Why hasn't Ruud gone yet?

[SuperMike]

15 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

  I can see us potentially losing every single one of our remaining 11 games, and I can't imagine how horrible the atmosphere will be in the last home game. 

......Fireworks, Flags and Happy Clappers (plus Faes smirking) !

[volpeazzurro]

37 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

It seems unlikely that even prime Mourinho could keep us up now, but I still think RVN should be sacked.  The negativity around him means that no one will want him in the championship - not the fans, players, board or Ruud himself - so what's the point in keeping him?  It would be better to get someone who actually seems to give a shit, so we could at least hang on to a shred of hope for next season.  I can see us potentially losing every single one of our remaining 11 games, and I can't imagine how horrible the atmosphere will be in the last home game. 

Probably we can't because the payoff would land us in PSR trouble? 

[jayfox26]

2 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Ruud received no backing and was lied to by the board. What is a new manager with no window and no backing going to do at this point? stop chopping and changing managers constantly

No backing- yes 

Lied to - yes 

Players crap - yes 

Clueless manager - yes 

 

A half decent coach would at least get this lot trying to go down fighting. We've got zero fight at all. We should be looking at next season now and getting someone like Danny Rohl. We're getting slammed by the efl next season anyway so spending money on sacking Ruud and getting Rohl in, won't make a shite of difference to psr. Plus if we're so desperate then we'll just sell Mads at the end of the season like we did with Dewsbury Hall

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

No backing- yes 

Lied to - yes 

Players crap - yes 

Clueless manager - yes 

 

A half decent coach would at least get this lot trying to go down fighting. We've got zero fight at all. We should be looking at next season now and getting someone like Danny Rohl. We're getting slammed by the efl next season anyway so spending money on sacking Ruud and getting Rohl in, won't make a shite of difference to psr. Plus if we're so desperate then we'll just sell Mads at the end of the season like we did with Dewsbury Hall

What are they slamming us with?

[Qwerty]

57 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Probably we can't because the payoff would land us in PSR trouble? 

Yeah that's the only reason I can think of.  I don't think for a moment we'll keep him in the championship, but I expect they're either hoping he'll walk, or we can sack him in July when the new financial year starts. 

[Bilo]

DFKDFC.

[jayfox26]

54 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

What are they slamming us with?

They wanted to do us last season but because we got promoted they couldn't.  If there were any genuine charges to be brought, they won't just go away. 

[Bourbon Fox]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

We're five points adrift. Of a team who have scored more and conceded less than us to boot. 

 

If you don't think that's much, we need nearly a point every other game more than Wolves when we haven't even scored a goal in 400 minutes.

 

We're 15 points adrift of 16th. Everton and West Ham could almost certainly both lose all their remaining games 10-0 and stay up. 

 

We're in a knife fight for one surviving position and our players have no confidence left and almost none of them have any fighting spirit, we know this because plenty of them were here two years ago when we limped out of the same league in the same way. 

 

There probably is a manager in the world somewhere who could fix it but not one who is available, willing and on the radar of our club's football intelligence. 

 

It's done, mate. You'll have happier spring and summer if you just make peace with that now. 

 

So what I'm hearing is, there's a chance?

[Corky]

3 hours ago, tickler28 said:

So we're effectively giving up?

Unpopular as it might seem, I would accept it if it meant a proper overhaul of the squad, the recruitment, a reduction in the wages we pay, a restructuring of the club and a different outlook going forward.

 

We won't get it, though.

[Dan]

Another Mexican stand off. A mix of lack of money, Aiyawatt's ego and to be honest, knowing LCFC, probably a blind delusion that this is going to turn around.

 

We're down already. I'll be genuinely surprised if we hit 25 points.

[ClaphamFox]

19 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

They wanted to do us last season but because we got promoted they couldn't.  If there were any genuine charges to be brought, they won't just go away. 

They went after us because they suspected we might breach last season. But we didn’t. 

[Vazman]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

We're five points adrift. Of a team who have scored more and conceded less than us to boot. 

 

If you don't think that's much, we need nearly a point every other game more than Wolves when we haven't even scored a goal in 400 minutes.

 

We're 15 points adrift of 16th. Everton and West Ham could almost certainly both lose all their remaining games 10-0 and stay up. 

 

We're in a knife fight for one surviving position and our players have no confidence left and almost none of them have any fighting spirit, we know this because plenty of them were here two years ago when we limped out of the same league in the same way. 

 

There probably is a manager in the world somewhere who could fix it but not one who is available, willing and on the radar of our club's football intelligence. 

 

It's done, mate. You'll have happier spring and summer if you just make peace with that now. 

 

Exactly this...

[jayfox26]

38 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

They went after us because they suspected we might breach last season. But we didn’t. 

Fair enough, hopefully we'll be OK then. Still don't buy the whole not having money to sack/replace Ruud. Like i said, im sure we could sell Mads to balance the books like we did with KDH 

[murphy]

5 hours ago, tickler28 said:

So we're effectively giving up?

The club showed that it has effectively given up with the inactivity during the January window.

 

Maybe it's a wise move at this stage rather than throwing good money after bad, but I don't think that our demise was inevitable given our squad.   We were Championship champions and thus here on merit, we had beaten Bournemouth and given Chelsea a game as a Championship club.  After losing Enzo, we just needed to recruit well and go into the season with a plan.  I look at how Nuno has set up Forest as a counter-attacking side and feel that that is the way we should have gone.  If you don't have the quality to go toe to toe, rope a dope is often very effective.  If you're going to park the bus, Cooper style, make sure you have an outlet with pace (not Ayew and BCDR) add in some defensive quality (not Okoli and Skipp) and we might have been able to make a fist of it.

 

As it stands now, the club has given up and the players are demoralised and beaten before they get on the pitch.

Edited 4 March by murphy

[bmt]

2 hours ago, SuperMike said:

......Fireworks, Flags and Happy Clappers (plus Faes smirking) !

Fearless

[Royston.]

4 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Ruud has given up, Top is still very adamant survival is the goal. But he can’t run a bath, so in short, we’re ****ed.  

no shit, its common knowledge Rudkin runs all Tops baths

[filthyfox]

4 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Ruud received no backing and was lied to by the board. What is a new manager with no window and no backing going to do at this point? stop chopping and changing managers constantly

Correct.  No point now.  Just let the ship sink, and salvage it next season...   or 5 seasons after EFL have put the boot in.

[filthyfox]

34 minutes ago, murphy said:

  If you're going to park the bus, Cooper style....

Ironic really; if Cooper had stayed, we would have been better off!

[volpeazzurro]

38 minutes ago, murphy said:

The club showed that it has effectively given up with the inactivity during the January window.

 

Maybe it's a wise move at this stage rather than throwing good money after bad, but I don't think that our demise was inevitable given our squad.   We were Championship champions and thus here on merit, we had beaten Bournemouth and given Chelsea a game as a Championship club.  After losing Enzo, we just needed to recruit well and go into the season with a plan.  I look at how Nuno has set up Forest as a counter-attacking side and feel that that is the way we should have gone.  If you don't have the quality to go toe to toe, rope a dope is often very effective.  If you're going to park the bus, Cooper style, make sure you have an outlet with pace (not Ayew and BCDR) add in some defensive quality (not Okoli and Skipp) and we might have been able too make a fist of it.

 

As it stands now, the club has given up and the players are demoralised and beaten before they get on the pitch.

All true 👍🏻 

[filthyfox]

3 hours ago, SuperMike said:

......Fireworks, Flags and Happy Clappers (plus Faes smirking) !

Don't forget the free gnats piss!

[murphy]

24 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Ironic really; if Cooper had stayed, we would have been better off!

Cooper's recruitment killed us.  His legacy is Ayew, BCDR and Skipp and no one will convince me that those signings were not as a direct result of his fetish for PL experienced plodders.  

 

We are worse now because the fight and the stuffing has been knocked out of us.  That would also have happened under Cooper by now.

[Aus Fox]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

Unpopular as it might seem, I would accept it if it meant a proper overhaul of the squad, the recruitment, a reduction in the wages we pay, a restructuring of the club and a different outlook going forward.

 

We won't get it, though.

I’ll trade you a complete overhaul of the squad, the recruitment, a reduction in wages and a restructuring of the club and I’ll give you an unpublished internal review with lots of learnings, circling back, and wondering…

What could go wrong?

[Chelmofox]

50 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Ironic really; if Cooper had stayed, we would have been better off!

Palace and Everton (and to a lesser degree West Ham) sorted their shit out.  No way was Cooper's LCFC going on a points run like Palace and Everton. We were destined for bottom 3 no matter what, and thats before you consider the injuries that came our way.

[Legend_in_blue]

59 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Ironic really; if Cooper had stayed, we would have been better off!

 

No chance.

 

Shrewsbury Town in pre season was the start of it.  Completely out of his depth.  We were gone the moment he arrived.

[Aus Fox]

11 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

No chance.

 

Shrewsbury Town in pre season was the start of it.  Completely out of his depth.  We were gone the moment he arrived.

I don’t think you can say no chance, given Ruud has picked up just 7 points, is there a chance Cooper might have picked up 8 or even 9?

Maybe, that’s not to say with Cooper we would certainly be safe and all would be well, but you certainly can’t say there’s no chance we’d have been worse off under him. We were at the very least scoring goals in his reign.