Next Manager

[DezFox]

1 hour ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh how we differ to Brentford fans
Brentford fans thanking Frank for getting them into the promise land & securing their 2 highest ever finishes in 9th & 10th position
Leicester fans Rodgers is a *&^%

Huh?? And if Rodger’s had left us 2 seasons earlier in 10th we would thank him to. 

 

 

[Winstonthedog]

Ruud like Rogers before him has the club over a barrel he only has to sit it out for a huge pay off ... like a good few players .. there is no queue for them ... total inept management of the club ... another ostrich head buried in the sand from Top and Rudkin ... they really do not deserve loyal support 

[Groby_Blue]

1 hour ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh how we differ to Brentford fans
Brentford fans thanking Frank for getting them into the promise land & securing their 2 highest ever finishes in 9th & 10th position
Leicester fans Rodgers is a *&^%

I wonder what the Brentford fans would say now if they had to spend twenty minutes each match watching their two centres halves passing the ball between them, ala Amartey and Soyuncu, and they then got relegated. 

[izzymuzzet]

1 hour ago, kingfox said:

The denial and perception that fans have though regarding Dyche, is that he’s just a guy who relies on experience and pushes young players to the side. When you look throughout his career, that claim just doesn’t really stack up. 
 

Don’t get me wrong, if he became Leicester City manager, I would thoroughly expect a bunch of experienced players walking through the door, but in certain other aspects, I just think Dyche gets treated a little too harshly. 
 

Many fans would prefer Danny Rohl, I’d certainly prefer him purely on the basis of his style of football. Very much like Dyche though, albeit a small sample size, he’s relied on a bunch of 30+ year olds at Sheffield Wednesday, and signed the likes of Yan Valery, Stuart Armstrong and Nathaniel Chalobah. 
 

Whatever manager you get there’s going to be pros and cons. I’ve advocated for numerous managers who have a good history of youth development, but even those are far from perfect. 

"When you look through his career"

 

As I said in my previous post, you can look at his managerial career as two halves. Up to around 2019, he was happy to incorporate some younger players alongside a core of experience. Since then, he's increasingly turned to older players and the average age of his first XI has ticked upwards. He's also become more conservative tactically. 

 

Managers have shelf lives and I think Dyche's best days are behind him. He has qualities you'd want in a manager to get you battling at the bottom of the table, but for a rebuild after relegation? Not for me. 

[murphy]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh how we differ to Brentford fans
Brentford fans thanking Frank for getting them into the promise land & securing their 2 highest ever finishes in 9th & 10th position
Leicester fans Rodgers is a *&^%

Perhaps if Frank had unforgivably 'checked out' while still accepting an obscene wage, ripped up a successful model, relegated us and left us with a legacy that is still hurting us today and will continue to for the foreseeable future, failed to spot that Danny Ward isn't a goal keeper, lumbered us with expensive, dreadful players and smarmed the media like none of this was his fault, perhaps then, Brentford fans might have a different view.

 

 

Edited 13 June 2025 by murphy

[lcfc_forever]

57 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I think the pros you get with Dyche are…

 

1) He’d probably sort our defence out, and being a former centre back himself, he has signed some pretty good one’s throughout his career. 
 

2) He’d probably turn us into a hard working and grafting team. 
 

3) He’ll probably get rid of a bunch of unlikeable t***s that we currently have at Leicester City.

 

4) He has Championship promotion on his CV and he stabilised Burnley for a decent period of time. 
 

The cons

1) Style of play

2) Will probably sign a few experienced players

3) If we want continuity, who on earth would you turn to next if Dyche departed

 

Is that enough to get me excited at the prospect of Dyche as Leicester manager? 
 

In some aspects I’d be content, in other aspects I’d be absolutely shitting myself  

Agree with that except signing "a few experienced players" as not so sure on that. We have a lot of those already - BDCR, Ayew, Winks, Vestergaard etc - and given our likely budget, I think he'll have to rely more on our youth products. Maybe there might be the one or so free transfers (e.g. Mepham) but don't think too many more.

[stu]

So, our first pre-season game is on the 5th of July.

 

If it is correct we are waiting until the 1st of July to sack Ruud then the new person will have less that 5 days training before that game.

 

Obviously the training game doesn't mean anything at all, but what an absolute self-inflicted mess.

[Winstonthedog]

1 minute ago, stu said:

So, our first pre-season game is on the 5th of July.

 

If it is correct we are waiting until the 1st of July to sack Ruud then the new person will have less that 5 days training before that game.

 

Obviously the training game doesn't mean anything at all, but what an absolute self-inflicted mess.

As the saying goes ... fail to prepare ... prepare to fail .... total and utter muppets ... and I am prepared to eat a skip full of humble pie if they prove me wrong 

[kingfox]

17 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

"When you look through his career"

 

As I said in my previous post, you can look at his managerial career as two halves. Up to around 2019, he was happy to incorporate some younger players alongside a core of experience. Since then, he's increasingly turned to older players and the average age of his first XI has ticked upwards. He's also become more conservative tactically. 

 

Managers have shelf lives and I think Dyche's best days are behind him. He has qualities you'd want in a manager to get you battling at the bottom of the table, but for a rebuild after relegation? Not for me. 

Throughout his career it’s been a similar pattern in all fairness, you can go back to the days where he was getting Burnley out of the Championship, he had a pretty experienced squad. When I went through his squads, there were four season’s at Burnley when he had the oldest squad in the division. 
 

Post 2019, look at his Everton spell, he had Jarrad Branthwaite, Vitality Mykolenko, Amadou Onana, James Garner. They were all under the age of 24. But then the other end of the spectrum is of course the likes of Ashley Young and Idrissa Gueye. 
 

That’s what you’re going to get with Dyche, but it’s still proof that he’s not over reliant on experience. 
 

As for your last paragraph, what is the best course of action though? It’s a debate that’s often been questioned on here, but is there a perfect answer? 
 

Being possession dominant has shown to be a good formula to get you out of the Championship, but recent history suggests it won’t keep you in the Premier League, therefore you have three options imo. 
 

1) Get in a possession based manager, then sack him if he gets you promoted

2) Get a manager who has shown he can adapt and move away from a possession based style

3) Try and get out of the Championship a different way, that will also give you the best chance of Premier League survival. 
 

Imo, option 3 would be the best route to go down nowadays, that’s why I can understand why people would advocate for Dyche. My personal preference though is to go about it, in a way that Thomas Frank did at Brentford and what Iraola is doing at Bournemouth. 

[markko]

We should have stuck with Cooper. We would not be in this mess financially. We would not have been any worse. We may well have gone down but we did anyway. We got most of our points from bottom 2 and Spurs. We would certainly be having a better preseason.

[Nods]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh how we differ to Brentford fans
Brentford fans thanking Frank for getting them into the promise land & securing their 2 highest ever finishes in 9th & 10th position
Leicester fans Rodgers is a *&^%

Rodgers didn't get us to the promised land. Frank did with Brentford.

 

Rodgers did a good job of re-igniting a trajectory that we were already on. At the risk of undermining achievement, Rodgers got a recent Premier League winner to 5th, twice. It's decent, don't get me wrong. But it didn't exceed expectations. Two seasons which would have produced Champions League football without back to back bottle jobs, by the way. With a squad and a wage bill built for Europe. He achieved par for a couple of seasons given our squad, wage bill, and expectations at the time.

 

Thomas Frank has taken a small club into a new league, one they'd never previously competed in, and has consistently had them punching above their weight since, improving all the while.

 

Nigel Pearson did the same for us, in promoting us from League One to the Premier League (over a couple of stints, yes), and then kept us up in our first EPL season in over a decade, and laid the foundations for us to go and win the league. Our fans hold him in the same high regard as I'm sure Brentford do Frank. 

 

Brendan Rodgers is, was, and always will be whatever derogatory name our fans want to call him. And that's just his personality. His unprofessional downing of tools led to our relegation to the Championship last time around, and we haven't recovered since. That holds so much more weight than a failed push for the Champions League with a squad that was invested in to the tune of European expectations. 

 

The cup is the cup. Great for the fans, great achievement. But if we're honest, we more than rode our luck. Again I don't want to undermine a great achievement, but to put that win down to managerial genius, or a masterclass, would be fanciful at best. 

 

Cup wins don't speak to the quality of managers when achieved in isolation. Just ask Ten Hag and Ange what their cup wins did for their prospects.

 

Rodgers got a very good squad playing well, for two half seasons, and ultimately failed. Then he relegated us with pretty much that same squad. 

 

In the context of the history of Leicester City and his impact on the trajectory of the football club, Brendan Rodgers wasn't just a failure. He was the failure which sent us into a tailspin that, without starting again from scratch, we aren't going to recover from. 

 

I'm as anti our board as the next person, and yes they have a lot to answer for. Nobody made us spend £25m on Oliver Skipp, for example. But we have never recovered from the deviation from our proven business model as demanded by Rodgers. To cripple us financially with those demands and to then relegate us in spite of benefitting from the luxury of keeping hold of most of our key players is totally unforgivable. Especially as a manager of Leicester City. Our managers shouldn't be expected to act as Directors of Football, but we have known for a while now that that is the case. Rodgers oversaw what happened that year, not just as a football manager but as an orchestrator.

 

Reminder if it were needed that Rodgers managed to get a squad with Vardy, Tielemans, Maddison, Barnes, KDH etc. relegated. Yes we had our issues at the back, but try to imagine any other club getting relegated with that kind of firepower. 

 

It's the most expensive squad to be relegated. Ever. But we should be treating Rodgers with the same hero's legacy that Brentford's sole architect for their best ever period will receive? Have a word.

[Corky]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Ooh how we differ to Brentford fans
Brentford fans thanking Frank for getting them into the promise land & securing their 2 highest ever finishes in 9th & 10th position
Leicester fans Rodgers is a *&^%

Rodgers didn't secure our two highest ever finishes.

[TamuffFox]

5 minutes ago, markko said:

We should have stuck with Cooper. We would not be in this mess financially. We would not have been any worse. We may well have gone down but we did anyway. We got most of our points from bottom 2 and Spurs. We would certainly be having a better preseason.

How's the job hunting going Steve? 

 

[kingfox]

15 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Agree with that except signing "a few experienced players" as not so sure on that. We have a lot of those already - BDCR, Ayew, Winks, Vestergaard etc - and given our likely budget, I think he'll have to rely more on our youth products. Maybe there might be the one or so free transfers (e.g. Mepham) but don't think too many more.

The fear I have is that we’d see players like Ben Mee and others in that age bracket come through the door.

 

As I’ve just said to @izzymuzzet throughout his career you’ve always had both ends of the spectrum with Dyche. 
 

Some good young players, but also a heavy amount of experienced ones. 
 

For what we did at the start of the week with the contract extension of a core of younger players, I’ve mentioned the Sunderland model a few times on here, and it’s an ideal route for Leicester City to take imo. 
 

Even though Dyche will come with positives, his negatives just outweigh his positives imo. 

[bald reynard]

37 minutes ago, stu said:

So, our first pre-season game is on the 5th of July.

 

If it is correct we are waiting until the 1st of July to sack Ruud then the new person will have less that 5 days training before that game.

 

Obviously the training game doesn't mean anything at all, but what an absolute self-inflicted mess.

So, tell me if I'm wrong. We will soon have 3 First team Coaches - Kingy, Andy Hughes and ten Rouwelaar (who has been linked with a move to Brighton - presumably he's in discussions with them, or others) - and a 'Manager' (currently on 'holiday'). BB-M will have gone by 5 July.

SO, the two Andy's will have a lot of work to do, for the forseeable!

Edited 13 June 2025 by bald reynard

[King Claudio]

Dyche getting a lot of stick for using older players seems unfair. 

 

Firstly he still sold a number of players on for big money - wood, Keane, Collins, Berge, Cornet and Gray all over £20m and developed on his watch. 

 

Secondly the main thing we need is value... One way to get this is to develop youngsters (I'm all for this approach and appreciate we are in a position we need to utilise this) 

 

Second way is to use players that have been discarded by other clubs to get the best out of them. He was great at doing this.

 

The later approach has not worked for us in recent seasons and maybe an area Dyche could prove worthwhile

 

[lcfc_forever]

1 minute ago, kingfox said:

The fear I have is that we’d see players like Ben Mee and others in that age bracket come through the door.

 

As I’ve just said to @izzymuzzet throughout his career you’ve always had both ends of the spectrum with Dyche. 
 

Some good young players, but also a heavy amount of experienced ones. 
 

For what we did at the start of the week with the contract extension of a core of younger players, I’ve mentioned the Sunderland model a few times on here, and it’s an ideal route for Leicester City to take imo. 
 

Even though Dyche will come with positives, his negatives just outweigh his positives imo. 

Agree on adopting their model to focus on our younger players, as long as that comes with a counter-attacking, physical, high-pressure style. We know a style of possession-based football with a lack of physicality and athleticism won't cut it in the PL. 

[moore_94]

27 minutes ago, stu said:

So, our first pre-season game is on the 5th of July.

 

If it is correct we are waiting until the 1st of July to sack Ruud then the new person will have less that 5 days training before that game.

 

Obviously the training game doesn't mean anything at all, but what an absolute self-inflicted mess.

Players aren’t usually back for pre-season until then either

[izzymuzzet]

17 minutes ago, kingfox said:

As for your last paragraph, what is the best course of action though? It’s a debate that’s often been questioned on here, but is there a perfect answer? 

Not sure there's a perfect candidate out there tbh, but then there rarely is.

 

Muslic would have been my first preference but he's gone to Schalke. I'd like us to look at coaches who have punched above their weight in some of the smaller European leagues. Maarten Martens at AZ or Alexander Blessin from Union SG for example. In England, maybe Wellens. Not totally sure about Rohl yet but I wouldn't be unhappy with him. 

[stu]

2 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Players aren’t usually back for pre-season until then either

Accepted, but surely the uncertainty won't help create enthusiasm for the upcoming season and its highly likely to be a depleted squad with no new faces. Not what you want going in to pre-season.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

I actually think that if a new manager came in 1st July and had a game on the 5th he would learn more in those 5 days than 2 weeks of fitness and training sessions.

 

Regardless of the manager situation players will still be back in within the next 10 days or so and have their fitness assessed. 

[MGLCFC]

39 minutes ago, markko said:

We should have stuck with Cooper. We would not be in this mess financially. We would not have been any worse. We may well have gone down but we did anyway. We got most of our points from bottom 2 and Spurs. We would certainly be having a better preseason.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I wonder how many on here would have voted to keep Cooper on the Sunday morning before he was sacked (very few I would imagine). Appointing Cooper was a mistake, sacking him wasn't. It's just the appointment that followed was the bigger mistake.

Edited 13 June 2025 by MGLCFC

[kingfox]

25 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

Not sure there's a perfect candidate out there tbh, but then there rarely is.

 

Muslic would have been my first preference but he's gone to Schalke. I'd like us to look at coaches who have punched above their weight in some of the smaller European leagues. Maarten Martens at AZ or Alexander Blessin from Union SG for example. In England, maybe Wellens. Not totally sure about Rohl yet but I wouldn't be unhappy with him. 

If you want a manager who has a good history of developing youth, it’s why I’ve been advocating for Hasenhuttl recently, he ticks the right boxes, but the negative though is the fact we beat his team 9-0 and so did Man Utd. I also look at Ruben Selles, especially with what he had at Reading, having to rely on many young players, but the negative is, has he done enough to warrant the Leicester job? You’d have to say no. I’d put Wellens and Cleverley who I’ve also advocated for in the same bracket. 
 

Martens recently signed a new contract at AZ, but he is of the exact profile that we should be looking at, but Leicester City looking abroad for a foreign manager, I’ve got more chance of stealing Lucy Pinder from Russell Martin. 

[pmcla26]

2 hours ago, kingfox said:

The denial and perception that fans have though regarding Dyche, is that he’s just a guy who relies on experience and pushes young players to the side. When you look throughout his career, that claim just doesn’t really stack up. 
 

Don’t get me wrong, if he became Leicester City manager, I would thoroughly expect a bunch of experienced players walking through the door, but in certain other aspects, I just think Dyche gets treated a little too harshly. 
 

Many fans would prefer Danny Rohl, I’d certainly prefer him purely on the basis of his style of football. Very much like Dyche though, albeit a small sample size, he’s relied on a bunch of 30+ year olds at Sheffield Wednesday, and signed the likes of Yan Valery, Stuart Armstrong and Nathaniel Chalobah. 
 

Whatever manager you get there’s going to be pros and cons. I’ve advocated for numerous managers who have a good history of youth development, but even those are far from perfect. 

Danny Rohl’s style of football in the Championship is the same as Dyche’s. 

[Groby_Blue]

58 minutes ago, markko said:

We should have stuck with Cooper. We would not be in this mess financially. We would not have been any worse. We may well have gone down but we did anyway. We got most of our points from bottom 2 and Spurs. We would certainly be having a better preseason.

Cooper had lost the dressing room - the I miss you Enzo thing and Vardy screaming 'That was fooking rubbish' at him when he got subbed off against Chelsea, the fans weren't having him and Top didn't want him. 

 

There's no way he would have survived the season, let alone still be here for the Championship. As MGLCFC says, it was the disaster that followed the disaster that has buggered us.