RVN needs to go.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

Time to go Ruud me ol' fruit 

[TrentFox]

Three points from 33. 10 losses in 11. It’s absolutely untenable. A complete, abject surrender and totally and utterly out of his depth. But still he has a job. There really can only be one explanation - that we can’t afford to sack him. It’s tempting to say that it’s because the club have given up and are taking us for mugs, but that’s just an anger statement. Of course they want to stay up. So what else could possibly justify this clown still being in post apart from the finances of parting ways? 

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, fox in the sox said:

This is a bit silly as 2 of the last 4 full time appointments have been a success.

Speaking of the last four appointments, it's worth adding that the successful 'first two' have their share of the blame for where we are now.

 

Rodgers recruited poorly, with his success depending on the youth set-up, and the Pearson-to-Puel era squad-building. Obviously his negligence led to the first relegation. Maresca had the most expensive second tier squad ever, and still nearly blew promotion, with us falling well short of automatic promotion form in the second half of last season. He also introduced a possession-based game which was simply never going to work at this level with the squad we've got, then buggered off, leaving us scrambling for a more tactically flexible manager. It was the worst kind of short-termism.

[Nickaj]

1 minute ago, TrentFox said:

Three points from 33. 10 losses in 11. It’s absolutely untenable. A complete, abject surrender and totally and utterly out of his depth. But still he has a job. There really can only be one explanation - that we can’t afford to sack him. It’s tempting to say that it’s because the club have given up and are taking us for mugs, but that’s just an anger statement. Of course they want to stay up. So what else could possibly justify this clown still being in post apart from the finances of parting ways? 

 

 

If Ruud was Top's choice, sacking him would require Top to admit he made a mistake in appointing him.

Don't think Top would be keen on doing that - would mean him losing 'face'.

[lcfcbluearmy]

1 hour ago, fox in the sox said:

This is a bit silly as 2 of the last 4 full time appointments have been a success.

Mate if you can't see all the mistakes Rudkin is making and think that this is just about the last couple of managerial appointments then you are an ostrich

[Hales]

I'm surprised he hasn't walked this morning

[cityfanlee23]

I keep saying this, and I will continue to. It's all good and well saying "No manager would keep this lot up" (this of course is probably nonsense) 
Even if we park this issue and accept relegation, please, someone tell me, what is Ruud doing right now to prove he is going to rebuild us in the championship and bring us up at the first time of asking? 

Systems take time, and foundations take time to build, but there HAS to be something that shows it can work long-term, under Pearson we were on a torrid run most of the season, but we were playing well for the majority of games and were losing to 1 mistake, we were actually in games and should have been nicking points, under Ruud we are down and out the moment we conceded, and we are getting absolutely hammered, we have absolutely zero defensive structure or grit, zero attacking awareness or movement. 
What is Ruud doing that is justifying so much defence for him? The team is awful, he's inherited 5+ years of mistakes, but what is HE doing that is actually showing any promise? 

What is the evidence that he can drop down to the championship and rebuild us on a VERY tight budget to build a team and foundation of play that can be promoted, and stay up? 

[Parker Pen]

He is the wrong fit for our club! Too many wrong fits appointed but occasionally we have struck gold with the likes of Brian Little, Martin O’Neil, Nigel Pearson and Claudio Ranieri. All had great leadership qualities!

[String fellow]

This is RvN explaining just how wide the gap is between his own management skills and those of every other manager in the PL.

[Analysethis]

Unfortunately the hatred for Cooper duped many of our delusional fans in thinking we were signing RVN the striker and not the questionable manager.

 

Cooper was judged on more his background as a Forest man and even some I read in here didnt like his looks LOL. You couldnt script it. Considering he had no money and could only add players probably worse than what we had, ended up keeping forgotten men like Soumare and Kristensen who most of us thought had zero chance of getting back into the team (I wish they were punted out personally) its obvious to say we dropped a knad making this managerial change when we did.

 

RVN has arguably been the worst manager we have had, We do not look organised, the gap between defence and midfield is scary, we have some decent players but he keeps picking largely the same team and tactics even after heavy defeats. He seems quite stubborn and not a risk taker which when you are down, you probably need to be. Worrying he doesnt look passionate or a motivator, probably because he knows he is out of his depth.

 

Time to go as it cant get any worse.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

39 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I keep saying this, and I will continue to. It's all good and well saying "No manager would keep this lot up" (this of course is probably nonsense) 
Even if we park this issue and accept relegation, please, someone tell me, what is Ruud doing right now to prove he is going to rebuild us in the championship and bring us up at the first time of asking? 
 

I agree with all you have said and was making similar points last night.

 

There’s been no evidence of game plans against opponents threats or perceived weaknesses, it’s always been here’s our formation, here’s our players and here’s a loose idea for pattern of play that requires one of our full backs to be 50 yards further forward than the rest of the defence.

 

I also don’t get why Cooper and Ruud were at pains to state how poor the squad was; you have to be building the players up, challenging them to meet this level.

 

I also think Ruud missed a trick with Monga - he could have chucked him a debut with a message to the other 10 “let’s make sure this is a special day for him to remember” sort of thing.

 

Mean, yes, from the clips I’ve seen of him and Evans, I do question whether they’re physically ready for the step to this level - but to be frank, the squad needs a positive catalyst towards change.

 

There’s also an argument this could have been done with Alves prior to his loan.

[iancognito]

You cannot keep starting the same players week in week out and watching them fail to do what you (supposedly) asked them to do. As frustrating as Mavididi is, he's a bigger threat than Ayew. However much you've fallen out with Facundo, he's a class above BDR. Better to go down trying to score than keep setting us up to not concede and still conceding.

 

All that said, no idea who comes in for 14 games and does better against the next 6 or 7 teams. They're still working with gutless, delusional workshy importers.

[Shaun the fox 1]

Vardy as player manager 

[Wink84]

2 hours ago, tickler28 said:

To the shops?

Yeah pasta pot from morrisons will cheer him up

[Leicester_Loyal]

18 minutes ago, Analysethis said:

Unfortunately the hatred for Cooper duped many of our delusional fans in thinking we were signing RVN the striker and not the questionable manager.

 

Cooper was judged on more his background as a Forest man and even some I read in here didnt like his looks LOL. You couldnt script it. Considering he had no money and could only add players probably worse than what we had, ended up keeping forgotten men like Soumare and Kristensen who most of us thought had zero chance of getting back into the team (I wish they were punted out personally) its obvious to say we dropped a knad making this managerial change when we did.

 

RVN has arguably been the worst manager we have had, We do not look organised, the gap between defence and midfield is scary, we have some decent players but he keeps picking largely the same team and tactics even after heavy defeats. He seems quite stubborn and not a risk taker which when you are down, you probably need to be. Worrying he doesnt look passionate or a motivator, probably because he knows he is out of his depth.

 

Time to go as it cant get any worse.

Not having this, the bloke spent 60m on absolute dross. And Edouard is probably our worst ever loan signing, certainly in terms of value for money anyway.

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I keep saying this, and I will continue to. It's all good and well saying "No manager would keep this lot up" (this of course is probably nonsense) 
Even if we park this issue and accept relegation, please, someone tell me, what is Ruud doing right now to prove he is going to rebuild us in the championship and bring us up at the first time of asking? 

Systems take time, and foundations take time to build, but there HAS to be something that shows it can work long-term, under Pearson we were on a torrid run most of the season, but we were playing well for the majority of games and were losing to 1 mistake, we were actually in games and should have been nicking points, under Ruud we are down and out the moment we conceded, and we are getting absolutely hammered, we have absolutely zero defensive structure or grit, zero attacking awareness or movement. 
What is Ruud doing that is justifying so much defence for him? The team is awful, he's inherited 5+ years of mistakes, but what is HE doing that is actually showing any promise? 

What is the evidence that he can drop down to the championship and rebuild us on a VERY tight budget to build a team and foundation of play that can be promoted, and stay up? 

The risk is we splash out now on a manager tasked with survival, and without a vision for the long-term. If and when they sack Ruud, they need to either bring in a guy for next season and make clear that survival isn't necessarily the expectation, which is a big call, or allow a member of the coaching team to have an extended stint as caretaker, and save the money for a guy who can start with a clean slate in the summer. The alternative would be an interim team, but they tend to be quite costly. I certainly think it'd have to be accompanied by a significant boardroom change at the club. If it were, the mood around the place would at least mellow a bit.

 

It's very hard to see Ruud having any joy this season. He's simply waited way too long to explore solutions. And there's absolutely no reason, as many have said, to believe he's the one for a rebuild in the second tier. The question is whether he's even managerial material.

[Wink84]

I've heard Ruud will be sacked but we can't afford to, due to PSR. So club are trying to negotiate with Ruud to accept a crypto pay off to keep it off the books and say he walked. Allegedly it's called #KPCOIN and Ruud gets a lifetime free credit on B.C Games website. Believe what you will.

[Analysethis]

11 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Not having this, the bloke spent 60m on absolute dross. And Edouard is probably our worst ever loan signing, certainly in terms of value for money anyway.

There have been some real turkeys of signings, however El Khannouss will probably go for 40m if we go down. Fatawu has hardly played and was a done deal before he arrived, Golding was one for the future. Cordova-Reid was a free whilst Skipp was a weird signing for the money and probably only was signed thinking Ndidi would be away on his toes. Ayew hasnt been that bad for the money spent whilst half the people in here wanted Okoli back in but he was woeful last night. 

 

Is it Coopers fault or Rudkins? I cant work it out. Cooper was doing OK despite all these injuries, Ruud is just terrible for so many reasons, including his stubbornness in team selections and tactics. 

[when_you're_smiling]

2 minutes ago, Analysethis said:

There have been some real turkeys of signings, however El Khannouss will probably go for 40m if we go down. Fatawu has hardly played and was a done deal before he arrived, Golding was one for the future. Cordova-Reid was a free whilst Skipp was a weird signing for the money and probably only was signed thinking Ndidi would be away on his toes. Ayew hasnt been that bad for the money spent whilst half the people in here wanted Okoli back in but he was woeful last night. 

 

Is it Coopers fault or Rudkins? I cant work it out. Cooper was doing OK despite all these injuries, Ruud is just terrible for so many reasons, including his stubbornness in team selections and tactics. 

To add to this, we don’t know how many players didn’t join because of the threat of the points deductions. Not sure selling our best player and losing the manager before the season made us look the most attractive destination either.

[Mickyblueeyes]

The squad is not great but there is no excuse for the number of collapses we’ve had under him, poorly set up. It happens once maybe twice. For him, it seems to happen every other game. 

[fox in the sox]

2 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Mate if you can't see all the mistakes Rudkin is making and think that this is just about the last couple of managerial appointments then you are an ostrich

I was commenting specifically about Richard Keys tweet about a succession of bad managerial appointments. Only RVN is a really bad appointment as he doesn’t have the credentials to be a Premier League manager at this stage.

[Filbert Fireworks]

Ruud needs to go and go now. 

[Soar Fox]

2 hours ago, Hales said:

I'm surprised he hasn't walked this morning

He won’t want to walk away from a couple of million quid. 

[Pliskin]

The team is shit, which we know. But he’s making worse tactical decisions than Cooper. At least with Cooper we were in games, now, we’re ****ing nowhere. The odd passing sequence, but that’s about it. To consistently persist with a front line that’s a combined age of over 100, week in week out, is either down to a complete lack of ****s, or incompetence…. Because no matter the lack of or perceived lack of quality in depth, you try something different. 
 

He doesn’t, he changes nothing, tries nothing and just watching the same shit happen week in week out, he will go down as one of the worst managers in our history. He inter Taylor levels of shit. 

[Guy]

I've supported him so far since his surprise autumnal arrival but clearly he's been out of his depth managing here, despite always "talking a good game".

 

On reflection to date after the 0-4 horror show reverse yesterday then he has been far worse at managing this team than Cooper (whatever others say in mitigation as regards them not being his players and it is the mess he inherited, etc). Under Cooper though we never once got truly turned over like we have been in certain games under Ruud. Looking back then it was ridiculous that he ever got he job to start with really, as others have continuously said ever since the wheels fell off after the Wolves defeat before Christmas. That's been a game from which we've clearly still not recovered, despite one or two glimpses of promise here and there since (the Spurs away win, a spirited display at Man. Utd in the FA Cup which obviously deserved extra time and in the league at Anfield, also holding an injury depleted Arsenal for 80 mins in last w/end's game as some examples). However the writing has remained on the wall since the turn of the year really and clearly Ruud is not going to turn it around in time now. Even during the Great Escape season under Pearson we had 22 points before that 7/9 wins game came at the death. I know football's a "funny old game"  but with these players uinder this manager then I'd be surprised if we even cobbled together 22 points in total now this season, never mind stay up!