOX]

11 hours ago, Corky said:

It isn't a miscarriage of justice but it is an overreaction.

I mean they cheated their way to the play-offs. It can't be a coincidence that they went on a 20-odd game undefeated run and then this comes out, and they've miraculously only spied on two opponents. I know correlation doesn't equal causation, but I'm sure there are more dots to be connected and I doubt the story ends here. That entire run will be under review.

 

I feel like the general consensus on here was that we cheated our way to the title under Maresca (although I'm sure others might not feel that way) and whilst we were retroactively punished, it takes time with these financial matters. However, they've blatantly broken the rules and got caught red-handed. I don't really see this as anything other than a black and white ruling, although I do understand the comparison with the Bielsa situation, and you could argue they probably should've been penalised more severely. 

[Corky]

2 hours ago, Scotch said:

IMO, it was the only fair punishment available to them. 

 

Southampton cheated to gain a SPORTING advantage so I believe that the punishment should be a SPORTING one and this is the only SPORTING punishment that the EFL could impose AND enforce. They didn't really have another option. 

 

45 minutes ago, HoChiMinhFOX said:

I mean they cheated their way to the play-offs. It can't be a coincidence that they went on a 20-odd game undefeated run and then this comes out, and they've miraculously only spied on two opponents. I know correlation doesn't equal causation, but I'm sure there are more dots to be connected and I doubt the story ends here. That entire run will be under review.

 

I feel like the general consensus on here was that we cheated our way to the title under Maresca (although I'm sure others might not feel that way) and whilst we were retroactively punished, it takes time with these financial matters. However, they've blatantly broken the rules and got caught red-handed. I don't really see this as anything other than a black and white ruling, although I do understand the comparison with the Bielsa situation, and you could argue they probably should've been penalised more severely. 

All valid. I think my issue is, where does it stop? If they had been spying all season, isn't there a case that all opponents could claim the result should be void?

 

I, like others, am just weary of complaining, commissions, court cases and the fact clubs love to complain they are hard done by whilst also being holier than thou.

 

Southampton were stupid to do this and I don't really know how !such they would gain from it as matches are full of variables and uncontrollables. Yes, they had a long unbeaten run but they also have a very good side for this level, it isn't that unlikely.

 

Anyway, the decision is done, we differ on the punishment levels and we will see who wins tomorrow.

[Manwell Pablo]

7 minutes ago, Corky said:

 

All valid. I think my issue is, where does it stop? If they had been spying all season, isn't there a case that all opponents could claim the result should be void?

 

I, like others, an just weary of complaining, commissions, court cases and the fact clubs love to complain they are hard done by whilst also being holier than thou.

 

Southampton were stupid to do this and I don't really know how !such they would gain from it as matches are full of variables and uncontrollables. Yes, they had a long unbeaten run but they also have a very good side for this level, it isn't that unlikely.

 

Anyway, the decision is done, we differ on the punishment levels and we will see who wins tomorrow.

Again this is not a hard one it stops with the games they’ve been charged with as that’s where the evidence is. 

[Gamble92]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Again this is not a hard one it stops with the games they’ve been charged with as that’s where the evidence is. 

Evidence for now 

[Foxin_Mad]

I think relegation in place of Leicester is really the only suitable punishment, because we have taken so much shite off them over the years! 

[messerschmitt]

5 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I think people are focusing on Southampton's punishment as a comparison with big clubs rather than in its own rights. Their punishment is probably fair, maybe the deduction next season is a excessive which I thought they added to be the leverage in an appeal to to fair, whilst retaining the actual punishment (out the play offs). 
 

But as always, when smaller teams like Southampton, us, Forest and Everton as well as further down the pyramid get punished, the question always goes to what about the bigger clubs. Not just the Man City thing but that pathetic fine for Chelsea recently. Or the lack of anything for Man Utd for their spending. But Man City and Chelsea mainly. 
 

If the authorities dealt with these with enough proportion, there wouldn’t be as much said. Obviously before anyone says anything, he’s different authorities with PL and EFL and different misdemeanours. But we know the PL were quick to punish the rest of us. The EFL are fairly consistent I guess!

I found an article about teams having points deductions dating back to the start of the Premier League. The smaller teams have had points deductions totalling 418 points, and that doesn't include last season's. To my recollection, the big six have not had any, as you mentioned, Man City and Chelsea, but there's also the incident when they all quit the Premier League for a few days and were going to receive significant punishments.

[Mark_w]

24 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think relegation in place of Leicester is really the only suitable punishment, because we have taken so much shite off them over the years! 

They’d be mad not to have a go at selling us the points deduction

[Foxin_Mad]

52 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

They’d be mad not to have a go at selling us the points deduction

Dudkin is on the phone, soon to be announced at the 5000/1 parade 

[Terraloon]

1 hour ago, messerschmitt said:

I found an article about teams having points deductions dating back to the start of the Premier League. The smaller teams have had points deductions totalling 418 points, and that doesn't include last season's. To my recollection, the big six have not had any, as you mentioned, Man City and Chelsea, but there's also the incident when they all quit the Premier League for a few days and were going to receive significant punishments.

Re The Super league.

The six clubs that signed up for the SL didn’t  quit the PL. What they agreed to do was play in a non sanctioned competition. The trouble was that a sanction could only have been imposed if they actually had played in the competition .

Re Premier League Clubs having points deductions

 

From memory it’s only 4  clubs who actually have suffered PL points deductions

 Everton 6 points.    Two FFP matters

 Forest 4 points.       One FFP matter

Middlesbough 3 Points.    Failing to turn up for a fixture

Portsmouth  9 points . Administration 

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 May by Terraloon

[FrankieADZ]

3 hours ago, Corky said:

 

All valid. I think my issue is, where does it stop? If they had been spying all season, isn't there a case that all opponents could claim the result should be void?

 

I, like others, am just weary of complaining, commissions, court cases and the fact clubs love to complain they are hard done by whilst also being holier than thou.

 

Southampton were stupid to do this and I don't really know how !such they would gain from it as matches are full of variables and uncontrollables. Yes, they had a long unbeaten run but they also have a very good side for this level, it isn't that unlikely.

 

Anyway, the decision is done, we differ on the punishment levels and we will see who wins tomorrow.

tbf its pretty level thinking from the EFL in terms of throwing them out of the play offs, as they class them as a separate knock out competition compared to the league, and they kicked Swindon out the Vertu Trophy earlier this season for fielding 2 ineligible players

but looking deeper at the whole transcript the EFL released on it, they deserved it....for lying in regards evidence in the first place etc