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Ukrainian MP saying the agreements made in Paris are for the Uk, France and Netherlands to immediately send troops to Ukraine to fight Russians NOT after the war. This was always on the cards and a good distraction for Starmer and Macron from terrible domestic situations. 

leicsmac

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36 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Delivery, delivery, delivery. The latest Labour slogan. Must have heard it 20 times from various Labour MP's over the past two days. Don't they understand the public are sick to death of hearing this guff as an answer to every difficult question. 

 

Emily Thornberry has just said it. Labour are not listening.

 

10 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Btw if the country want to elect reform, we will get what we deserve.
 

If you think we have problems now, the consequences of them being the majority party would be horrific and downright destroy society. If you think Rayner has been wrong, the characters they even collected up to date as MPs are downright awful. It says a lot when Lee Anderson would be considered the most ethical.
 

Two of their current MPs shared their time with the US and Dubai with a clear hand in the fossil fuels market. Another has an offence for assaulting a women. One of their mayors is a boxer and another wants a spot on Britains Got Talent. If that’s their best, then what’s coming down the track? 
 

Equally I don’t think a lot of people underneath how ****ing crippling Liz Truss’s budget was and how that completely pushed everything under stress and strain. It made decent people have to find money to pay substantial increases in their mortgages and how that’s played into everything is understated by many 

These posts highlight the crossroads were at, I think. 

 

People, rightly or wrongly, feeling that they're not getting what they want from government, and then in the name of change, any change, bringing in a government that is practically guaranteed to make everyone's lives worse. 

 

And that's on the voters, as well as the politicians that were not listening to them. People have agency, and they have responsibility for the consequences of their votes.

CornwallFox

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38 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Delivery, delivery, delivery. The latest Labour slogan. Must have heard it 20 times from various Labour MP's over the past two days. Don't they understand the public are sick to death of hearing this guff as an answer to every difficult question. 

 

Emily Thornberry has just said it. Labour are not listening.

So if it's not delivery you want, what do you want? 

Almost everything they have planned is individually popular: stopping boats and immigration hotels, more money into health and education, GB energy etc

So if you don't want them to deliver that stuff, what do you want them to say?

leicsmac

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10 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I swear folk have amnesia. Between 2010 and 2024, what actually improved? The ghost of an argument to say that educational outcomes did, but at the cost of chronic underinvestment and a demoralised teaching profession. 

 

Other than that, nothing. And set against a backdrop of the worst foreign policy disaster since Suez, aka Brexit. And that referendum was a naked example of Cameron trying to end an internal party feud with a gamble. 

It's small-picture self interested politics trying to seize control right now (and in a lot of ways it's succeeding), and it's in no way compatible with any kind of sustainable future. 

 

Or if it is, I would, yet again, like to know how and why. 

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20 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

So if it's not delivery you want, what do you want? 

Almost everything they have planned is individually popular: stopping boats and immigration hotels, more money into health and education, GB energy etc

So if you don't want them to deliver that stuff, what do you want them to say?

I want them to stop the silly rehearsed slogans and treat us with some respect. '14 years of Conservatives', '£22b black hole', 'further and faster' it goes on and on. Just shut the Fuch up and get on with it. 

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39 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I want them to stop the silly rehearsed slogans and treat us with some respect. '14 years of Conservatives', '£22b black hole', 'further and faster' it goes on and on. Just shut the Fuch up and get on with it. 

Oh right, yeah tbh every party fits that and it's equally annoying I agree. 

I often think labour would be better if they explained themselves better. 

The GB energy/net zero thing, for example, the right has been very good at building anti net zero sentiment. But it would be easily crushed off labour were competent at explaining its policies.

leicsmac

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18 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Oh right, yeah tbh every party fits that and it's equally annoying I agree. 

I often think labour would be better if they explained themselves better. 

The GB energy/net zero thing, for example, the right has been very good at building anti net zero sentiment. But it would be easily crushed off labour were competent at explaining its policies.

I'm still a little baffled as to why they have nailed their colours to that particular mast so intently. 

 

Can't quite get my head around the idea of so many people not giving a shite about their own future (and legacy, which I know often is the only thing that means much to sociopaths), to say nothing of everyone else's. 

leicsmac

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr9r4qr0ppo

 

US President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Friday that directs the Department of Defense to be known as the Department of War.

The move restores a name the agency last held in the 1940s and, according to the text of the order seen by the BBC, the aim is to "project strength and resolve".

 

Well, the primitive bloodlust is at least more obvious now, I guess?

Torquay Gunner

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43 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr9r4qr0ppo

 

US President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Friday that directs the Department of Defense to be known as the Department of War.

The move restores a name the agency last held in the 1940s and, according to the text of the order seen by the BBC, the aim is to "project strength and resolve".

 

Well, the primitive bloodlust is at least more obvious now, I guess?

Anyone  still believe his “President of peace” nonsense? Reforms voters out there, this is the sort of ‘leader’  Farage admires.  This from The Independent.
 

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10 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Anyone  still believe his “President of peace” nonsense? Reforms voters out there, this is the sort of ‘leader’  Farage admires.  This from The Independent.
 

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6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not sure this is helping ol’Don with his Nobel Peace Prize campaign…..

It never was about peace, that was just a snake oil selling point. 

 

It was always about using government apparatus to inflict cruelty and sadism on "undesirable" demographics. They just tried to do a good job of dressing it up in rhetoric. 

 

Either people can't see through the PR, choose not to, or know it's going on and are totally fine with the cruelty. 

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15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

 

It never was about peace, that was just a snake oil selling point. 

 

It was always about using government apparatus to inflict cruelty and sadism on "undesirable" demographics. They just tried to do a good job of dressing it up in rhetoric. 

 

Either people can't see through the PR, choose not to, or know it's going on and are totally fine with the cruelty. 

Or more likely, they feel they lack the necessary capability/time/headspace to effectively impact the play.

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6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Or more likely, they feel they lack the necessary capability/time/headspace to effectively impact the play.

That falls under "choose not to", IMO.

 

3 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Imagine the scenes on here when reform win the next election 

Imagine the scenes elsewhere, too. 

 

Still waiting to hear why it will be a good thing beyond for a very few people for a very short time. 

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17 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Imagine the scenes on here when reform win the next election 

Tell me why you are so excited for this prospect, your favourite Reform policies and how you think they will benefit you.

 

Spell it out in clear, unambiguous terms. Let us leftie plebs know why we should defect to Reform and be excited about the prospect of them being in government. 

 

The floor is yours.

Dr The Singh

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2 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Tell me why you are so excited for this prospect, your favourite Reform policies and how you think they will benefit you.

 

Spell it out in clear, unambiguous terms. Let us leftie plebs know why we should defect to Reform and be excited about the prospect of them being in government. 

 

The floor is yours.

We will get rid of those immigants

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Just now, Dr The Singh said:

We will get rid of those immigants

It'll always come back to that one. That and 'LoL tHe LefT ArE sO TriGGeReD.' Absolutely clueless in the main, because they're more interested in other people suffering than their own lives being better.

Torquay Gunner

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22 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

Imagine the scenes on here when reform win the next election 

Yes Reform are so impressive aren’t they.  I especially like the way they’ve collected the cream of the Tories, Nadine Dories, Anne Widdecombe and er yeah I ‘m out.  

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4 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yes Reform are so impressive aren’t they.  I especially like the way they’ve collected the cream of the Tories, Nadine Dories, Anne Widdecombe and er yeah I ‘m out.  

The funniest thing is the thought of 30p Lee in government. Imagine him in the Foreign Office meeting Putin. Obviously they're pro-Russian, so their negotiating policy would be him parting his cheeks and giving it a wink, but still.

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10 minutes ago, Bilo said:

It'll always come back to that one. That and 'LoL tHe LefT ArE sO TriGGeReD.' Absolutely clueless in the main, because they're more interested in other people suffering than their own lives being better.

Lets be fair though, Labour are the shits though.  I've never seen politics and politicians at such a low.

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