RVN needs to go.

[Fox1970]

2 hours ago, Nickaj said:

 

 

If Ruud was Top's choice, sacking him would require Top to admit he made a mistake in appointing him.

Don't think Top would be keen on doing that - would mean him losing 'face'.

How much more face do you think he can lose????   He has already made himself look a complete jerk for mismanaging the club into what seems to be a terminal decline.  His father would be outraged by the mess he is making of it all and his seeming inability to address the underlying causes. 

[Dan]

He's worse than Cooper and I can't really pay him a much bigger criticism than that.

 

Has got to go. I think he's been completely stitched up but there's absolutely nothing he's adding. How anyone could've seen anything from his tenure to suggest he'd be any good for next season is beyond me - just total blind faith based on literally nothing.

[ealingfox]

Has he gone yet?

[henry56]

Top needs to say 

Look Ruud , this isn’t working for you or us . We”ll pay you  till the  end of the season , then you resign gracefully integrity intact ? 

[Guy]

1 hour ago, Shaun the fox 1 said:

Vardy as player manager 

If Ruud walked - unlikely that he walks away from £2million though of course! - or indeed  was sacked (still unlikely) - then I could see Vardy and Kingy taking care of the team until the season's end for sure...regardless of Top, Rudkin shenanigans, etc.

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Dan said:

He's worse than Cooper and I can't really pay him a much bigger criticism than that.

 

Has got to go. I think he's been completely stitched up but there's absolutely nothing he's adding. How anyone could've seen anything from his tenure to suggest he'd be any good for next season is beyond me - just total blind faith based on literally nothing.

I’ve tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he’s been dealt a very poor hand and there is much to like about him. But you’re right: he’s done absolutely nothing yet to suggest he’s a good football manager. On a run of horrendous run of form like ours, a good manager would try something different. RVN’s persistence with the same players, formation and tactics suggests he just does not have the tactical intelligence or flexibility to manage at this level. It’s a shame, but that’s the reality.

[john ridley]

Considering  the shit show we are now ,do you think turning our noses up to Scott parker was a mistake? I didn't want  either but probably we'd  be more stable now .

[volpeazzurro]

3 minutes ago, john ridley said:

Considering  the shit show we are now ,do you think turning our noses up to Scott parker was a mistake? I didn't want  either but probably we'd  be more stable now .

We'd have done better with Lady Penelope. 

[chesterfox]

Can't believe he's now saying the quality of players he's working with  just isn't good enough.

Whether that's true or not, saying it out loud is criminal.

It was the start of BRs end too.

[inckley fox]

4 minutes ago, john ridley said:

Considering  the shit show we are now ,do you think turning our noses up to Scott parker was a mistake? I didn't want  either but probably we'd  be more stable now .

He'd have been an unintelligent, uninspiring choice who, like Ruud and Cooper, has looked like he's not cut out for management at the highest level. I'd honestly prefer a bright, upcoming manager from the lower tiers if he's (a) adaptable, and not stubborn enough to be unwilling to entertain new ideas and (b) a character who doesn't mind being unpopular with the players (unlike Ruud, according to that BBC article) if that's a necessary consequence of making them brutally aware of their own shortcomings.

[Nickaj]

1 hour ago, Fox1970 said:

How much more face do you think he can lose????   He has already made himself look a complete jerk for mismanaging the club into what seems to be a terminal decline.  His father would be outraged by the mess he is making of it all and his seeming inability to address the underlying causes. 

 

All of which is quite true, but let's wait and see what actually happens

[Deano13]

16 minutes ago, chesterfox said:

Can't believe he's now saying the quality of players he's working with  just isn't good enough.

Whether that's true or not, saying it out loud is criminal.

It was the start of BRs end too.

He's calling out Rudkin....

[leicesterseddon]

The consensus view at the start of the season was that the squad was good enough to stay up, but being held back by the “negativity” of Cooper.

 

Now that RvN has failed too, this is apparently proof that the squad is too poor for the league.

 

Cooper was an unimpressive appointment, but the decision to go for RvN was just baffling really.

 

If the owners knew they weren’t prepared to spend money in January to stay up (and they obviously weren’t), taking a punt on an inexperienced manager trading off his playing career at a big-name club was totally the wrong move.

 

Without investment there’s only one thing that can save us: an experienced manager who can shore up the defence, play ugly, keep us in games. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

It probably is worth rolling the dice. He was probably the wrong appointment for a relegation scrap, but I don’t really blame him. There has been some odd selections of late, but he’s working with extremely limited resources and an awful squad. 

[john ridley]

18 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

He'd have been an unintelligent, uninspiring choice who, like Ruud and Cooper, has looked like he's not cut out for management at the highest level. I'd honestly prefer a bright, upcoming manager from the lower tiers if he's (a) adaptable, and not stubborn enough to be unwilling to entertain new ideas and (b) a character who doesn't mind being unpopular with the players (unlike Ruud, according to that BBC article) if that's a necessary consequence of making them brutally aware of their own shortcomings.

In that case then would someone like Richie Wellens who's doing a good job ay Leyton  Orient  be worth shot,certainly  can't do no worse than we are at the moment. Sooner or later we're  gonna have to take a punt from the lower leagues ,bored of the top level failures. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 minutes ago, leicesterseddon said:

The consensus view at the start of the season was that the squad was good enough to stay up, but being held back by the “negativity” of Cooper.

 

Now that RvN has failed too, this is apparently proof that the squad is too poor for the league.

 

Cooper was an unimpressive appointment, but the decision to go for RvN was just baffling really.

 

If the owners knew they weren’t prepared to spend money in January to stay up (and they obviously weren’t), taking a punt on an inexperienced manager trading off his playing career at a big-name club was totally the wrong move.

 

Without investment there’s only one thing that can save us: an experienced manager who can shore up the defence, play ugly, keep us in games. 

There’s only one man for the job…

 

 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Sack sack sack

[adejo92]

Is there anything statistically regarding him being our worse ever manager?

 

Getting to the point where he can't not be?

[volpeazzurro]

8 minutes ago, leicesterseddon said:

The consensus view at the start of the season was that the squad was good enough to stay up, but being held back by the “negativity” of Cooper.

 

Now that RvN has failed too, this is apparently proof that the squad is too poor for the league.

 

Cooper was an unimpressive appointment, but the decision to go for RvN was just baffling really.

 

If the owners knew they weren’t prepared to spend money in January to stay up (and they obviously weren’t), taking a punt on an inexperienced manager trading off his playing career at a big-name club was totally the wrong move.

 

Without investment there’s only one thing that can save us: an experienced manager who can shore up the defence, play ugly, keep us in games. 

There's a good chance also that RVN was the only manager we could get under the circumstances!

[inckley fox]

4 minutes ago, john ridley said:

In that case then would someone like Richie Wellens who's doing a good job ay Leyton  Orient  be worth shot,certainly  can't do no worse than we are at the moment. Sooner or later we're  gonna have to take a punt from the lower leagues ,bored of the top level failures. 

Well, that might be a good call. I've watched him from a distance but don't know enough about his style of management, nor the set of circumstances he's had to deal with, to be certain. People also mention Rohl, of course. Without question, those are the sorts of coaches I'd be interested in.

 

While I have no particular interest in how 'English' we are, it might be a good time to go back to the Pearson-era ethos of developing a home-grown backbone to the squad. I remember when we signed Mahrez he said 'we can sign players like him and Knockaert now that we have a native core to the squad established'. If we want to uproot the dressing room politics, it might be a good starting point.

[Guy]

3 hours ago, Nickaj said:

 

 

If Ruud was Top's choice, sacking him would require Top to admit he made a mistake in appointing him.

Don't think Top would be keen on doing that - would mean him losing 'face'.

He might well have to if we want things to change managerially! I wonder what Vichai said after appointing and then sacking Sousa within two months?! Did he admit such a thing? Surely he did....

[Bablemikey]

16 minutes ago, john ridley said:

In that case then would someone like Richie Wellens who's doing a good job ay Leyton  Orient  be worth shot,certainly  can't do no worse than we are at the moment. Sooner or later we're  gonna have to take a punt from the lower leagues ,bored of the top level failures. 

This would be lovely. A whole new era of "it's Wellens' fault"!!!

[Mengaman]

With all this talk of sacking RVN... does anyone seriously think that we can be saved by anybody now?

Not many points left to get and would need a miracle!.. and everyone saying our players not got the premiership quality too! (Except for a few of our players).

Unless,of course, some are thinking on here that this new manager could progress them to Premiership quality!

So..am thinking..keep him till Championship..then re-set.

 

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, Mengaman said:

With all this talk of sacking RVN... does anyone seriously think that we can be saved by anybody now?

Not many points left to get and would need a miracle!.. and everyone saying our players not got the premiership quality too! (Except for a few of our players).

Unless,of course, some are thinking on here that this new manager could progress them to Premiership quality!

So..am thinking..keep him till Championship..then re-set.

 

No.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

Yes. End of.