AyewJoking Posted 13 January Posted 13 January On 10/01/2026 at 04:48, Globalfox said: The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun. yes there were times back in 2016 where i would 100% take the mess we are today if it meant we could acheive the impossible. Had some amazing feats in the following years too.
Molson Canadian Posted 13 January Posted 13 January On 09/01/2026 at 20:48, Globalfox said: The latter part of this thread raises the question what do supporters really want. Relative comfort in the EPL but have never won anything like Brighton or have a punt go for broke win something and then suffer for it. Would you be a West Ham fan who seems to trade success for entertaining football. What we did in 2016 followed by the FA Cup and European nights will never be repeated by a club of our size ever again. Forest may build a 50000 stadium but will they fill it? Even Villa struggle in the second city. Newcastle have been castrated in ambitions. I would love to see Wrexham make it just to watch the politics and rules take hold and see how they deal with it. The new EPL spending rules finish ambition forever as the big six get bigger and the gap widens. What do Leicester fans really want to see now because I fear we had our moment in the sun. 1
fazzyfox Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 2 hours ago, Wink84 said: If weve breached last season as well it will be bedlam on here. Maybe it's time the club hired an accountant or something. What and replace this guy? 2
Popular Post StanSP Posted 13 January Popular Post Posted 13 January These days I'm more surprised when the club does something right compared to something going wrong. 7
HankMarvin Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 1 hour ago, jayfox26 said: I mean if we failed PSR for 23-24 and put the KDH money into those accounts and then go ahead and fail 24-25 (when we could have moved the KDH money into those accounts) then the level of incompetence far exceeds anything we already thought was possible.. Percy said in August 24 Leicester are hopeful of avoiding breaches for last season after completing the £30 million sale of Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall to Chelsea, while also banking £10 million in compensation for manager Enzo Maresca before June 30. I don’t know if the contested year they argued was the relegation year prior, due to the unforeseen loss of income finishing 18th and sacking Rodgers. All the seasons seem to role into one as there has been so much mismanagement
Terraloon Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said: Be amazed if we breached it for 24/25. Net spend was only around £35m for 24/25. 23/24 we gained +£50m in transfers. 25/26 was once again a gain of around +£50m and that’s not including the pending Bilal sale. The wages are killing us though and won’t really come to a more realistic level until June 2027. As I have said previously I think it’s going to be incredibly tight for 24/25 and it all depends just how much the wage bill impacted. The basic costs such as business rates, gas electric etc are way too high for a Championship club. I think the fact that the £105 million allowable loss will drop like a stone in 25/26 so I would think there will be a charge. That is unless promotion is achieved. Cough Cough ! You mention 27/28 and yes potentially the wage bill will have dropped significantly but likely is that income will likewise have dropped to significantly to a point where the costs I mention above alone will be circa 50% of the clubs total income. Another concern would be that to retain Category 1 academy status the club will have to be investing over £2.5 million Pa into the academy. Although it’s tempting there are far more numbers and factors that need to be added in when it comes to assessing how player trading impacts. When you factor in things like signing on fees that are still to be paid, sums from the original fees that need still to be amortised, sell on clauses etc etc then . My guesstimate for 25/26 for instance is that the profit from players sold will be way under £30m yes there will be a marginal saving in terms of global amortisation but the fact that all the staged payments due for players sold has been advanced means that circa 10% of those fees will ultimately disappear in interest and charges
Popular Post foxfanazer Posted 13 January Popular Post Posted 13 January I don't even want them to keep getting away with it 6
Ric Flair Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 2 minutes ago, Terraloon said: As I have said previously I think it’s going to be incredibly tight for 24/25 and it all depends just how much the wage bill impacted. The basic costs such as business rates, gas electric etc are way too high for a Championship club. I think the fact that the £105 million allowable loss will drop like a stone in 25/26 so I would think there will be a charge. That is unless promotion is achieved. Cough Cough ! You mention 27/28 and yes potentially the wage bill will have dropped significantly but likely is that income will likewise have dropped to significantly to a point where the costs I mention above alone will be circa 50% of the clubs total income. Another concern would be that to retain Category 1 academy status the club will have to be investing over £2.5 million Pa into the academy. Although it’s tempting there are far more numbers and factors that need to be added in when it comes to assessing how player trading impacts. When you factor in things like signing on fees that are still to be paid, sums from the original fees that need still to be amortised, sell on clauses etc etc then . My guesstimate for 25/26 for instance is that the profit from players sold will be way under £30m yes there will be a marginal saving in terms of global amortisation but the fact that all the staged payments due for players sold has been advanced means that circa 10% of those fees will ultimately disappear in interest and charges Not only are we awaiting the outcome of the IC for 23/24, we find out tomorrow from the Prem if we failed 24/25 and I presume we have to prove to the EFL how we comply for 25/26?
Terraloon Posted 13 January Posted 13 January (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Not only are we awaiting the outcome of the IC for 23/24, we find out tomorrow from the Prem if we failed 24/25 and I presume we have to prove to the EFL how we comply for 25/26? That’s right on the face of it but the question re jurisdiction complicates for me that is if the £105m has been exceeded. Would the EFL charge using the PL rules ? As I said the other day the only numbers that are realistically in the public domain are months out of date so the 24/25 so time will tell but there is so little communication coming out we don’t know what the EFL have said to the club and or what plan is being worked to .If at all ! Edited 13 January by Terraloon
HankMarvin Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 17 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: I don't even want them to keep getting away with it Nothing changes though, it just gets worse. Shitter managers, shitter players. Points deductions, no transfers. It’s unlikely Top would cut his losses with the club on its arse in the worst state it’s been in for a long time. There will be some sort of deluded belief that he can near replicate what his father achieved, or at the very least make the us a prem club, because he was there to see it first hand. 3
Terraloon Posted 13 January Posted 13 January Another thing I think may impact is that whilst in the accounts we will only see circa 1% charged by KPI for the loans they have made certainly going forward the rule changes following the Man City arbitration win around interest being appropriate for owners loans at a rate which I would imagine would be way in excess of the sum I mention above bear in mind that in 23/24 KPI reduced the sum they charge down from 6%to 1% 2
Pliskin Posted 13 January Posted 13 January I’d love the KPFC brigade try and defend another breach…… who’s fault would it be this time? 1
foxfanazer Posted 13 January Posted 13 January 24 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Nothing changes though, it just gets worse. Shitter managers, shitter players. Points deductions, no transfers. It’s unlikely Top would cut his losses with the club on its arse in the worst state it’s been in for a long time. There will be some sort of deluded belief that he can near replicate what his father achieved, or at the very least make the us a prem club, because he was there to see it first hand. Yeah I get ya. I'm kind of past caring even about the implications it has on the club to be perfectly honest. It's just an utter embarrassment 1
1972 Fox Posted 13 January Posted 13 January (edited) 6 hours ago, Terraloon said: there is so little communication What is this communication thing you talk of? Edited 14 January by 1972 Fox
Nolucklcfc Posted 13 January Posted 13 January If they breach again, the position of those in charge becomes untenable. 1
filbertway Posted 14 January Posted 14 January Always annoys me when I see people peddling this weird line of "i'd rather be run badly and win something than ran well and not win something" As if being ran poorly is a prerequisite for success The FA Cup win was a result of being ran well - Rodgers took the foundations laid by Puel and Macia did well on the pitch but him and Rudkin were undoing that good work within 12 months of him joining, but we still had a squad littered with talent. The league win was obviously a complete freak. We somehow managed to sign the best CM in the world and had Mahrez and Vardy putting in a world class season. Success is generally a by-product of doing well though. It's not a choice of make terrible decisions and win or make consistently good decisions and not win. 3
Popular Post filbertway Posted 14 January Popular Post Posted 14 January 9 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said: If they breach again, the position of those in charge becomes untenable. I think we passed the "untenable" stage a while a go, clearly the positions are absolutely not untenable regardless of performance haha. 7 1
stu Posted 14 January Posted 14 January (edited) 18 hours ago, 87fox said: Fingers crossed there isn't another charge coming relating to 2024-25! Thought the announcement has been made by this time last year if it was coming today? Edited 14 January by stu spelling
ClaphamFox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 2 minutes ago, stu said: Thought the annoucement has been made by this time last year if it was coming today? Yes - was around 11am last year I think.
Richmondfox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 15 hours ago, Pliskin said: I’d love the KPFC brigade try and defend another breach…… who’s fault would it be this time? Surely they have tax exemptions for running the KPFC donkey sanctuary.
87fox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January Admittedly this is very rough, back of a fag packet calculations, and I'm prepared to take abuse for this being wildly wrong and holes being picked throughout it. Using some basic known metrics from our 2022/23 season Premier League financial results, and a comparison to 2024/25 Premier League season, I've predicted our broad figures: 2022/23 Turnover: £164m Wages: £190m Transfer amortisation: £77m Sales profit: £75m £90m loss for annual accounts 2024/25 Turnover: £174m (+£10.8m from 22/23 – based on £10.8m additional prize money for finishing 18th compared to 2 years prior) Wages: £120m (-£50m from 22/23 – this is my own, calculated guesstimation based on players that had left between the two seasons - Tielemans, Praet, Barnes, Maddison, etc... - for what it's worth I feel I overestimated slightly) Transfer amortisation: £50m (-£27m from 22/23 – again my own guesstimation, but tracked from the published figure for 2023/24 based on players sold/left as well as single season amortisation for players we signed such as Skipp, Ayew, etc...) Sales profit: £4.5m (-£70m from 22/23 – only Cannon) predicted £53.5m loss for annual accounts I fully understand this is simplistic and there are way more variables – including ticket sales, non-playing staff costs, running costs, energy prices (Seagrave) – way more. But it's as reasonable guess as I feel we'll get to these key figures at this time. For the 2023 to 2025 cycle PSR calculation the predicted £53.5m sits alongside 2023 (£90m) and 2024 (£19.4m) – so £163m total losses. For the 3 seasons 2021 to 2023 combined we lost £215.5m (£33m, £92.5m, £90m), but we know that the true (accepted by PL) addbacks for that period were £91m (this document confirms we were deemed £19.5m over the £105m threshold at the hearing). Even going with a conservative, lessened £80m add backs for 2023 to 2025, we should sit at around £83m losses after addbacks – exactly what the allowable losses are for us in those 3 years. It's going to be tight, but I'm thinking we won't be in the same ballpark of a huge breach as we have been for other years. 2
Stuntman_Mike Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 16 hours ago, foxfanazer said: I don't even want them to keep getting away with it It's crazy aint it, but we're genuinely at that stage if we want change and for those in denial to get on board.
HankMarvin Posted 14 January Posted 14 January 41 minutes ago, 87fox said: Admittedly this is very rough, back of a fag packet calculations, and I'm prepared to take abuse for this being wildly wrong and holes being picked throughout it. Using some basic known metrics from our 2022/23 season Premier League financial results, and a comparison to 2024/25 Premier League season, I've predicted our broad figures: 2022/23 Turnover: £164m Wages: £190m Transfer amortisation: £77m Sales profit: £75m £90m loss for annual accounts 2024/25 Turnover: £174m (+£10.8m from 22/23 – based on £10.8m additional prize money for finishing 18th compared to 2 years prior) Wages: £120m (-£50m from 22/23 – this is my own, calculated guesstimation based on players that had left between the two seasons - Tielemans, Praet, Barnes, Maddison, etc... - for what it's worth I feel I overestimated slightly) Transfer amortisation: £50m (-£27m from 22/23 – again my own guesstimation, but tracked from the published figure for 2023/24 based on players sold/left as well as single season amortisation for players we signed such as Skipp, Ayew, etc...) Sales profit: £4.5m (-£70m from 22/23 – only Cannon) predicted £53.5m loss for annual accounts I fully understand this is simplistic and there are way more variables – including ticket sales, non-playing staff costs, running costs, energy prices (Seagrave) – way more. But it's as reasonable guess as I feel we'll get to these key figures at this time. For the 2023 to 2025 cycle PSR calculation the predicted £53.5m sits alongside 2023 (£90m) and 2024 (£19.4m) – so £163m total losses. For the 3 seasons 2021 to 2023 combined we lost £215.5m (£33m, £92.5m, £90m), but we know that the true (accepted by PL) addbacks for that period were £91m (this document confirms we were deemed £19.5m over the £105m threshold at the hearing). Even going with a conservative, lessened £80m add backs for 2023 to 2025, we should sit at around £83m losses after addbacks – exactly what the allowable losses are for us in those 3 years. It's going to be tight, but I'm thinking we won't be in the same ballpark of a huge breach as we have been for other years. Isn’t the accumulative effect taken into account, when punishments are decided? Also I’d hate to think how bad the negotiations for outgoing players could get, if we get another failed season that’s out in the public domain.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 14 January Posted 14 January I can't see how we can have a points deduction this season even if we fail these alleged financial issues. If we were then we would appeal as first it's wrong and secondly we would have no time to recover those points.
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