Popular Post Les-TA-Jon Posted 2 February Popular Post Posted 2 February 6 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Not necessarily, if it forces change in the club then I'd take it. The last time we went down to league one didn't do us any harm in the grand scheme of things. Carrying on as we are is doing nobody any good and the apathy from the fanbase is the worst I've known it Going down to League One this time will be nothing like last time. Last time you had Mandaric as owner and Pearson, Walsh and Shakey as manager/coaches. The idea that relegation to League One will make King Power, Top and Rudkin suddenly change their ways or become football strategy savants needs to get in the bin. They've managed one of the biggest and sharpest declines from the greatest position of strength the club has ever had - why would less money and tighter spending regulations suddenly make us better run as a club? 22 2
foxfanazer Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 3 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Going down to League One this time will be nothing like last time. Last time you had Mandaric as owner and Pearson, Walsh and Shakey as manager/coaches. The idea that relegation to League One will make King Power, Top and Rudkin suddenly change their ways or become football strategy savants needs to get in the bin. They've managed one of the biggest and sharpest declines from the greatest position of strength the club has ever had - why would less money and tighter spending regulations suddenly make us better run as a club? I'm hoping it's one step closer to them ****ing off in all honesty. Not expecting them to improve in any way 1
ClaphamFox Posted 2 February Posted 2 February Just now, foxfanazer said: I'm hoping it's one step closer to them ****ing off in all honesty. Not expecting them to improve in any way It won’t be. 1
ClaphamFox Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 56 minutes ago, Terraloon said: Yep that’s correct in terms of an FFP charge but of course there are 3 charges. Of course however the excesses of 21/2 &22/23 irrespective will be factored in and had there been a deduction in respect of the earlier two years , bearing in mind the EFL rules around double jeopardy then any sanction being faced for 23/4 would be nothing. I can’t get my mind clear re the other two charges but the rule change which enables punishments handed down following a PL charge may give grounds to argue that the offence/ s were prior to that rule change but without seeing time lines it’s impossible to even get a perspective Is there even a clear sense of what kind of sanctions are likely for the two additional charges if the IC upholds them? Are they even punishable with additional points deductions?
Les-TA-Jon Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 18 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: I'm hoping it's one step closer to them ****ing off in all honesty. Not expecting them to improve in any way The most likely way of getting rid of them, is promotion to the PL and stabilising as a mid-table side again - get some value back into the asset to make it worth Top selling. 3
foxfanazer Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 2 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: The most likely way of getting rid of them, is promotion to the PL and stabilising as a mid-table side again - get some value back into the asset to make it worth Top selling. Zero chance of that though. It's all such a mess 2
Chrysalis Posted 2 February Posted 2 February I think its more likely if we relegated to League 1, the idea that we will become a steady EPL club again isnt realistic, but also the club would not be at a desirable price to buy. The most likely way he leaves us, is a sustained period of no EPL money, and then a complete loss of appetite maybe even dismal finances that its forced via an admin process. 1
RowlattsFox Posted 2 February Posted 2 February I've always thought they were waiting until a time where we were safely mid-table and a points deduction would have little impact. But we have been so shit that it could now be a crucial decision.
Tommy Fresh Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 10 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: I've always thought they were waiting until a time where we were safely mid-table and a points deduction would have little impact. But we have been so shit that it could now be a crucial decision. I always thought similar if they did actually have a choice, means they could be fairly harsh to try and make an example of us but also not worry about any backlash should it have big consequences
Terraloon Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 9 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Is there even a clear sense of what kind of sanctions are likely for the two additional charges if the IC upholds them? Are they even punishable with additional points deductions? My view has been that the two PL charges are to try and close down any claims by LC around mitigation. It’s almost certain that if they ,PL, prove these two charges I would imagine that if say the FFP charge attracts 9 point deduction ( God forbid) then I can’t see how that number would be reduced akin to how Everton and Forest who were able to argue mitigation. Having said all that if it’s ruled that the April rule is valid in respect of these two charges , what I mean is that the offences were post that rule change, ( the nightmare scenario) I don’t think in isolation those charges would lead to a sporting sanction ( points/ transfer embargo) but if I am wrong and a points deduction is thought appropriate then it’s within the PL discipline rules that a sporting sanction can be the outcome. 2
Les-TA-Jon Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 20 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: I've always thought they were waiting until a time where we were safely mid-table and a points deduction would have little impact. But we have been so shit that it could now be a crucial decision. 8 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: I always thought similar if they did actually have a choice, means they could be fairly harsh to try and make an example of us but also not worry about any backlash should it have big consequences The PL/EFL have no say in the timing of this. They make the charge, everyone deliberates and appeals, then the independent commission decide on the final outcome. The delay is the time it is taking for the independent commission to conclude their work and outcome. It's not a choice by the league authorities. 2
Tommy Fresh Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said: The PL/EFL have no say in the timing of this. They make the charge, everyone deliberates and appeals, then the independent commission decide on the final outcome. The delay is the time it is taking for the independent commission to conclude their work and outcome. It's not a choice by the league authorities. Exactly why I said "if they did actually have a choice"
ClaphamFox Posted 2 February Posted 2 February (edited) 1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said: The PL/EFL have no say in the timing of this. They make the charge, everyone deliberates and appeals, then the independent commission decide on the final outcome. The delay is the time it is taking for the independent commission to conclude their work and outcome. It's not a choice by the league authorities. The PL/EFL do not control the timing of the Commission's verdict. However, once the verdict has been reached, it is the PL that announces it—the IC does not make the announcement itself. The PL might work in partnership with the club over the timing of the announcement, but I don't think it is obliged to. One of the many theories that have done the rounds on here is that the verdict has been reached but the PL has agreed a request from the club to hold back the announcement until after the transfer window shuts. Personally I don't believe this theory, but if I'm wrong I suppose we may find out the deduction tomorrow... Edited 2 February by ClaphamFox 2
jim5000 Posted 2 February Posted 2 February When will we find out about whether we are getting a points deduction and how many points it is?
FoxinNotts Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 9 minutes ago, jim5000 said: When will we find out about whether we are getting a points deduction and how many points it is? 8 minutes ago, OntarioFox said: wen deduction this next week, on Tuesday week, in the next few days, approx a fortnight, almost certainly, soon 1
Popular Post urban.spaceman Posted 2 February Popular Post Posted 2 February This is a quote from the club's statement after we won a case that proved that the EFL could not in fact charge us in the Championship for alleged breaches in the Premier League: "LCFC continues to try and co-operate constructively with both the Premier League and the EFL to reach a lawful resolution of any issues relating to PSR, in accordance with our consistent commitment that any charges against the Club should be properly and proportionately determined, in accordance with the applicable rules, by the right bodies, and at the right time." This is a quote from the club's statement after we won the jurisdictional case vs the Premier League in September 2024: "In challenging the Premier League’s attempts to charge Leicester City, the Club has simply sought to ensure (in the interests of providing consistency and certainty for all clubs) that the rules are applied based on how they are actually written." This is from the Premier League during the June 2024 commission over jurisdiction - which we lost and was overturned by an appeal board in the September of 2024: 49. The PL submits that the PSRs for a particular Season involve an accounting process and must continue to apply, however, long it takes for the accounting process to be concluded. It further submits that a breach of the PSRs in a given season has a detrimental effect on other clubs in the competition in that season, that effective enforcement of the PSRs is important, and that it would not accord with the purpose of the PSRs if they were construed in such a way that a breach "became untethered from the season in which the adverse effect on competition was felt or the PSRs failed to affect overspending incurred in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid relegation". This was the summer after they'd given Everton an eventual 6 point deduction for the 2021/22 season and a 2 point deduction for the 2022/23 season. And almost a year after they'd introduced the 12 week fast track rule that they'd tried and failed to use against us in the Championship that season. Everton served both of those points deductions in the 2023/34 season, instead of the 21/22 & 22/23 the breaches happened in or the respective seasons following those. Pretty bloody untethered. Leeds have already settled out of court with Everton for 21/22 back in September - they finished 1 point behind Everton in 17th place and lost out on the £1.9m merit payment the extra place would have got them. Burnley finished 4 points behind Everton and were relegated. They currently have a £50m compensation case against Everton, ongoing as we speak. If the Premier League had acted on Everton's case sooner, and either of their points deductions had been applied correctly in the 2022/23 season, in accordance with their stated aim keeping punishments deducted close to the season the 'crime' happened in, Everton would have been relegated and we would not. Our own 22/23 PSR case would have been held in 23/24 (the fast track rule came in Summer 2023 but was not retroactive) and we would have been deducted points as a Premier League club. That's before you even get to the absurdity of the Premier League's claim that we gained an unfair sporting advantage in a season in which we were relegated. We were at a sporting disadvantage due to the Premier League's failure to uphold its own rules. That also applies to the Manchester City case, which has had a direct and serious impact on our income and ability to comply with PSR, and which is STILL NOT ****ING CONCLUDED. None of our cases should have been heard before this one is concluded. The Premier League's behaviour towards us is outrageous and while people are right to be angry with Top and Rudkin for what's happened to us, they should be equally if not more angry at the Premier League for its failure to apply its own rules correctly and its repeated attempts to punish us under rules that either don't exist, rules under another organisation that they have no jurisdiction over, or rules that even they have stated are "far from well drafted". We had the right to fair play and we have had absolutely anything but. From Martin Samuel's article about us earlier this year: "... that’s what PSR does — it cements mistakes in place, with no second chances. So Leicester will be relegated, suffer a points deduction in the league below and conduct a fire sale of what little talent the club do possess, ... No one is arguing the club have not been run poorly, but PSR ensures they get no opportunity to change course. This isn’t double jeopardy, it’s quadruple jeopardy. It is almost as if the Premier League won’t rest until it kills a club, just to show it can." None of us should really have a problem with Leicester City facing consequences from breaking any rules. Every single one of us should have a problem with the Premier League's behaviour and be supporting the club's fight against them, based on the principles in the two quotes at the top of this post. TL;DR: **** the Premier League 7 6
OntarioFox Posted 2 February Posted 2 February (edited) 21 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: This is a quote from the club's statement after we won a case that proved that the EFL could not in fact charge us in the Championship for alleged breaches in the Premier League: "LCFC continues to try and co-operate constructively with both the Premier League and the EFL to reach a lawful resolution of any issues relating to PSR, in accordance with our consistent commitment that any charges against the Club should be properly and proportionately determined, in accordance with the applicable rules, by the right bodies, and at the right time." This is a quote from the club's statement after we won the jurisdictional case vs the Premier League in September 2024: "In challenging the Premier League’s attempts to charge Leicester City, the Club has simply sought to ensure (in the interests of providing consistency and certainty for all clubs) that the rules are applied based on how they are actually written." This is from the Premier League during the June 2024 commission over jurisdiction - which we lost and was overturned by an appeal board in the September of 2024: 49. The PL submits that the PSRs for a particular Season involve an accounting process and must continue to apply, however, long it takes for the accounting process to be concluded. It further submits that a breach of the PSRs in a given season has a detrimental effect on other clubs in the competition in that season, that effective enforcement of the PSRs is important, and that it would not accord with the purpose of the PSRs if they were construed in such a way that a breach "became untethered from the season in which the adverse effect on competition was felt or the PSRs failed to affect overspending incurred in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid relegation". This was the summer after they'd given Everton an eventual 6 point deduction for the 2021/22 season and a 2 point deduction for the 2022/23 season. And almost a year after they'd introduced the 12 week fast track rule that they'd tried and failed to use against us in the Championship that season. Everton served both of those points deductions in the 2023/34 season, instead of the 21/22 & 22/23 the breaches happened in or the respective seasons following those. Pretty bloody untethered. Leeds have already settled out of court with Everton for 21/22 back in September - they finished 1 point behind Everton in 17th place and lost out on the £1.9m merit payment the extra place would have got them. Burnley finished 4 points behind Everton and were relegated. They currently have a £50m compensation case against Everton, ongoing as we speak. If the Premier League had acted on Everton's case sooner, and either of their points deductions had been applied correctly in the 2022/23 season, in accordance with their stated aim keeping punishments deducted close to the season the 'crime' happened in, Everton would have been relegated and we would not. Our own 22/23 PSR case would have been held in 23/24 (the fast track rule came in Summer 2023 but was not retroactive) and we would have been deducted points as a Premier League club. That's before you even get to the absurdity of the Premier League's claim that we gained an unfair sporting advantage in a season in which we were relegated. We were at a sporting disadvantage due to the Premier League's failure to uphold its own rules. That also applies to the Manchester City case, which has had a direct and serious impact on our income and ability to comply with PSR, and which is STILL NOT ****ING CONCLUDED. None of our cases should have been heard before this one is concluded. The Premier League's behaviour towards us is outrageous and while people are right to be angry with Top and Rudkin for what's happened to us, they should be equally if not more angry at the Premier League for its failure to apply its own rules correctly and its repeated attempts to punish us under rules that either don't exist, rules under another organisation that they have no jurisdiction over, or rules that even they have stated are "far from well drafted". We had the right to fair play and we have had absolutely anything but. From Martin Samuel's article about us earlier this year: "... that’s what PSR does — it cements mistakes in place, with no second chances. So Leicester will be relegated, suffer a points deduction in the league below and conduct a fire sale of what little talent the club do possess, ... No one is arguing the club have not been run poorly, but PSR ensures they get no opportunity to change course. This isn’t double jeopardy, it’s quadruple jeopardy. It is almost as if the Premier League won’t rest until it kills a club, just to show it can." None of us should really have a problem with Leicester City facing consequences from breaking any rules. Every single one of us should have a problem with the Premier League's behaviour and be supporting the club's fight against them, based on the principles in the two quotes at the top of this post. TL;DR: **** the Premier League The main takeaway I have from that is that we'd be the only club who couldn't sue Everton with a straight face, since we breached PSR like them and still went down at their expense. Sporting disadvantage?! Last I checked, we spunked £50m in January on Faes, Souttar and Kristiansen, none of whom improved us, and eventually found money we supposedly didn't have to sack Rodgers - three months too late and with the damage well and truly done on the pitch. The trajectories the likes of Barnes and Tielemans have since had show that they were just being horrendously mismanaged by the clown in the dugout - any sensibly -run club gets enough out of those two alone to rack up the points needed for survival. They're top-six players. Youri could win the league this year. That's to say nothing of having the likes of Maddison and Vardy still in the squad too. KDH coming through. Disadvantage my arse. Fofana's money would still have covered the transfers and sacking of Rodgers in any previous season - any breach was entirely down to our absolutely braindead wage structure, which had been covered up by the revenue from top-half finishes and European campaigns. Our ownership were just ignorant enough to believe we could never get relegated, since we were soooo well run... and as Top's interview this week shows, they have learned absolutely nothing since. Nah, I don't really have a problem with them throwing the book at us, since we were so horrendously mismanaged that we managed to go down in spite of a top 6 wage bill, then dodged the consequences on pure technicalities. We played stupid games, now we're looking for a spot in our trophy cabinet for the stupid prizes when they arrive. Burnley and Leeds didn't breach. Nor did they hire lawyers to worm their way out of taking the punishments at the time of application. Yes, it was embarrassing for the Premier League that we found a loophole, but A) it doesn't mean we weren't guilty as sin through our own doing, and B) it just means those loopholes are now closed and, unless we've found a way to tiptoe around them again, we will get what's coming to us with zero chance of leniency for co-operating with the process. The old adage that the Premier League 'don't want too many Leicester Citys' is certainly starting to take on a new meaning with our conduct over the past 3-4 years. I honestly can't blame either them or the EFL for wanting to make an example of us. Edited 2 February by OntarioFox 2 1
Terraloon Posted 2 February Posted 2 February (edited) 1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said: This is a quote from the club's statement after we won a case that proved that the EFL could not in fact charge us in the Championship for alleged breaches in the Premier League: "LCFC continues to try and co-operate constructively with both the Premier League and the EFL to reach a lawful resolution of any issues relating to PSR, in accordance with our consistent commitment that any charges against the Club should be properly and proportionately determined, in accordance with the applicable rules, by the right bodies, and at the right time." This is a quote from the club's statement after we won the jurisdictional case vs the Premier League in September 2024: "In challenging the Premier League’s attempts to charge Leicester City, the Club has simply sought to ensure (in the interests of providing consistency and certainty for all clubs) that the rules are applied based on how they are actually written." This is from the Premier League during the June 2024 commission over jurisdiction - which we lost and was overturned by an appeal board in the September of 2024: 49. The PL submits that the PSRs for a particular Season involve an accounting process and must continue to apply, however, long it takes for the accounting process to be concluded. It further submits that a breach of the PSRs in a given season has a detrimental effect on other clubs in the competition in that season, that effective enforcement of the PSRs is important, and that it would not accord with the purpose of the PSRs if they were construed in such a way that a breach "became untethered from the season in which the adverse effect on competition was felt or the PSRs failed to affect overspending incurred in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid relegation". This was the summer after they'd given Everton an eventual 6 point deduction for the 2021/22 season and a 2 point deduction for the 2022/23 season. And almost a year after they'd introduced the 12 week fast track rule that they'd tried and failed to use against us in the Championship that season. Everton served both of those points deductions in the 2023/34 season, instead of the 21/22 & 22/23 the breaches happened in or the respective seasons following those. Pretty bloody untethered. Leeds have already settled out of court with Everton for 21/22 back in September - they finished 1 point behind Everton in 17th place and lost out on the £1.9m merit payment the extra place would have got them. Burnley finished 4 points behind Everton and were relegated. They currently have a £50m compensation case against Everton, ongoing as we speak. If the Premier League had acted on Everton's case sooner, and either of their points deductions had been applied correctly in the 2022/23 season, in accordance with their stated aim keeping punishments deducted close to the season the 'crime' happened in, Everton would have been relegated and we would not. Our own 22/23 PSR case would have been held in 23/24 (the fast track rule came in Summer 2023 but was not retroactive) and we would have been deducted points as a Premier League club. That's before you even get to the absurdity of the Premier League's claim that we gained an unfair sporting advantage in a season in which we were relegated. We were at a sporting disadvantage due to the Premier League's failure to uphold its own rules. That also applies to the Manchester City case, which has had a direct and serious impact on our income and ability to comply with PSR, and which is STILL NOT ****ING CONCLUDED. None of our cases should have been heard before this one is concluded. The Premier League's behaviour towards us is outrageous and while people are right to be angry with Top and Rudkin for what's happened to us, they should be equally if not more angry at the Premier League for its failure to apply its own rules correctly and its repeated attempts to punish us under rules that either don't exist, rules under another organisation that they have no jurisdiction over, or rules that even they have stated are "far from well drafted". We had the right to fair play and we have had absolutely anything but. From Martin Samuel's article about us earlier this year: "... that’s what PSR does — it cements mistakes in place, with no second chances. So Leicester will be relegated, suffer a points deduction in the league below and conduct a fire sale of what little talent the club do possess, ... No one is arguing the club have not been run poorly, but PSR ensures they get no opportunity to change course. This isn’t double jeopardy, it’s quadruple jeopardy. It is almost as if the Premier League won’t rest until it kills a club, just to show it can." None of us should really have a problem with Leicester City facing consequences from breaking any rules. Every single one of us should have a problem with the Premier League's behaviour and be supporting the club's fight against them, based on the principles in the two quotes at the top of this post. TL;DR: **** the Premier League I am not going to deal with every point you raise because, well, they aren’t quite how it happened. However a couple of points. 1) The case against the EFL was following a remark from Trevor Birch where he suggested that the EFL would enforce any punishment handed out by the PL.The case went to arbitration but from memory by then the EFL had been given legal advice that they couldn’t. Even then the panel said that LC didn’t engage correctly with the EFL before taken the actions they did. 2) It subsequently was ruled that the appeal board had incorrectly interpreted the jurisdiction for 22/23. So in a way it’s not well founded relying on anything that came out of the appeal hearing. 3) In relation to Everton’s 3 year period to the end of 21/2 season the accelerated process hadn’t been agreed indeed they only came into being in the 23/24 season . By 1/3/22 the PL had identified that Everton would be in breech of the £105 limit and pushed forward with their investigation but as the eventual commission said this was a far from straight forward case . The PLs case at directions hearings was that the matter should be dealt with in time for any penalty to be imposed in 22/23 but the commission ruled in Everton’s favour because they made the case to delay.Hence why the penalty for this charge was imposed in 23/24. 4) The second Everton charge was announced in January 24. This was in respect of the 3 year period ending June 23 . The hearing was under the accelerated 23/24 rule and as you state the second points deduction also took place in 23/24 . How on earth could the assessment for the 3 years ending in June 23 resulted in a sanction in the 22/23 season which ended in May 23? 5) You talk about LCs 22/23 breech being dealt with in 23/24 ( the club were an EFL club in that season ) That’s what the whole point about jurisdiction is about. ( see 2) above. 6) The notion of sporting advantage comes about simply because it’s been stated by earlier IC that spending over the allowable sums means over the three year period that a club has gained a sporting advantage (over the whole period and not just one year in isolation ) over those that didn’t exceed the upper threshold. Edited 2 February by Terraloon 2
Sky Blues Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 11 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Maybe you should be worrying about Coventry form. Why weren't you on here when you were crap. Why would I have wanted to be on here when we were in League one and League two? And FWIW I'm not in favour of punishing supporters for what owners have done, just like I'm not in favour of hitting clubs with different points deductions when they're skint that then relegates them putting them under more financial pressure.
coolhandfox Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 33 minutes ago, Sky Blues said: Why would I have wanted to be on here when we were in League one and League two? And FWIW I'm not in favour of punishing supporters for what owners have done, just like I'm not in favour of hitting clubs with different points deductions when they're skint that then relegates them putting them under more financial pressure. As I said.....
Ric Flair Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 13 hours ago, Sky Blues said: For those blaming the FL and/or PL for the points deduction hanging over your club....if you took the punishment the first or second time you would have been able to be in a much better position now. The problem is that the clueless idiots ruining your club decided to kick the can down the road in the hope of getting more Prem payments. I still stick to what I said on here last year. They will make the punishment as watertight as they can before trying again. They will now wait to see if the punishment will stop you from getting into the playoffs or aid relegation. If neither is the case any points deduction will come into force next season. That is not possible as it is the IC's decision and it cannot be delayed on the basis you outlined.
foxfanazer Posted 2 February Posted 2 February 13 hours ago, Sky Blues said: For those blaming the FL and/or PL for the points deduction hanging over your club....if you took the punishment the first or second time you would have been able to be in a much better position now. The problem is that the clueless idiots ruining your club decided to kick the can down the road in the hope of getting more Prem payments. I still stick to what I said on here last year. They will make the punishment as watertight as they can before trying again. They will now wait to see if the punishment will stop you from getting into the playoffs or aid relegation. If neither is the case any points deduction will come into force next season. You genuinely have no idea what you're talking about do you?
LCFCJohn Posted 3 February Posted 3 February On 01/02/2026 at 19:48, markko said: We signed them some time ago. Skipp I will give you as he was last summer. It is crazy we let KDH go and paid almost as much for Skipp. We have not really signed anyone for 3 windows now. Coady and Winks absolutely are a huge part of the problem. We already knew we had trouble at the time we got relegated as we had done no business the summer before. If we had come down and made sensible decisions, scouted well and not signed the likes of Coady and Winks, then renewing Vestergaard as well as the signings under Cooper, we’d be pretty clear in terms of PSR now as many of them would have gone (or not been signed). You’d have Daka and left for this summer now Soumare has gone and Faes in 2027 and that would be it.
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