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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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13 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Madness. They want to be arrested to make a point. The average age of those previously arrested is 54. They look much older looking at those pictures. Non-workers, I'd guess, that aren't worried about getting a criminal conviction.

 

Give them all a £1k fine. Easy money alongside parking tickets. Kerrching.

Sod the tax rises this could be a money spinner!

Tommy G

Tommy G

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3 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

Thats not true, inflation was what before they took over and what was growth projections under Sunak?  Explain our debt situation.  So in November what are Labour going to tell us?

 

The worships have nothing to do with Labour.  63 bn doesnt touch the sides.  The rest is weak, as a business owner, if my team came up with a list like that I would be embarrassed,, otal lack of imagination.   

 

How is that going to stimulate productivity?

 

Hence the total lack of respect of Labour.  

 

And what about social cohesion, thay have totally blown that.

They are clambering onto really small success stories that have been overshadowed by poor leadership, corruption and tax evasion, and tax rises with more to come in November. Reverting on disastrous policies like the winter fuel allowance and the the complete disaster that’s been the envy tax on private schools. 
 

The country is in a worse state than 12 months ago but you can’t tell some people.

 

It will be labours fault if reform get in after the next election, because they are so incompetent.

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bovril

bovril

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1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Why a new party and why now?

Our constitution has been steadily eroded by supranational institutions, creeping international law, and unaccountable domestic quangos. Our elected representatives act against the people.

Borders have been dismantled. Mass migration is eroding our culture and destroying our economy.

Free speech is being systematically shut down to silence the majority. Our children are indoctrinated in schools. Justice no longer means justice. Dangerous criminals walk free while law-abiding citizens are punished for what they say.

Nothing works. 

The NHS is broken. Our armed forces are a shadow of what they once were. The police are compromised. The courts are politicised. Our schools and universities have become hotbeds of radical ideology and are no longer seats of learning.

The economy has stagnated. National debt and taxation are at post-war highs. More are on state benefits than ever before.

Dependency has replaced aspiration. Wealth redistribution has replaced wealth creation. We are descending into decay, not building a future.

Our very existence as a free and sovereign people hangs in the balance.

The political establishment has failed. The old and new parties morph into one.  They all sing from the same hymn sheet, offering nothing but decline.

 

Literally everything he's whinging about was caused by the policies and decisions of the party he was a member of, voted for and donated to. 

Politics in England is just basically just projection now. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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32 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

They are clambering onto really small success stories that have been overshadowed by poor leadership, corruption and tax evasion, and tax rises with more to come in November. Reverting on disastrous policies like the winter fuel allowance and the the complete disaster that’s been the envy tax on private schools. 
 

The country is in a worse state than 12 months ago but you can’t tell some people.

 

It will be labours fault if reform get in after the next election, because they are so incompetent.

In the same way that Jan Smuts and the United Party in South Africa were responsible for the election of the National Party in 1948 and all the stuff they got up to subsequently. Or pick whatever historical example one likes. 

 

It's an easy get-out clause for some very nasty people to do some very nasty things by establishing a narrative that the previous incumbents allowed them to get in and do them. 

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Tommy G

Tommy G

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33 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

In the same way that Jan Smuts and the United Party in South Africa were responsible for the election of the National Party in 1948 and all the stuff they got up to subsequently. Or pick whatever historical example one likes. 

 

It's an easy get-out clause for some very nasty people to do some very nasty things by establishing a narrative that the previous incumbents allowed them to get in and do them. 

It’s not a narrative it’s current government failure 

Tommy G

Tommy G

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Just now, leicsmac said:

Isn't it easy to see how the latter can be turned into a usable example of the former?

I’m not going to change you opinion so I’m just going to put the tennis on and hear Sabalenka grunt for a Cpl of hours 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

I’m not going to change you opinion so I’m just going to put the tennis on and hear Sabalenka grunt for a Cpl of hours 

Fair enough, the feeling is mutual and there's a good YouTube short doc on the Bowe-Golota fight and riot that's on my list. :D

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PAULCFC

PAULCFC

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2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Why a new party and why now?

Our constitution has been steadily eroded by supranational institutions, creeping international law, and unaccountable domestic quangos. Our elected representatives act against the people.

Borders have been dismantled. Mass migration is eroding our culture and destroying our economy.

Free speech is being systematically shut down to silence the majority. Our children are indoctrinated in schools. Justice no longer means justice. Dangerous criminals walk free while law-abiding citizens are punished for what they say.

Nothing works. 

The NHS is broken. Our armed forces are a shadow of what they once were. The police are compromised. The courts are politicised. Our schools and universities have become hotbeds of radical ideology and are no longer seats of learning.

The economy has stagnated. National debt and taxation are at post-war highs. More are on state benefits than ever before.

Dependency has replaced aspiration. Wealth redistribution has replaced wealth creation. We are descending into decay, not building a future.

Our very existence as a free and sovereign people hangs in the balance.

The political establishment has failed. The old and new parties morph into one.  They all sing from the same hymn sheet, offering nothing but decline.

 

Literally everything he's whinging about was caused by the policies and decisions of the party he was a member of, voted for and donated to. 

Things have moved on in case you hadn't noticed!

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

They are clambering onto really small success stories that have been overshadowed by poor leadership, corruption and tax evasion, and tax rises with more to come in November. Reverting on disastrous policies like the winter fuel allowance and the the complete disaster that’s been the envy tax on private schools. 
 

The country is in a worse state than 12 months ago but you can’t tell some people.

 

It will be labours fault if reform get in after the next election, because they are so incompetent.

If Labour are that bad how incompetent were the Tories lol

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Zear0

Zear0

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3 hours ago, Tommy G said:

They are clambering onto really small success stories that have been overshadowed by poor leadership, corruption and tax evasion, and tax rises with more to come in November. Reverting on disastrous policies like the winter fuel allowance and the the complete disaster that’s been the envy tax on private schools. 
 

The country is in a worse state than 12 months ago but you can’t tell some people.

 

It will be labours fault if reform get in after the next election, because they are so incompetent.

I'm not sure the persistent use of the phrase "envy tax" is doing you any favours, you're better than that as it's such a nonsensical trope.

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CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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4 hours ago, Tommy G said:

They are clambering onto really small success stories that have been overshadowed by poor leadership, corruption and tax evasion, and tax rises with more to come in November. Reverting on disastrous policies like the winter fuel allowance and the the complete disaster that’s been the envy tax on private schools. 
 

The country is in a worse state than 12 months ago but you can’t tell some people.

 

It will be labours fault if reform get in after the next election, because they are so incompetent.

I’d argue it’s equally the Tories fault for an inability to completely absorb the right leaning voters. Especially considering the financial backing they have at hand. 
 

A good democracy requires good opposition of varying political views to reign it in 

 

 

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CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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Btw if the country want to elect reform, we will get what we deserve.
 

If you think we have problems now, the consequences of them being the majority party would be horrific and downright destroy society. If you think Rayner has been wrong, the characters they even collected up to date as MPs are downright awful. It says a lot when Lee Anderson would be considered the most ethical.
 

Two of their current MPs shared their time with the US and Dubai with a clear hand in the fossil fuels market. Another has an offence for assaulting a women. One of their mayors is a boxer and another wants a spot on Britains Got Talent. If that’s their best, then what’s coming down the track? 
 

Equally I don’t think a lot of people underneath how ****ing crippling Liz Truss’s budget was and how that completely pushed everything under stress and strain. It made decent people have to find money to pay substantial increases in their mortgages and how that’s played into everything is understated by many 

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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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5 hours ago, Tommy G said:

They are clambering onto really small success stories that have been overshadowed by poor leadership, corruption and tax evasion, and tax rises with more to come in November. Reverting on disastrous policies like the winter fuel allowance and the the complete disaster that’s been the envy tax on private schools. 
 

The country is in a worse state than 12 months ago but you can’t tell some people.

 

It will be labours fault if reform get in after the next election, because they are so incompetent.

The one and only benefit of Brexit and you don't even like it. 

urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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On 03/09/2025 at 20:12, urban.spaceman said:

They're anti renewable energy

They're anti net zero

They're anti doing anything to combat climate change

They're anti investment in infrastructure

They're anti house building developments

They're anti abortion

They're anti assisted dying

They're anti Trans

They're anti same sex marriage

They're anti human rights

They're anti NHS

They're anti disability benefits

They're anti SEND diagnoses

They're anti diversity

They're anti equality

They're anti unions

They're anti paying their fair share of tax

They're anti arts funding and education

They're anti regulation

They're anti accountability

 

 

On 03/09/2025 at 20:12, urban.spaceman said:

They're anti renewable energy

They're anti net zero

They're anti doing anything to combat climate change

They're anti investment in infrastructure

They're anti house building developments

They're anti abortion

They're anti assisted dying

They're anti Trans

They're anti same sex marriage

They're anti human rights

They're anti NHS

They're anti disability benefits

They're anti SEND diagnoses

They're anti diversity

They're anti equality

They're anti unions

They're anti paying their fair share of tax

They're anti arts funding and education

They're anti regulation

They're anti accountability

 

They're anti vax

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-conference-speech-royal-family-cancer-covid-vaccine

Tommy G

Tommy G

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6 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

The one and only benefit of Brexit and you don't even like it. 

Not interested in Brexit, I never wanted it nor voted for it. 

Lionator

Lionator

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9 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Btw if the country want to elect reform, we will get what we deserve.
 

If you think we have problems now, the consequences of them being the majority party would be horrific and downright destroy society. If you think Rayner has been wrong, the characters they even collected up to date as MPs are downright awful. It says a lot when Lee Anderson would be considered the most ethical.
 

Two of their current MPs shared their time with the US and Dubai with a clear hand in the fossil fuels market. Another has an offence for assaulting a women. One of their mayors is a boxer and another wants a spot on Britains Got Talent. If that’s their best, then what’s coming down the track? 
 

Equally I don’t think a lot of people underneath how ****ing crippling Liz Truss’s budget was and how that completely pushed everything under stress and strain. It made decent people have to find money to pay substantial increases in their mortgages and how that’s played into everything is understated by many 

Im of the opinion now that the media keep quiet on the scandals until they’re in power, then it’ll all come out as it’s headlines and gives them something to talk about. Obviously insane but I can’t think of any other reason. 

Spudulike

Spudulike

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Delivery, delivery, delivery. The latest Labour slogan. Must have heard it 20 times from various Labour MP's over the past two days. Don't they understand the public are sick to death of hearing this guff as an answer to every difficult question. 

 

Emily Thornberry has just said it. Labour are not listening.

CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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28 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Im of the opinion now that the media keep quiet on the scandals until they’re in power, then it’ll all come out as it’s headlines and gives them something to talk about. Obviously insane but I can’t think of any other reason. 

David Yelland, former editor of that leftist hotbed The Sun, mentioned on Twitter this weekend that three newspaper editors were actively gunning for Rayner which included journalists constantly outside her front door(s). They’ve been trying the best part of the year to get a story they can make stick. 

CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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22 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Delivery, delivery, delivery. The latest Labour slogan. Must have heard it 20 times from various Labour MP's over the past two days. Don't they understand the public are sick to death of hearing this guff as an answer to every difficult question. 

 

Emily Thornberry has just said it. Labour are not listening.

Latest strategy fron their comms. Good article on it by the BBC. I’d say it’s incredibly high risk by them as it’s setting a line for their second yesr in power which will be astonishingly dofficult to keep 

Guest Bilo

Guest Bilo

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12 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

If Labour are that bad how incompetent were the Tories lol

I swear folk have amnesia. Between 2010 and 2024, what actually improved? The ghost of an argument to say that educational outcomes did, but at the cost of chronic underinvestment and a demoralised teaching profession. 

 

Other than that, nothing. And set against a backdrop of the worst foreign policy disaster since Suez, aka Brexit. And that referendum was a naked example of Cameron trying to end an internal party feud with a gamble. 

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