What happened to the mindset of our players.

[huddersfieldfox]

I think a lot of people have been in the position where he/she has had to work so much harder and longer to get something done. It could be time money delivery but you’ve managed to get it done. What I’m asking is the mentality of the players that cross the white line, it just looks like they have plenty of time and it will be ok in the end. 
I can’t lie I don’t understand them, surly it will reflect on them “when” we go down.  They will be looked at as a player that didn’t bother when the need was there. OR they could be a player looked at as worker and someone that put a shift in and more when the team were in the poop. I would have thought that players have games to play to impress for their future. 

[l444ry]

Continually appointing managers that display no authority, chess board tactics and even less ability to motivate.  

[ClaphamFox]

17 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Continually appointing managers that display no authority, chess board tactics and even less ability to motivate.  

Allowing the players to go over the manager’s head and whinge to Top probably doesn’t help in this regard.

[l444ry]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

Allowing the players to go over the manager’s head and whinge to Top probably doesn’t help in this regard.

That's where the lack of authority comes in?  

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, l444ry said:

That's where the lack of authority comes in?  

Top allows it, and in doing so he undermines his managers.

[l444ry]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

Top allows it, and in doing so he undermines his managers.

If he does, then of course. 

[LCFCJohn]

All this above being the case but don’t they wonder what happens with their careers if the charity that is LCFC (sorry KPFC) turn off the taps? Not only with none of these get a deal like they have here but will surely in some cases (such as Danny Ward) struggle to get anything at a decent level.

 

They are damaging their careers and reputations.

[l444ry]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

All this above being the case but don’t they wonder what happens with their careers if the charity that is LCFC (sorry KPFC) turn off the taps? Not only with none of these get a deal like they have here but will surely in some cases (such as Danny Ward) struggle to get anything at a decent level.

 

They are damaging their careers and reputations.

Think most modern day players are just shithouses. Current managers have to mollycoddle the overpaid prima donnas before they can even start to do their job. Imagine trying to bollock a millionaire at half-time in the dressing room. The moment he stops they'd be on to their agent wanting a move or the PFA for bullying. How anyone can buy a shirt with a player's name on the back beggars belief to me, 

[Mike Oxlong]

Too much cash. Not enough pride 

[The Year Of The Fox]

Spagrave

[nnfox]

They don't have all have a poor mentality, but lots do.  In a team sport, that's fatal.

 

Too many are professional footballers who have reached their ceiling in terms of where they go next.  They're not going to be winning trophies, they're not going to play Champions League.  If we get relegated, they might get a move to another bottom half Prem team, or go back to some European league that might suit them better.  They've made enough money to live a luxury life for the rest of their lives and too many of our squad lack ambition to push the extra yard.  If one does, they soon get dragged down to the level of the majority.

[LCFCJohn]

39 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Think most modern day players are just shithouses. Current managers have to mollycoddle the overpaid prima donnas before they can even start to do their job. Imagine trying to bollock a millionaire at half-time in the dressing room. The moment he stops they'd be on to their agent wanting a move or the PFA for bullying. How anyone can buy a shirt with a player's name on the back beggars belief to me, 

Yeah definitely at the top level and trickled down into the Championship too. No doubt once you get into League 1 and 2 they are genuine on the whole. 
 

But more fool the clubs who will then given them their best contract. If they actually had to fear if and where the next contract was coming from maybe they’d make some effort.

[Sharpe's Fox]

I call it Long Brendan.

[Pliskin]

Paying shite players £70k a week will do it. 

[davieG]

As a lot of the current squad were culpable for the last relegation then I guess they don't have a conscience and aren't too bothered about what comes next as they've already earnt more than most people earn in their most productive working lives.

[Levi Port]

Confidence absolutely shot, not enough quality and poor tactics.

 

We were fighting for a large part of this season and should have come away with points in may more games but defeat after defeat has destroyed them 

[Vazman]

A team of individuals, who think they are better than they actually are, being paid a huge sum of money each week in a state of the art training complex that likely has too many distractions.

 

They are leaderless, with a manager incapable of motivating, or applying any sort pride in them.

 

It's an unacceptable position, but so Long as there is Zero accountability from anyone in charge or the owners, everyone will milk it for what it is, and they are.

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Top allows it, and in doing so he undermines his managers.

Not that I particularly liked Enzo, but he certainly had authority. He was the new sheriff in town. 

 

As someone on here said about Pearson, the trick is to manage up, not just down. 

[urban.spaceman]

It went to shit

[Richmondfox]

Combination of crap players on too much money, lazy/weak players on too much money being led by a manager who isn’t very good. 

[volpeazzurro]

5 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Allowing the players to go over the manager’s head and whinge to Top probably doesn’t help in this regard.

Absolutely but it's Top that needs the bollocking there! In every department he seems absolutely clueless. He must also know who the main protagonists are by now and we need to get rid. Vardy will most possibly be going and no-one else, despite the age is good enough to have an opinion above the manager. Mind you, RVN needs to go too!

 

New manager, new players, new authority, new start.

[OadbyBlue]

Even during our best under Rodgers there were questions over this. With the bottling top 4, the frequent late goals against. We’ve sold the talented lot from that squad and kept the worst, and replaced them with equally weak mentalities.

Edited 29 March by OadbyBlue

[Tazfox]

Pampered players who think they are a lot better than they are. I've heard from an anonymous source that the atmosphere and culture at Seagrave is horrific compared to similar clubs of our stature

[Drew Peacock]

5 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

All this above being the case but don’t they wonder what happens with their careers if the charity that is LCFC (sorry KPFC) turn off the taps? Not only with none of these get a deal like they have here but will surely in some cases (such as Danny Ward) struggle to get anything at a decent level.

 

They are damaging their careers and reputations.

I think you’ve touched on a massive part of the problem. Some players clearly don’t care about their careers or reputation. They’ve earned enough money to live very comfortably for the rest of their life.
Danny Ward is the perfect example. He played 43 games on loan for Huddersfield in 2016/17, but apart from that he has played only a total of 58 domestic games, with various clubs, since the 2011/12 season! He clearly isn’t bothered about playing, or at some point in the last 14 years he’d have done something about that. No professional athlete can be physically or mentally at the top of their game when they’ve been mostly sidelined for that length of time and why he’s been allowed to rot at the club for so long is baffling.
I’m still also baffled about how Ruud could have played him against Wolves. Even if he’d not seen much of him surely he knew his history, or someone at the club or tens of thousands of Leicester fans could have advised him. The damage done during that game was immense.

[Paninistickers]

12 minutes ago, Tazfox said:

Pampered players who think they are a lot better than they are. I've heard from an anonymous source that the atmosphere and culture at Seagrave is horrific compared to similar clubs of our stature

I've been laughed at before on here in the suggestion of inserting a clause that the players can't live in certain NG postcodes. 

 

It's the whole principle. Of representing a City. Pride in your work, in your shirt, of your people. 

 

This lackadaisical culture... Nottingham addresses ...spa club ... last big pay days...allowing Rodgers to down tools... It all comes from the shmabolic.leadership.of Top, Whelan and Rudkin