Fans Fighting In Stands?

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Calling any supporters that are different from yourself Happy Clappers for a cheap laugh and likes is a bit infantile to be honest. 

Why my friend?  I'm not laughing, but there is something that needs to be discussed.

[Groby_Blue]

5 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Calling any supporters that are different from yourself Happy Clappers for a cheap laugh and likes is a bit infantile to be honest. 

It's been going on for decades. Anyone who said anything slightly positive about Taylor was labelled a Taylorban (as in Taliban) and a good chunk of our supporters labelled as BAMs, Blue Army Mōngs.   

Edited Sunday at 14:22 by Groby_Blue

[worth_the_wait]

6 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Sorry, but this just isn’t true. Other teams away ends have a much lower percentage of older fans. The bigger or more fashionable clubs are much more attractive to younger, male fans. Even Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, the Sheffield clubs - and these haven’t won anything in ages. Ladies didn’t really go to the football in the 80s so it doesn’t add up we’d have so many 70 year old women who have been supporting us that long.

 

This is not me criticising older fans, but I will criticise the club for making it a ‘family club’ and being overly corporate instead of trying to make the club something cool that younger male fans will support. It’s just common sense that this demographic is the most vocal and lairy and that lifts the atmosphere.

That's a very valid point.      The Club is obsessed with this "Family Image", and has been for longer than we might imagine.        (Bear in mind that the original Family Enclosure terrace at Filbert Street was opened  in 1978-79 I think).

 

But whilst you had a history and tradition of "real" football fans it didn't seem to matter.    As recently as the early/mid 90's, we had a massive core following of lads/blokes, as per various examples previously quoted eg Swindon and Southend away in 1991-92.   But since then it's been chipped away bit by bit, season by season, and we are left with a Club that actively doesn't want any young lads/blokes.

 

[sishades]

8 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

I remember many seasons with little hope.    That said, on balance I'd probably take those times over what we have now, wouldn't have said a decade a go though.

I agree because playing in a 3 sided ground that was an embarrassment in front of 9000 in the second division was SOOOOO much better than now.

[sishades]

11 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

That's a very valid point.      The Club is obsessed with this "Family Image", and has been for longer than we might imagine.        (Bear in mind that the original Family Enclosure terrace at Filbert Street was opened  in 1978-79 I think).

 

But whilst you had a history and tradition of "real" football fans it didn't seem to matter.    As recently as the early/mid 90's, we had a massive core following of lads/blokes, as per various examples previously quoted eg Swindon and Southend away in 1991-92.   But since then it's been chipped away bit by bit, season by season, and we are left with a Club that actively doesn't want any young lads/blokes.

 

Try getting an away ticket today. Virtually impossible. The points system ensures that the same group always get the tickets. Do this over a number of years and the age demographic inevitably gets older.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5695685/2024/08/14/the-premier-leagues-age-timebomb-high-prices-and-low-supply-are-keeping-out-young-fans/

Edited Sunday at 14:33 by sishades

[l444ry]

17 minutes ago, Groby_Blue said:

It's been going on for decades. Anyone who said anything slightly positive about Taylor was labelled a Taylorban (as in Taliban) and a good chunk of our supporters labelled as BAMs, Blue Army Mōngs.   

Evidently, but it's hard to take anyone seriously when silly names are introduced. Just my view.  

[Paninistickers]

21 minutes ago, Groby_Blue said:

BAMs, Blue Army Mōngs

The old Bentley's Roof used to call them PSIs...

 

Piss Stained Imbeciles 😂😂

Edited Sunday at 14:43 by Paninistickers

[Sly]

To be honest, it’s the fans that are ostriches that are the issue.

 

 

 

 

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, purpleronnie said:

I know there were positives about those times, but mainly was beyond grim being a fan back then.

Not really. 8/10k in Filbert St made more noise than the KP.

 

Everyone was together. Pen 2 was awesome.

 

OH and no Rudkin.

[accessory]

3 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Not really. 8/10k in Filbert St made more noise than the KP.

 

Everyone was together. Pen 2 was awesome.

 

OH and no Rudkin.

The same Pen 2 that was either shut or allocated to away fans for most of the 1980s?

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, accessory said:

The same Pen 2 that was either shut or allocated to away fans for most of the 1980s?

Not in the early 80's but yes I'd forgot that.

[Heathrow fox]

2 hours ago, sishades said:

Those were the days. In 1987 we only achieved 10.000 once!!! I went to all of them.

It’s the reason Bryan Hamilton never gets mentioned in the worst manager threads

No one remembers him!!

[ashbyj]

21 hours ago, Oldfox67 said:

Of course! Here's your text rewritten in an exquisite, upper-class English style:

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The truth of the matter is that the so-called "old school" tend to appear for the more significant fixtures, bedecked in their Stone Island attire, yet when the moment demands true courage, they invariably falter.
I was, in my day, a founding and prominent member of the YBS; in those early years, it was invariably we, the younger generation, who were willing to stand our ground. We were, if I may say, game as anything.
From what I hear, the young lads of today still show similar spirit (I myself am now thirty, with a wife and children, and have long since stepped away from such matters).
It infuriates me to see these so-called veterans, now perched safely in the family stands, dressed head to toe in Stone Island finery, yet when trouble threatens to brew, they hide behind the excuse of having their children with them. That, of course, is entirely understandable — but if one is no longer willing to stand firm, then one ought not to don the uniform of those who are still prepared to do so.
Most of these so-called 'lads' have never truly been involved in anything resembling a proper altercation. I would wager that, out of fifty men — despite the grand claims that "two hundred" were present — no more than a dozen would actually step forward.
The remainder scurry back to the tavern and, with no shortage of audacity, boast of encounters that never truly occurred.

---

Would you like a version that's even more formal or slightly more old-fashioned, depending on the tone you're aiming for?

I’ve just ####ing wet myself 🤣

[TamworthFoxes]

1 hour ago, Groby_Blue said:

It's been going on for decades. Anyone who said anything slightly positive about Taylor was labelled a Taylorban (as in Taliban) and a good chunk of our supporters labelled as BAMs, Blue Army Mōngs.   

Yes and look how that turned out! Taylor was terrible and anyone supporting him was rightly ridiculed.

The same reason the complete muppets who clap them off every week are righty ridiculed on here.

Unfortunately the “good chunk “ of Blue Army ***** has now reached epic proportions and the Kop is full of them.

[Foxes99]

23 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Sorry mate but coach 1 and co were there at Oldham and Hereford 

Kind of funny that those 2 games, I clearly remember being in division 1 oldham and Hereford away, and leicester fans were fighting between themselves during the games. Oldham not enough seats and all crushed and it kicked off at the back. Hereford, same idiots who kicked off at stoke away last game of the previous season, big fight on the terrace by the side of the pitch. So nothing really changes!

[bovril]

I think people overestimate how much bearing the behaviour and attitude of the fans has on the trajectory of a football club. I can't think of any examples of a club having their fortunes turned around mostly thanks to fan pressure although admittedly I haven't thought that hard. 

[Bourbon Fox]

18 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

 

The happy clappers are a barrier to success tho. They don't really give a shit what the results are, what division we are in, the financial  mismanagement by the clubs executive or watching garbage like Ward, Coady and BdcR embarrass the shirt.

 

They lack football nous and tbh, are a complete pain in the arse.

 

They're also a barrier to the thousands of us who would love to go and sing our hearts out

[MattFox]

7 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think people overestimate how much bearing the behaviour and attitude of the fans has on the trajectory of a football club. I can't think of any examples of a club having their fortunes turned around mostly thanks to fan pressure although admittedly I haven't thought that hard. 

Everton piling pressure on Benitez got him the sack when the club wanted to keep him again with Lampard 

 

The super league protests too led to it being sacked 

 

 

[bovril]

1 minute ago, MattFox said:

Everton piling pressure on Benitez got him the sack when the club wanted to keep him again with Lampard 

 

The super league protests too led to it being sacked 

 

 

It's not like Everton are doing much better. Super league example is a good one to be fair, but a slightly different situation.

 

Don't get me wrong I find the frequent lack of atmosphere home and away disappointing, I just think the idea that our on pitch malaise is a great deal down to the 'happy clappers' is a little hard to believe. 

[Dan]

3 hours ago, Groby_Blue said:

It's been going on for decades. Anyone who said anything slightly positive about Taylor was labelled a Taylorban (as in Taliban) and a good chunk of our supporters labelled as BAMs, Blue Army Mōngs.   

Taylorban  

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

It’s the reason Bryan Hamilton never gets mentioned in the worst manager threads

No one remembers him!!

Hamilton is an odd one. Obviously not a top flight standard boss, but fans took to him, we started the season well, and in spite of a 'spend nothing / sell your best player' policy we still ended the season with the same points that had kept us up a year earlier. In fact, didn't we go down in 20th, which hadn't even been a relegation position just a few years earlier? I was only a kid so the memory is hazy.

 

Some managers just seem to invoke the wrath of the fans, and it's not always tied in with success. Taylor wasn't booed until very late in the day. Allen, Sven, Rodgers all had large sections of the fanbase onside to the end. We didn't get on Bassett's back too much. We liked McGhee, and many donned 'Ollie' masks, but - if you go back - swathes called for Bloomfield and Milne to go, 'fans' spat at Little three months before we got promoted (the day, he later claimed, he decided he'd bail on us whenever he got the chance), sections of the support did their best to hound O'Neill out of the club, were split down the middle over Pearson, hated Puel etc. The immensely successful bosses probably prompted more unrest in the stands than the rubbish ones! Cooper, perhaps rightly, was hugely unpopular, and yet Ruud seems not to rile us so much. Is that down to the characteristics of our fans right now (apathetic, misguided about those they should thank for their success, and old, like me)? Either way, it doesn't always make much sense.

 

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, most fans were happy to give Hamilton another go, though what happened next was a cautionary tale for those thinking of giving relegated bosses another roll of the dice. Of course, he signed Walsh and Newell, so it wasn't all bad!

 

And, while we're at it, I was told yesterday that we've been relegated under 14 different managers, and stuck with seven of them. Only one ever brought us back up. So Hamilton, and every other relegated boss (except for Frank O'Farrell, who at least reached an FA Cup Final in the process of getting relegated) should serve as a warning when it comes to Ruud. I.e., sack him, or it'll only get worse.

[Ashley]

4 hours ago, Groby_Blue said:

It's been going on for decades. Anyone who said anything slightly positive about Taylor was labelled a Taylorban (as in Taliban) and a good chunk of our supporters labelled as BAMs, Blue Army Mōngs.   

 

I've always know it as Blue M0ngs or Blue M0ngies 😂

[Lako42]

4 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Sorry, but this just isn’t true. Other teams away ends have a much lower percentage of older fans. The bigger or more fashionable clubs are much more attractive to younger, male fans. Even Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, the Sheffield clubs - and these haven’t won anything in ages. Ladies didn’t really go to the football in the 80s so it doesn’t add up we’d have so many 70 year old women who have been supporting us that long.

 

This is not me criticising older fans, but I will criticise the club for making it a ‘family club’ and being overly corporate instead of trying to make the club something cool that younger male fans will support. It’s just common sense that this demographic is the most vocal and lairy and that lifts the atmosphere.

 

Also, I hate to say it but football naturally means more to younger people without families or a sense of direction in life. It’s an escape from disillusionment and pride in a local team which they are less likely to have found in themselves yet. Again, not a criticism - as I’ve got older I’ve realised football is less important than it used to be. 
 

What isn’t good is thousands of people turning up just out of habit and respecting the owners more than the historical institution that is the football club. There’s no pride in that and it dilutes the experience for those who see the club as a meaningful representation of the community.

This nails it 

[Heathrow fox]

4 hours ago, inckley fox said:

Hamilton is an odd one. Obviously not a top flight standard boss, but fans took to him, we started the season well, and in spite of a 'spend nothing / sell your best player' policy we still ended the season with the same points that had kept us up a year earlier. In fact, didn't we go down in 20th, which hadn't even been a relegation position just a few years earlier? I was only a kid so the memory is hazy.

 

Some managers just seem to invoke the wrath of the fans, and it's not always tied in with success. Taylor wasn't booed until very late in the day. Allen, Sven, Rodgers all had large sections of the fanbase onside to the end. We didn't get on Bassett's back too much. We liked McGhee, and many donned 'Ollie' masks, but - if you go back - swathes called for Bloomfield and Milne to go, 'fans' spat at Little three months before we got promoted (the day, he later claimed, he decided he'd bail on us whenever he got the chance), sections of the support did their best to hound O'Neill out of the club, were split down the middle over Pearson, hated Puel etc. The immensely successful bosses probably prompted more unrest in the stands than the rubbish ones! Cooper, perhaps rightly, was hugely unpopular, and yet Ruud seems not to rile us so much. Is that down to the characteristics of our fans right now (apathetic, misguided about those they should thank for their success, and old, like me)? Either way, it doesn't always make much sense.

 

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, most fans were happy to give Hamilton another go, though what happened next was a cautionary tale for those thinking of giving relegated bosses another roll of the dice. Of course, he signed Walsh and Newell, so it wasn't all bad!

 

And, while we're at it, I was told yesterday that we've been relegated under 14 different managers, and stuck with seven of them. Only one ever brought us back up. So Hamilton, and every other relegated boss (except for Frank O'Farrell, who at least reached an FA Cup Final in the process of getting relegated) should serve as a warning when it comes to Ruud. I.e., sack him, or it'll only get worse.

Just looked it up and yes 42 points each season.We did end up third bottom in 86/87.19th spot going into the newly formed playoff system.

Good point about Taylor.I seem to remember that a close season reset and money spent on experience and all would be well.Losing 5 and 4 nil i the first two games scuppered any optimism.

I remember the crowd turning against Levein 

Going back to my op that people not remembering Hamilton.Having read these pages for a good few years now.Rarely does that mid eighties side get a mention.Good players like Ian Wilson,Ian Banks, Bobby Smith and even Steve Lynex.Andy Peake being the exception.

The sad thing is that many who did go in those dark days are now dead 

Edited Sunday at 22:57 by Heathrow fox

[Bourbon Fox]

18 hours ago, sishades said:

Try getting an away ticket today. Virtually impossible. The points system ensures that the same group always get the tickets. Do this over a number of years and the age demographic inevitably gets older.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5695685/2024/08/14/the-premier-leagues-age-timebomb-high-prices-and-low-supply-are-keeping-out-young-fans/