Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 54 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Winks has been on approx 90k a week since he joined us in The Championship in 23/24 season. That’s what he’s being paid now too. Source? And no relegation clauses, despite quite a lot of reports of them for other players? 1
funkyrobot Posted 19 January Posted 19 January (edited) 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: And you know that for sure ? Capology.com is the go to website for wages. It’s still an approximate but a good one. Coady was on £75k. Interesting to note that Faes contract had a bigger relegation clause and that he’s on £25k this season. (Edit actually probably means he’s having half his wages paid by us…👀) Explains why he’s been easier to loan out whereas we know Winks on 90k, Bouba on 80k and Daka on 75k aren’t likely to go anywhere. Edited 19 January by funkyrobot 1
funkyrobot Posted 19 January Posted 19 January (edited) 51 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Source? And no relegation clauses, despite quite a lot of reports of them for other players? Only certain players. Winks obviously negotiated well. He dropped down a division from Spurs because it wouldn’t impact on him financially and obvs has assurances that it wouldn’t change during the 3 years. Edited 19 January by funkyrobot
Broof Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 2 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Capology.com is the go to website for wages. It’s still an approximate but a good one. Coady was on £75k. Interesting to note that Faes contract had a bigger relegation clause and that he’s on £25k this season. Explains why he’s been easier to loan out whereas we know Winks on 90k, Bouba on 80k and Daka on 75k aren’t likely to go anywhere. And capology get their numbers from..? 2
funkyrobot Posted 19 January Posted 19 January (edited) 5 minutes ago, Broof said: And capology get their numbers from..? Go and have a look yourself. Their numbers are far more reliable than someone on here theorising. I started checking it after there was a general consensus amongst fans that Luke Thomas had signed a new contract because the club had reduced his wage only to see from capology that his wage had doubled. Edited 19 January by funkyrobot
Chelmofox Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 1 minute ago, funkyrobot said: Go and have a look yourself. Their numbers are far more reliable than someone on here theorising. I started checking it after there was a general consensus amongst fans that Luke Thomas had signed a new contract because the club had reduced his wage only to see from capology that his wage had doubled. How do you know they are more reliable? 2
funkyrobot Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 4 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: How do you know they are more reliable? Have you looked at the website? Looked at their partners? It’s 100% more accurate than the bloke next to you at the footy theorising what they think Winks was on. He’s the highest paid player in The Championship
Winstonthedog Posted 19 January Posted 19 January (edited) 1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Source? And no relegation clauses, despite quite a lot of reports of them for other players? Whatever he's on .... its a massive embarrassment to whoever negotiated this at King Power.... and shows Winks is far from professional as no matter what his issues are he should train and play like a professional player on a decent wage .... not some privileged spoilt brat Edited 19 January by Winstonthedog Spelling
Chelmofox Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 10 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Have you looked at the website? Looked at their partners? It’s 100% more accurate than the bloke next to you at the footy theorising what they think Winks was on. He’s the highest paid player in The Championship No - i just work in the data industry albeit in a completely different field. I dont see how a source like this can be accurate as surely most of the contracts are confidential? They are surely still estimated, but probably with more credibility than the bloke next to me. 3
funkyrobot Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 1 hour ago, Chelmofox said: No - i just work in the data industry albeit in a completely different field. I dont see how a source like this can be accurate as surely most of the contracts are confidential? They are surely still estimated, but probably with more credibility than the bloke next to me. Yeh not all fully verified but used by the industry and partner links can be seen on the website. Bouba and Ricardo are verified at 80k and Winks’ wages are reported on multiple platforms as 80k plus in line with Capology.
st albans fox Posted 19 January Posted 19 January 2 hours ago, funkyrobot said: Capology.com is the go to website for wages. It’s still an approximate but a good one. Coady was on £75k. Interesting to note that Faes contract had a bigger relegation clause and that he’s on £25k this season. (Edit actually probably means he’s having half his wages paid by us…👀) Explains why he’s been easier to loan out whereas we know Winks on 90k, Bouba on 80k and Daka on 75k aren’t likely to go anywhere. All players had a relegation clause. We did not pay winks 90k per week in the championship when we bought him unless that included his s/o fee. And that wouldn’t have been much more than 15k/week. from what I know, he was on approx 60k in the championship with an increase to approx 90k in the PL. still ridiculously high. ( that could have been with s/o fee included) The reason you know that Faes is on 25k/week is because he’s moved so it’s leaked from the Monaco end. Percy told us that players had relegation clauses. but even with those, the likes of bouba, daka and winks are still out of the reach of most European clubs that would be interested. 1
Sly Posted 20 January Posted 20 January Capology website… We strongly advise that all salaries on our website are estimates, even verified players. While Capology strives for accuracy, we do not have access to players' contracts for official confirmation. However, the accuracy of Capology's coverage strongly correlates to the popularity of any given league. For example, the English Premier League, Serie A, and MLS are Capology's most accurate salaries based on trusted sources, the amount of press coverage, and the interest of the Capology community 1 1
st albans fox Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 1 hour ago, Sly said: Capology website… We strongly advise that all salaries on our website are estimates, even verified players. While Capology strives for accuracy, we do not have access to players' contracts for official confirmation. However, the accuracy of Capology's coverage strongly correlates to the popularity of any given league. For example, the English Premier League, Serie A, and MLS are Capology's most accurate salaries based on trusted sources, the amount of press coverage, and the interest of the Capology community I would doubt that they would have much info on relegation clause details 4
Terraloon Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: I would doubt that they would have much info on relegation clause details Of course it’s a conversation point but there is absolutely no way that you will find out precise details of who gets paid what nor indeed how their remuneration package is put together. Personally I think that’s only right. Does the player get a % paid by way of image rights? Are there individual bonuses for say appearances, goal scored signing on fees or what about benefits in kinds as a consequence of say the club paying agent fees or what a club car , provision of accommodation flights home or maybe even relocation payments over a certain level. The press in particular love to add to the number but still no one has a clue save those personally involved have a handle as to the exact numbers but often the ball park figures published by Capology are said by some to be the best source. I personally am far from sure they are any more reliable than Fred down the pub who has guessed! Even reference to the accounts will only give you an idea of a clubs expenditure on squad wages . Very few clubs will tell you anymore than the total company expenditure on wages . Included in the total wage spend will include everyone on a clubs payroll from groundsman to the person in the club shop but even then it’s not straight forward when comparing on a club by club basis because some clubs hire contractors or outsource tasks like upkeep of pitches, stewarding and some clubs because of their deals with sponsors don’t even run the clubs retail outlets. At the moment initially only UEFA and no doubt at some point both the PL and likely the EFL will follow are adopting a far more relevant measure called Squad Ratio Costs (SCR) which will focus on how much a club is spending on players and certain support staff. The new UEFA approach does to a degree include debt. There are four elements that are included in SCR: 1)Wage costs 2) Amortisation 3) Impairment 4) Agent fees. For me in the case of LCFC I would guess that if you want to get a ball park figure of the sum the club is spending on players try this calculation but it will only tell you historical numbers 1) 80% of the total wage costs as per the accounts. The suggestion by some is this is as good a % to be used. Again who knows . 2) Player Amortisation and impairment as per the accounts 3) Agent fees . These numbers are published annually by the FA around mid Feb. The last numbers published for the year 24/25 for LCFC was the best part of £10 million. 1
Spudulike Posted 20 January Posted 20 January Does this discussion about player values/contracts etc deserve it's own thread? It would be clearer if we stuck to PSR allegations and in particular the looming threat of possible sanctions/punishment. 1 1
JJD_LCFC Posted 20 January Posted 20 January I don’t understand how the sanctions take so long. Either we are guilty or not. we need to accept the punishment and deal with it. Longer it goes on the worse it gets. we could have accepted this in the PL, gone down and not wasted millions on Ayew and Skipp and been in a position to plan for the championship and move forwards. no we are still regressing with no positive signs for 2026/27 when we will still be in the championship.
ClaphamFox Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 6 minutes ago, JJD_LCFC said: I don’t understand how the sanctions take so long. Either we are guilty or not. we need to accept the punishment and deal with it. Longer it goes on the worse it gets. we could have accepted this in the PL, gone down and not wasted millions on Ayew and Skipp and been in a position to plan for the championship and move forwards. no we are still regressing with no positive signs for 2026/27 when we will still be in the championship. There are various possible reasons for the delay. First, we were charged with two offences in addition to the PSR breach, which means there is more for the commission to decide on. Second, it's highly likely that we didn't just admit guilt (as Forest did) but robustly defended ourselves against at least some—and possibly all—of the charges, which has made our case more complicated. Third, because this will be the first case heard across jurisdictions (ie, charged by the PL under EFL rules), there may be further legal complexities to iron out. And fourth, as @Globalfox has described, the Commission has a heavy workload and we are just one of several cases they are looking at. Personally I've given up wondering when we'll hear the verdict. It will come when it does.
funkyrobot Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 14 hours ago, st albans fox said: All players had a relegation clause. We did not pay winks 90k per week in the championship when we bought him unless that included his s/o fee. And that wouldn’t have been much more than 15k/week. from what I know, he was on approx 60k in the championship with an increase to approx 90k in the PL. still ridiculously high. ( that could have been with s/o fee included) The reason you know that Faes is on 25k/week is because he’s moved so it’s leaked from the Monaco end. Percy told us that players had relegation clauses. but even with those, the likes of bouba, daka and winks are still out of the reach of most European clubs that would be interested. Winks signed for us in The Championship when he was under contract at Spurs on 90k. There’s no way he would’ve taken a 30k wage drop and a drop into the Championship. The vast majority of info on the internet backs up what Capology state - that he’s on 80+k and has been throughout his 3 years, however that has been paid. Ricardo and Soumare’s wages are verified at 80k
funkyrobot Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 1 hour ago, Spudulike said: Does this discussion about player values/contracts etc deserve it's own thread? It would be clearer if we stuck to PSR allegations and in particular the looming threat of possible sanctions/punishment. Player wages are 100% relevant to PSR
Popular Post Babylon Posted 20 January Popular Post Posted 20 January 12 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Winks signed for us in The Championship when he was under contract at Spurs on 90k. There’s no way he would’ve taken a 30k wage drop and a drop into the Championship. The vast majority of info on the internet backs up what Capology state - that he’s on 80+k and has been throughout his 3 years, however that has been paid. Ricardo and Soumare’s wages are verified at 80k Unless they have a copy of last week's pay slips, they are not "confirmed". Capology is a load of shit, just like every other website purporting to know wages of platers. A load of people repeating their made-up shit doesn't make them more accurate, FFS. They're scraping the internet and newspapers for alleged wages, which aren't facts. Case in point in 2022 / 2023 they have our payroll for the first team as £84m. Our CONFIRMED costs of wages is £180m for that period. Now, that figure includes ladies team, youth team, club staff. But they aren't going to be on so much that it adds another ONE HUNDRED MILLION. 6
st albans fox Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 41 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Winks signed for us in The Championship when he was under contract at Spurs on 90k. There’s no way he would’ve taken a 30k wage drop and a drop into the Championship. The vast majority of info on the internet backs up what Capology state - that he’s on 80+k and has been throughout his 3 years, however that has been paid. Ricardo and Soumare’s wages are verified at 80k Can’t believe that Spurs were paying a bit part player from Hemel 90k/week when he’d been injured for a fair part of the season before. Spurs are the worst payers in the big six. The deal for him @10m has its own questions about it - how much was to inflate Maddison’s deal to help out psr position? That could also have consequences in his package over three years. As teraloon says, we don’t know and we won’t know
UniFox21 Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 27 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Can’t believe that Spurs were paying a bit part player from Hemel 90k/week when he’d been injured for a fair part of the season before. Spurs are the worst payers in the big six. The deal for him @10m has its own questions about it - how much was to inflate Maddison’s deal to help out psr position? That could also have consequences in his package over three years. As teraloon says, we don’t know and we won’t know Our pull was offering higher wages to attract talent that otherwise wouldn't usually come to us at that stage of their career.
Claudio Fannieri Posted 20 January Posted 20 January Regardless of the debate as to whether capology is a reliable source for individual player wages, what is clear and is 100% verified by the 2023/24 accounts was that the club even then was still spending 106% of our revenue on wages. This is before you take into account any other day to day running costs etc. Absolutely unsustainable for any business to be operating like this. 2
funkyrobot Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 53 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Can’t believe that Spurs were paying a bit part player from Hemel 90k/week when he’d been injured for a fair part of the season before. Spurs are the worst payers in the big six. The deal for him @10m has its own questions about it - how much was to inflate Maddison’s deal to help out psr position? That could also have consequences in his package over three years. As teraloon says, we don’t know and we won’t know As I say, pretty much all information online backs up what I say. We are notoriously high over payers which is why players never leave. Luke Thomas is on 30k plus bonuses. The idea that a prime age Harry Winks is pushing 80k plus is very much within the realms of reality.
JJD_LCFC Posted 20 January Posted 20 January 2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said: There are various possible reasons for the delay. First, we were charged with two offences in addition to the PSR breach, which means there is more for the commission to decide on. Second, it's highly likely that we didn't just admit guilt (as Forest did) but robustly defended ourselves against at least some—and possibly all—of the charges, which has made our case more complicated. Third, because this will be the first case heard across jurisdictions (ie, charged by the PL under EFL rules), there may be further legal complexities to iron out. And fourth, as @Globalfox has described, the Commission has a heavy workload and we are just one of several cases they are looking at. Personally I've given up wondering when we'll hear the verdict. It will come when it does. Thanks for this. Can see why the delays then, but hinders our club all the time. Would be much better off knowing the points deduction and moving on from this.
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