jammie82uk Posted 30 January Posted 30 January 1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said: No. The announcement isn’t ours to make. It will be ours to make, the independent commission only tell the club and the opposing party the result at the same time, the club and opposing party negotiate when to release the information
Dahnsouff Posted 30 January Posted 30 January Just now, foxfanazer said: Surely there has to be consequences if it isn't adhered to else what's the point? Oh yes, break the rules pay the fine, no arguments there. Just don't do so at a time that does the most damage or limits a clubs ability to react. 1
urban.spaceman Posted 30 January Posted 30 January 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: Surely there has to be consequences if it isn't adhered to else what's the point? That's the problem. The enforcement of PSR has been so wildly inconsistent that the consequences have become a chronological mess 3
foxfanazer Posted 30 January Posted 30 January 5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: That's the problem. The enforcement of PSR has been so wildly inconsistent that the consequences have become a chronological mess I agree with that 1
mad biker Posted 30 January Posted 30 January 3 hours ago, Foxes96 said: You seem more clued up than most. What’s your predictions overall in terms of likely deduction? < 3pts, 3 - 6pts, > 6pts etc? As good old Len Goodman used to say,.......... SEVEN !
Terraloon Posted 31 January Posted 31 January 10 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: That's the problem. The enforcement of PSR has been so wildly inconsistent that the consequences have become a chronological mess The PL clubs were given significant time to get their affairs in order and possibly you could argue that the charges to both Forest and Everton showed us that even when the numbers are being compiled discussions around what can be allowed or not carry on. For instance Everton had issues around how monies invested in their stadium build strictly couldn’t be allowed under PSR until planning permission was achieved and the project became” likely” . The PL agreed that strict application of accounting procedures (FRS) in this regard should be varied. The PL is run by its shareholders ( 20 clubs + The FA) so it’s the shareholders that control the rule book for issues that aren’t pre determined by the likes of FIFA , UEFA, Statute Law and the FA. Most clubs in the PL comply with the numbers but there are some that have the nous and indeed the asset base to find answers but when it came to LC it is clear that they that savvy and don’t generate the financial resources for the club to operate at the level it aspires. I would add in this context I have recently read that a couple of savvy clubs pushed the boundaries when it came to claiming Covid impact .Most clubs focussed on drop in income but a couple took the opportunity to impair player values. We don’t get to see PL numbers when it comes to FFP but just looking at a couple of clubs numbers for me they had to find some relief outside the conventional route possibly they claimed that COVID forced them to have assess certain players potentially had lower player transfer values. I said months ago, before the charges, that I feared the EFL getting involved because they quite simply are far more rigid in their rules and approach. Just look at how they moved to ban the counting of proceeds from asset disposed ( stadia/ training grounds) . I know it seems that enforcement isn’t consistent but the reality is any enforcement process where mitigation and aggravating factors, without defined penalties are inconsistent add to that fact that different individuals involved in making the decision then that will always leads to claims around lack of consistency . On that there is an agreement for establishing a sanction table but even then you hit issues . For instance if the £105 m is exceeded by say £10m would the penalty be the same for a club with a turnover of £150m compared to. A club with a £700m turnover? I think we all would say yes it should be but the PL clubs will vote in their own interests and it’s them , the clubs as I said earlier in this post that have the power to decide. 1
Muzzy_no7 Posted 31 January Posted 31 January With -9pts we are certs for relegation but even with 4-6pts I still think we go down.
when_you're_smiling Posted 31 January Posted 31 January Honestly think a points deduction is the best thing that could happen to us at the moment. 3 1
Terraloon Posted 31 January Posted 31 January Looking at what we know already in terms of losses declared in the filed accounts and the fact that we know that for 22/23 the £105 m was exceeded by £19 million my estimate is that the PSA allowables including for instance academy costs, Ladies team costs and depreciation, the allowances claimed I believe are around £29 million a year. So by my estimates the actual losses for FFP purposes are around : 21/2 £63 m (£92m- £29m) 22/23 £60 m (£89m -£29m) 23/24 surplus £10 m (£19m -£29m ) Total £113m So over that period one of which was in the EFL (23/24) the excess allowed are £35m+£35m +£13 m =£83 M If these numbers are correct a £30m that would constitute an upper level charge. Fast forward to 24/25 22/23. £60m (£89m -£29 m) 23/24. £surplus £10m (£19m- £29m So £50 m for the two years to date. As I have said before incredibly difficult to calculate what’s going to show up in the 24/25 accounts. We know that the excess allowed will be £105m . So any loss in 24/25 accounts in excess of £84 m will I believe lead to a further charge . 2
when_you're_smiling Posted 31 January Posted 31 January 2 minutes ago, Terraloon said: Looking at what we know already in terms of losses declared in the filed accounts and the fact that we know that for 22/23 the £105 m was exceeded by £19 million my estimate is that the PSA allowables including for instance academy costs, Ladies team costs and depreciation, the allowances claimed I believe are around £29 million a year. So by my estimates the actual losses for FFP purposes are around : 21/2 £63 m (£92m- £29m) 22/23 £60 m (£89m -£29m) 23/24 surplus £10 m (£19m -£29m ) Total £113m So over that period one of which was in the EFL (23/24) the excess allowed are £35m+£35m +£13 m =£83 M If these numbers are correct a £30m that would constitute an upper level charge. Fast forward to 24/25 22/23. £60m (£89m -£29 m) 23/24. £surplus £10m (£19m- £29m So £50 m for the two years to date. As I have said before incredibly difficult to calculate what’s going to show up in the 24/25 accounts. We know that the excess allowed will be £105m . So any loss in 24/25 accounts in excess of £84 m will I believe lead to a further charge . You’ve been the best poster on here past few weeks. Full of respect for you. But **** me mate? Now? When 2-0 down with 10-men to a side not won away for months? 2
Terraloon Posted 31 January Posted 31 January 4 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: You’ve been the best poster on here past few weeks. Full of respect for you. But **** me mate? Now? When 2-0 down with 10-men to a side not won away for months? Fair point but after 15 minutes the outcome was a foregone conclusion and sadly lost all interest in the game. This comment on the BBC site sums up my feelings I'm off to start my dinner now, because I've had enough of this, but today's performance at Leicester is proof that the manager is not to blame. Four managers now have failed to get a performance out of this squad 2
ClaphamFox Posted 1 February Posted 1 February I ran into a neighbour in my Oxfordshire village last night. He commiserated with me on our 10-point deduction and was surprised when I told him we don’t yet know what the deduction will be. It turns out he’d been listening to our game yesterday on his car radio on TalkSport and they were talking about the 10-point penalty as if it had already been decided and was common knowledge. Now I know the media spouts a lot of nonsense on this topic, but it’s odd how they seem so certain and so specific about our deduction (the BBC were saying exactly the same last week). There are going to be a lot of very disappointed fans of other clubs if it turns out to be less.
fox_favourite Posted 1 February Posted 1 February 17 hours ago, Terraloon said: Fair point but after 15 minutes the outcome was a foregone conclusion and sadly lost all interest in the game. This comment on the BBC site sums up my feelings I'm off to start my dinner now, because I've had enough of this, but today's performance at Leicester is proof that the manager is not to blame. Four managers now have failed to get a performance out of this squad Can't argue with that. 1
Winstonthedog Posted 1 February Posted 1 February On 30/01/2026 at 19:20, foxfanazer said: Deserve everything coming our way. Don't know why people are in such a flap about it. Such incompetence should and will be punished Very very true the club is in such a mess on the field and off it due to the management and leadership of the club as a whole and whatever the outcome its fully warranted
CrazyKopCorner Posted 1 February Posted 1 February I've heard 10 deduction too which feels about right from those barstewards i.e assume it will be given either now or after we're thrashed at Brum and > 3 wins which will cause maximum negative impact to us
Popular Post ClaphamFox Posted 1 February Popular Post Posted 1 February 24 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said: Very very true the club is in such a mess on the field and off it due to the management and leadership of the club as a whole and whatever the outcome its fully warranted That’s a very odd statement. Do you really trust the authorities to deal with us justly and reasonably? Would a 20-point deduction be ‘fully warranted’? 50? Yes our owners are fully responsible for the mess we’re in, but that doesn’t mean we should assume any deduction we get will be fair and appropriate. It seems weirdly masochistic when our own fans say things like, “we deserve everything coming our way”, as if they’re actually excited about the prospect of us being dealt with unfairly. 5 1
Winstonthedog Posted 1 February Posted 1 February 18 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: That’s a very odd statement. Do you really trust the authorities to deal with us justly and reasonably? Would a 20-point deduction be ‘fully warranted’? 50? Yes our owners are fully responsible for the mess we’re in, but that doesn’t mean we should assume any deduction we get will be fair and appropriate. It seems weirdly masochistic when our own fans say things like, “we deserve everything coming our way”, as if they’re actually excited about the prospect of us being dealt with unfairly. Possibly you are over exaggerating a 20 - 50 point deduction without to much thought ... my point is whatever is coming our way 6, 9 or 10 point deduction... yes we do deserve it due to the incompetence of the club leadership ... however it needs to be ended NOW ... or do you want it to drag on into another season
ClaphamFox Posted 1 February Posted 1 February (edited) 31 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said: Possibly you are over exaggerating a 20 - 50 point deduction without to much thought ... my point is whatever is coming our way 6, 9 or 10 point deduction... yes we do deserve it due to the incompetence of the club leadership ... however it needs to be ended NOW ... or do you want it to drag on into another season No I don’t. But the previous post that you agreed with said “We deserve everything coming our way”. It didn’t say, “We deserve everything coming our way provided it’s limited to 6-10 points.” Thanks for clarifying your position, but there are plenty of others who seem to be salivating at the prospect of us being hit very hard. Edited 1 February by ClaphamFox
Claudio Fannieri Posted 1 February Posted 1 February I just want it over and done with, so at least as fans we know where we stand, it is highly likely that it will put us in a relegation battle. It’s a strange feeling for me, yes the club has breached and rightly should be punished and by the rules that is a points deduction, the bit I struggle with is that this punishes the fans who have little or no control over it whilst the likes of Top and Rudkin can carry on running the club into the ground. 4
Spudulike Posted 1 February Posted 1 February 1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said: I ran into a neighbour in my Oxfordshire village last night. He commiserated with me on our 10-point deduction and was surprised when I told him we don’t yet know what the deduction will be. It turns out he’d been listening to our game yesterday on his car radio on TalkSport and they were talking about the 10-point penalty as if it had already been decided and was common knowledge. Now I know the media spouts a lot of nonsense on this topic, but it’s odd how they seem so certain and so specific about our deduction (the BBC were saying exactly the same last week). There are going to be a lot of very disappointed fans of other clubs if it turns out to be less. Even Pipes was talking yesterday about 'when' the points deduction comes. All feeds into the narrative of LCFC cheating exposing the jealousy of the clubs unprecendented decade of success. In times gone by, we would be using this to fuel a siege mentality and not wishing it upon our club, like some. We used to be good in adversity and relish sticking two fingers up to authority. No balls. 3
Popular Post Vestan Pance Posted 1 February Popular Post Posted 1 February This has hung over the club for 2 years now. Absolutely shameful by the authorities. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't start next season in the same position. The damage this black cloud is doing to the club is almost as bad as the self inflicted damage. At this point it feels like the punishment is a deliberate attempt to unsettle everything about a club by protracting the announcement of any sanctions. 7
suffolk fox Posted 1 February Posted 1 February 3 hours ago, ClaphamFox said: I ran into a neighbour in my Oxfordshire village last night. He commiserated with me on our 10-point deduction and was surprised when I told him we don’t yet know what the deduction will be. It turns out he’d been listening to our game yesterday on his car radio on TalkSport and they were talking about the 10-point penalty as if it had already been decided and was common knowledge. Now I know the media spouts a lot of nonsense on this topic, but it’s odd how they seem so certain and so specific about our deduction (the BBC were saying exactly the same last week). There are going to be a lot of very disappointed fans of other clubs if it turns out to be less. Your neighbour sounds very knowledgeable is he any good at managing a football team and sorting out a defence. He sounds like just the man for the job.
ClaphamFox Posted 1 February Posted 1 February Just now, suffolk fox said: Your neighbour sounds very knowledgeable is he any good at managing a football team and sorting out a defence. He sounds like just the man for the job. Probably not unless he hears how to do all that on the radio, like he did the points deduction thing. 1
UniFox21 Posted 1 February Posted 1 February On 30/01/2026 at 21:48, urban.spaceman said: That's the problem. The enforcement of PSR has been so wildly inconsistent that the consequences have become a chronological mess It's past laughable at this point. How the authorities are unable to implement their own rules is ridiculous. 2 1
Qwerty Posted 1 February Posted 1 February 20 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said: Honestly think a points deduction is the best thing that could happen to us at the moment. Why?
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