ClaphamFox Posted 15 January Posted 15 January I assume the PL will announce any PSR charges for 24/25 today (in previous seasons it’s been on the 14th or the 15th). It won’t necessarily mean we’re off the hook if we’re not charged today, but one potential source of bad news could be removed from the equation….
Terraloon Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 7 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: I assume the PL will announce any PSR charges for 24/25 today (in previous seasons it’s been on the 14th or the 15th). It won’t necessarily mean we’re off the hook if we’re not charged today, but one potential source of bad news could be removed from the equation…. Following on from the arbitration ruling I am far from sure that any charges made against LCFC will be under the jurisdiction of the PL. I might be 100% wrong but my view is that the club is under the jurisdiction of the EFL and it’s them that would have to charge the club but under the PL rules.
ian__marshall Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 10 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said: I can't see how we can have a points deduction this season even if we fail these alleged financial issues. If we were then we would appeal as first it's wrong and secondly we would have no time to recover those points. Any punishment has to be applied this season. It was one of the points outlined within the adjustment applied to the rules which closed the jurisdiction loophole. 2
ClaphamFox Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 51 minutes ago, Terraloon said: Following on from the arbitration ruling I am far from sure that any charges made against LCFC will be under the jurisdiction of the PL. I might be 100% wrong but my view is that the club is under the jurisdiction of the EFL and it’s them that would have to charge the club but under the PL rules. Yea, I agree (hence my comment about us not being off the hook even if we’re not charged today). However I also wonder if we are being charged by the EFL under PL rules, there may be a joint EFL/PL announcement today along with any PL charges for other clubs. That would seem the logical way to do it—which of course means they probably won’t do it that way…
VLC86 Posted 15 January Posted 15 January Imagine if we’ve breached after having that summer 😂. Shouldn’t even laugh but my word.
stu Posted 15 January Posted 15 January (edited) There is still nothing in terms of announcements, not even confirmation that clubs have complied. This is probably complete speculation, but I do wonder whether last year’s announcement - that no charges were being brought against Premier League clubs at this point for 2023/24, while stating that matters with us were subject to arbitration - has since created legal complications. That may explain the delays and the difficulties in having charge outcomes upheld by an independent panel. I also can’t find any reference to that Premier League statement from this time last year on their website, but the news reports at that time still refer to it. This could mean nothing at all and that announcements are simply delayed, or that they are waiting for the outcome of the 2023/24 process before announcing a potential breach for 2024/25 for us without legal consequence. I find it really odd there is just no media coverage on our 23/24 PSR process at all from anywhere. Its almost like its been forgotten about. Edited 15 January by stu
ClaphamFox Posted 15 January Posted 15 January (edited) 1 hour ago, stu said: There is still nothing in terms of announcements, not even confirmation that clubs have complied. This is probably complete speculation, but I do wonder whether last year’s announcement - that no charges were being brought against Premier League clubs at this point for 2023/24, while stating that matters with us were subject to arbitration - has since created legal complications. That may explain the delays and the difficulties in having charge outcomes upheld by an independent panel. I also can’t find any reference to that Premier League statement from this time last year on their website, but the news reports at that time still refer to it. This could mean nothing at all and that announcements are simply delayed, or that they are waiting for the outcome of the 2023/24 process before announcing a potential breach for 2024/25 for us without legal consequence. I find it really odd there is just no media coverage on our 23/24 PSR process at all from anywhere. Its almost like its been forgotten about. The lack of announcement might simply mean that the PL hasn't charged any clubs for 2022-25 and just decided not to put a press release out. However, as @Terraloon explains above, that won't necessarily let us off the hook as it's likely that if we're charged for 2022-25, the EFL will do it—and they don't seem to work to a specific deadline. It's been nearly eight weeks since our hearing for 2021-24 ended, which seems a long time for the commission to still be deliberating (the previous longest period between hearing and decision was four weeks). I have no idea why, but I think it's probably down to our case being more complicated because it's the first time jurisdiction has transferred between bodies and, possibly, because we've identified yet more ambiguities in the rules that have muddied the waters. I think the only thing we can safely conclude at this stage is that our case has not been a straightforward one—if it was, we'd have heard the verdict by now. Edited 15 January by ClaphamFox 1
Foxin_Mad Posted 15 January Posted 15 January They just need to scrap it, its not fit for purpose. Its difficult to argue that anyone who has supposedly broken the stupid rules whatever they are as actually benefitted. Instead the same teams benefit from this system.
Popular Post Spudulike Posted 15 January Popular Post Posted 15 January 6 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: They just need to scrap it, its not fit for purpose. Its difficult to argue that anyone who has supposedly broken the stupid rules whatever they are as actually benefitted. Instead the same teams benefit from this system. Could argue that Everton retained their Premier League status at our expense whilst breaking PSR. 7
Foxin_Mad Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 1 hour ago, Spudulike said: Could argue that Everton retained their Premier League status at our expense whilst breaking PSR. But then supposedly we also broke it. Our club have made enough of a mess of running their own affairs! 1
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 15 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: But then supposedly we also broke it. Our club have made enough of a mess of running their own affairs! And this is where Leicester fans should be careful in publicly wanting PSR abolished. It screams of sour grapes to those not au fait with our plight
Foxin_Mad Posted 15 January Posted 15 January Just now, The Year Of The Fox said: And this is where Leicester fans should be careful in publicly wanting PSR abolished. It screams of sour grapes to those not au fait with our plight I think it’s fine to want it to be abolished as I think it’s an incompetent incoherent shit show. However, it’s not to blame for our situation. I think it’s equally stupid for all clubs equally.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 January Posted 15 January 2 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said: I think it’s fine to want it to be abolished as I think it’s an incompetent incoherent shit show. However, it’s not to blame for our situation. I think it’s equally stupid for all clubs equally. Yeh agreed. I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying but never mind
lcfc_forever Posted 16 January Posted 16 January I know this mess is pretty much entirely on the club owners and directors, but when you see Man City spunk £100m on Khusanov and Marmoush, and have no repercussions from it, shows what nonsense PSR is. They've spent so far including Guehi around £275m this season alone so far. 2
Popular Post Chelmofox Posted 17 January Popular Post Posted 17 January 16 hours ago, lcfc_forever said: I know this mess is pretty much entirely on the club owners and directors, but when you see Man City spunk £100m on Khusanov and Marmoush, and have no repercussions from it, shows what nonsense PSR is. They've spent so far including Guehi around £275m this season alone so far. I suppose the argument is that if they have the revenue and can offset everything, then they are doing nothing wrong. The issue is how they were able to 'generate' the revenue in the first place. And i still think its worse that they signed Grealish for 100m only to barely ever play him. 5
st albans fox Posted 17 January Posted 17 January (edited) I think we won’t hear anything until after the window is shut Edited 17 January by st albans fox
kenny Posted 17 January Posted 17 January 22 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I think we won’t hear anything until after the window is shut The EFL will want to make sure our window is as unproductive as ever before announcing no charges this season.
st albans fox Posted 17 January Posted 17 January 7 minutes ago, kenny said: The EFL will want to make sure our window is as unproductive as ever before announcing no charges this season. I think the club know the outcome. It will be withheld from publication under agreement of both parties
OntarioFox Posted 17 January Posted 17 January 33 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I think we won’t hear anything until after the window is shut Can't wait for the EFL to announce a transfer embargo after yet another window where we signed absolutely nobody
st albans fox Posted 17 January Posted 17 January 6 minutes ago, OntarioFox said: Can't wait for the EFL to announce a transfer embargo after yet another window where we signed absolutely nobody I think that might be part of our defence on the size of the punishment. we aren’t spending anything so how can you justify sanctioning us. All our excessive debts are old commitments which were taken on when we were a pretty successful PL club. I mean it’s not a defence but it could be used as a mitigation.
Terraloon Posted 17 January Posted 17 January 2 hours ago, st albans fox said: I think that might be part of our defence on the size of the punishment. we aren’t spending anything so how can you justify sanctioning us. All our excessive debts are old commitments which were taken on when we were a pretty successful PL club. I mean it’s not a defence but it could be used as a mitigation. In terms of argument as to an offence has or hasn’t been committed ( crude way of putting it ) I don’t think there is much doubt based on the numbers we have seen in the public domain. It’s an argument that transfer spend has been reduced and maybe the IC will accept that steps have been taken. Everton tried to argue roughly the same when it came to mitigation but the difference here is that almost certainly the 22/23 cycle would have resulted in a charge for Leicester had there not been an issue re jurisdiction but that didn’t stop LCFC spending on 5 players in 23/24. Mitigating and aggravating matters will be factored in of course when it comes to sanction, if indeed there is one , and without a tariff table any sanction will based very much on how the individual IC members feel . If I had to bet as to why there is a delay I would say two things to those that compare time lines with the Everton and Forest charges. Firstly their cases were dealt with under the accelerated PL rules. LCFC case isn’t Secondly both Forest and Everton, albeit in the Everton case very late in the day, admitted they had broken FFP rules.I suspect that isn’t the case in the Leicester charge.
Popular Post ThurmastonFox Posted 18 January Popular Post Posted 18 January This really needs sorting or dismissing. It has gone beyond putting the integrity of the league at risk. There really should be a cut off for investigation and punishment. If it looks like a club has breached announce a punishment, subject to appeal. Then at least it is in the open. 5
Chrysalis Posted 18 January Posted 18 January On 17/01/2026 at 10:50, st albans fox said: I think that might be part of our defence on the size of the punishment. we aren’t spending anything so how can you justify sanctioning us. All our excessive debts are old commitments which were taken on when we were a pretty successful PL club. I mean it’s not a defence but it could be used as a mitigation. We still giving out generous contracts PSR isnt just about transfer fees. 1 hour ago, ThurmastonFox said: This really needs sorting or dismissing. It has gone beyond putting the integrity of the league at risk. There really should be a cut off for investigation and punishment. If it looks like a club has breached announce a punishment, subject to appeal. Then at least it is in the open. I feel I agree with this, make a decision on what is considered the way of thinking now, and any dispute carries on in the form of appeal.
st albans fox Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 9 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: We still giving out generous contracts PSR isnt just about transfer fees. I feel I agree with this, make a decision on what is considered the way of thinking now, and any dispute carries on in the form of appeal. to who recently ?
Chrysalis Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 10 minutes ago, st albans fox said: to who recently ? Winks, Coady, Edouard, Begovic 1
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