Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[slymunn]

14 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

This gets said a lot about Brighton though doesn't it, but the difference is the model is coming from the owner, so until he sells up it seems very unlikely they'll move away from a very successful model, and they'll continue to hire staff that fit within it.

I can't imagine they'll hire managers and backroom staff and let them rip it all up.

 

He's not only done it at Brighton either has he, so I think he's showing it'll likely continue the way it has with perhaps varying degrees of success/profit.

If anyone is unsure about Brightons model, Tony Bloom created Jamestown Analytics and Starlizard. They are both data driven sports and betting businesses.

 

He has done well with 4 or 5 football clubs now using the same ways.

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, slymunn said:

Im only going off what is talked about. People said the said about Calciedo regsrding his fee

Caicedo was much more highly regarded than Baleba is. The latter has spent significant time on the bench this season. 

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

This gets said a lot about Brighton though doesn't it, but the difference is the model is coming from the owner, so until he sells up it seems very unlikely they'll move away from a very successful model, and they'll continue to hire staff that fit within it.

I can't imagine they'll hire managers and backroom staff and let them rip it all up.

 

He's not only done it at Brighton either has he, so I think he's showing it'll likely continue the way it has with perhaps varying degrees of success/profit.

I’m not saying they will move away from the model, I’m saying there is always a risk with transfers and there are one or two there that they won’t sell for a profit, like the original post I quoted suggested.

[SafewayFox]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

Caicedo was much more highly regarded than Baleba is. The latter has spent significant time on the bench this season. 

Living on the south coast, I can confirm that is far from true.

 

Baleba was being looked at by the “top 6” before Brighton took a punt on him.

 

He’s much more of a rounded CM than Caicedo and loads of rumours that it’s more than just United sniffing around.

 

They’ll sadly get silly money for him.

[trabuch]

Brighton were absolutey ****ed, had their ground sold off by a **** and were playing at a running track until 15 years ago. There is hope for us yet. 

[Globalfox]

The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun.

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, Globalfox said:

The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun.

Why be so pessimistic about possibilities for the future?  It's true that it appears bleak for clubs other than the rich 6 at the moment but things change in football over the years (you only have to look at our rollercoaster history).

 

The current status quo could change suddenly for one of many reasons - change in governance rules, a sudden drop-off in enthusiasm for owning football clubs (e.g. World financial upheavals) etc.  The most recent opportunity which unfortunately fell through was the aborted super league ... that came very close to changing the complexion of European football with some potential scenarios seeing a positive revision in the football standings in our day-to-day leagues.

 

The most important thing, irrespective of the context unfolding around us, is to get our house in order for our own good so that we are equipped to take advantage if and when positive changes occur.

 

 I hope we never give up on the aspiration for yet another glorious "moment in the sun".

Edited 10 January by deep blue
Correction

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Globalfox said:

The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun.

We have an few options really.
 

 

1. Football is a money game and a billionaires play thing. We just need to accept it and allow the money to flow and people chase ambition. Clubs like Newcastle flourish and become the new Superclubs as they’ll make transfer worth £500m for players. PSR is abolished. The Premier League becomes the Super League. 

 

2. We have a wage cap that is the same across all clubs with a heavily audited approach, to ensure we have a level playing field. You end up with a league like Scotland and everyone leaves to go and play for one of the other clubs in Spain, France or Italy. We saw this with the wage cap in Rugby. 
 

3. Currently we sit with option three, which is a PSR approach that allows restrictions of investment, and stifles growth from the smaller clubs, allowing the big clubs to grow. This supports the elite class system. 
 

4. We just abandon all history and UEFA generate a European Super League, similar to that of the American system, with play off games etc and Madrid Vs Leeds is a casual Tuesday night game for 6th or 7th spot in the league. Money is free reigning for transfers, however you have a sort cap for something like £300m per annum. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 hour ago, Globalfox said:

The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun.

I think people are mistaking much of the criticism and frustration as to our current position as us not being appreciative of the success we enjoyed or that we are confused and divided as to what we are happy to become. 
 

The two are not mutually exclusive, we had our success with a very good model, however our decline is not because of FFP/PSR. My anger, frustration and disappointment stems from the piss poor decision making by the powers that be and then align that with reckless spending on transfer fees and wages, not to be confused with ambition, but on absolute bang average players such as Perez, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Daka, Soumare, Winks, Coady, Skipp, Ayew, BDCR,  Edouard, VK ….. I could go on. 
 

The refusal to accept any accountability and responsibility for this decision making, Top and Rudkins insistence on not sacking Rodgers when he had clearly checked out, aside from Maresca, our woeful recruitment of managers. Our refusal to shake up our football operations and bring in an experienced operator to rip it all up and start again. 
 

My anger is not because we are mid table in the championship nor because we are no longer challenging for champions league positions and winning the FA Cup. It’s because we have zero plan, zero strategy and we have managed to destroy our club from a position of strength by making shockingly bad decisions along the way that were completely avoidable which has left us with a squad full of overpaid average players who carry little in saleable transfer assets bar Abdul and some promising academy products and a manager who we recruited from the bargain bin, whilst we await the results of a potential points deduction for PSR breaches that could put us in danger of relegation to league 1 and the brink of financial meltdown. 

My anger is because I no longer recognise what our club stands for, we are not innovative, we are not a disrupter, we are no longer a family club, we are no longer united as a fanbase. We are no longer fearless or Foxes never quit, in fact we don’t even feel like Leicester City Football Club anymore, our history beyond KP is pretty much forgotten about and ignored by the club, the club has now become a vehicle for KP, Aiyawatt and Thailand, who happen to play in blue and in Leicester, but it not the club I recognise anymore, even from 5/6 years ago. 

The worst part of it all, is that I feel I have lost my voice as well as my club, if anyone dares to raise these issues, you are often labelled as entitled,  there is even cases where dissent in the stands is met with verbal or physical abuse. It is like being in a abusive relationship with a narcissist, continually being gaslighted that what has happened and what is continuing to happen isn’t reality and that we should be eternally grateful for KP and Aiyawatt as we really don’t deserve what they do for us. 
 

Hopefully that explains where I am and perhaps others, I genuinely fear administration and what that could bring, I never asked or wanted the custodians of my football club to gamble with the very existence of the club to try and gain champions league football. This was not a calculated risk, as you can have a contingency to remedy the situation if not successful, this was absolutely irresponsible and reckless without a coherent plan, strategy or mitigation in the event it went wrong. 

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Globalfox said:

The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun.

Yet again, this is somewhat wide of the mark. We didn't win trophies by having a punt and going for broke. We won trophies and then financially stretched ourselves moving away from the things that put us in the strong position we'd gotten to, believing we had to floor it in order to kick on.

 

It may seem that the only way ambitious clubs can compete with the greedy six is to go for it, but as recently as last season Crystal Palace won a major trophy by just being fairly cleverly ran with people who know football off the pitch and a decent manager and set of players that they are shrewd in the transfer market with. 

 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I think people are mistaking much of the criticism and frustration as to our current position as us not being appreciative of the success we enjoyed or that we are confused and divided as to what we are happy to become. 
 

The two are not mutually exclusive, we had our success with a very good model, however our decline is not because of FFP/PSR. My anger, frustration and disappointment stems from the piss poor decision making by the powers that be and then align that with reckless spending on transfer fees and wages, not to be confused with ambition, but on absolute bang average players such as Perez, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Daka, Soumare, Winks, Coady, Skipp, Ayew, BDCR,  Edouard, VK ….. I could go on. 
 

The refusal to accept any accountability and responsibility for this decision making, Top and Rudkins insistence on not sacking Rodgers when he had clearly checked out, aside from Maresca, our woeful recruitment of managers. Our refusal to shake up our football operations and bring in an experienced operator to rip it all up and start again. 
 

My anger is not because we are mid table in the championship nor because we are no longer challenging for champions league positions and winning the FA Cup. It’s because we have zero plan, zero strategy and we have managed to destroy our club from a position of strength by making shockingly bad decisions along the way that were completely avoidable which has left us with a squad full of overpaid average players who carry little in saleable transfer assets bar Abdul and some promising academy products and a manager who we recruited from the bargain bin, whilst we await the results of a potential points deduction for PSR breaches that could put us in danger of relegation to league 1 and the brink of financial meltdown. 

My anger is because I no longer recognise what our club stands for, we are not innovative, we are not a disrupter, we are no longer a family club, we are no longer united as a fanbase. We are no longer fearless or Foxes never quit, in fact we don’t even feel like Leicester City Football Club anymore, our history beyond KP is pretty much forgotten about and ignored by the club, the club has now become a vehicle for KP, Aiyawatt and Thailand, who happen to play in blue and in Leicester, but it not the club I recognise anymore, even from 5/6 years ago. 

The worst part of it all, is that I feel I have lost my voice as well as my club, if anyone dares to raise these issues, you are often labelled as entitled,  there is even cases where dissent in the stands is met with verbal or physical abuse. It is like being in a abusive relationship with a narcissist, continually being gaslighted that what has happened and what is continuing to happen isn’t reality and that we should be eternally grateful for KP and Aiyawatt as we really don’t deserve what they do for us. 
 

Hopefully that explains where I am and perhaps others, I genuinely fear administration and what that could bring, I never asked or wanted the custodians of my football club to gamble with the very existence of the club to try and gain champions league football. This was not a calculated risk, as you can have a contingency to remedy the situation if not successful, this was absolutely irresponsible and reckless without a coherent plan, strategy or mitigation in the event it went wrong. 

Excellent post 👏🏼 

[lcfc sheff]

So nothing yet. There was journalists saying it would be determined before Christmas wasn’t there??

 

just goes to show it’s not certain at all we’ll get in trouble 

[MattFox]

3 hours ago, Globalfox said:

The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun.

We never went for broke though 

 

The reckless spending happened AFTER the trophies

[lcfc sheff]

Get us a director of football that sets a style of play and transfer strategy in place. 

[Heathrow fox]

1 hour ago, MattFox said:

We never went for broke though 

 

The reckless spending happened AFTER the trophies

Summer 2016.Would you have let Vardy go to Arsenal or would you have broken the clubs wage structure to keep him?

[Claudio Fannieri]

Cardiff given a transfer embargo by the EFL for failure to submit 24/25 accounts by 31st December deadline ……

[HP1]

1 hour ago, MattFox said:

We never went for broke though 

 

The reckless spending happened AFTER the trophies

Summer '21 was an absoloute disgrace. I remember hearing of the proposed Vestergaard deal for 15m on the radio whilst in the car and just shouted out "FFS NO!" and was praying it wouldn't go through. Ridiculous purchase by that idiot Rodgers.

Edited 10 January by HP1

[MattFox]

10 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Summer 2016.Would you have let Vardy go to Arsenal or would you have broken the clubs wage structure to keep him?

We had CL money then so different kettle of fish 

[kenny]

3 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Cardiff given a transfer embargo by the EFL for failure to submit 24/25 accounts by 31st December deadline ……

If the same happens to us, we won't be able to sign any more overpaid dross?

 

If the EFL want to punish us, I would let Rudkin go crazy with the chequebook.

[funkyrobot]

10 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

Living on the south coast, I can confirm that is far from true.

 

Baleba was being looked at by the “top 6” before Brighton took a punt on him.

 

He’s much more of a rounded CM than Caicedo and loads of rumours that it’s more than just United sniffing around.

 

They’ll sadly get silly money for him.

How come he’s not playing regularly for them then (and only averages 56 minutes in the games he’s played in.) He is not going anywhere for £100m.

[Cropwellfox]

23 minutes ago, kenny said:

If the same happens to us, we won't be able to sign any more overpaid dross?

 

If the EFL want to punish us, I would let Rudkin go crazy with the chequebook.

Be prime Leicester city to do no business until the last couple of days of the window and a transfer embargo comes in on 30th Jan 

[SafewayFox]

53 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

How come he’s not playing regularly for them then (and only averages 56 minutes in the games he’s played in.) He is not going anywhere for £100m.

There are numerous national and local articles about Hurzeler dropping him as he apparently had his head turned by United.

 

Happy to do a bet for charity that Brighton sell him for anything north of £80m,

[Yes N'Didi]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Cardiff given a transfer embargo by the EFL for failure to submit 24/25 accounts by 31st December deadline ……

It will be lifted immediately when the accounts have been submitted.

[Claridge]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Yet again, this is somewhat wide of the mark. We didn't win trophies by having a punt and going for broke. We won trophies and then financially stretched ourselves moving away from the things that put us in the strong position we'd gotten to, believing we had to floor it in order to kick on.

 

It may seem that the only way ambitious clubs can compete with the greedy six is to go for it, but as recently as last season Crystal Palace won a major trophy by just being fairly cleverly ran with people who know football off the pitch and a decent manager and set of players that they are shrewd in the transfer market with. 

 

 

We got 3 of the most amazing signings in football history at roughly the same time in Vardy, Mahrez and Kante.Amazing scouting or 5000-1 luck.

[Terraloon]

5 hours ago, deep blue said:

Why be so pessimistic about possibilities for the future?  It's true that it appears bleak for clubs other than the rich 6 at the moment but things change in football over the years (you only have to look at our rollercoaster history).

 

The current status quo could change suddenly for one of many reasons - change in governance rules, a sudden drop-off in enthusiasm for owning football clubs (e.g. World financial upheavals) etc.  The most recent opportunity which unfortunately fell through was the aborted super league ... that came very close to changing the complexion of European football with some potential scenarios seeing a positive revision in the football standings in our day-to-day leagues.

 

The most important thing, irrespective of the context unfolding around us, is to get our house in order for our own good so that we are equipped to take advantage if and when positive changes occur.

 

 I hope we never give up on the aspiration for yet another glorious "moment in the sun".

I think we need to be pessimistic about football for a variety of reasons

 

1) The on going challenges in the European revolving and their  freedom to in effect tear up contracts which will impact significantly to clubs like Brighton who have massive net transfer income.This is something that FIFA now have to address . It’s possible separate rules will apply for EU countries. Possible but highly unlikely.

2) Another challenge is an ongoing case namely  that players that have been contracted for in excess of 2 years should be treated as are other  employees who are in situ for two or more years  . What that could ultimately mean is that a player who has been at the same club for  say 5 years and that contract is now concluded and isn’t considered to be up to a first team squad place has to be reengaged. It gets further complicated because of the rules around redundancy 

3) The minimum wage and holiday entitlement for non league players who are on contracts. Linked to that is HMRC enforcement of rules around non contract players.

4) The Football regulator 

5) PSR/FFP isn’t going away. Players wages won’t be going down ( see 1 above) Fees if they survive will reduce with far more going into the players wages