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Harry Winks (gone to Cagliari, official)

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Jon the Hat

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15 minutes ago, PaulW said:

He's not prepared to travel the eighty-odd miles to Seagrave!

Are we possibly exaggerating a bit now?  He was and is prepared to travel to Seagrave or indeed the ground, every day, just not to stay overnight when he had a small baby at home.

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Gamble92

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31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Are we possibly exaggerating a bit now?  He was and is prepared to travel to Seagrave or indeed the ground, every day, just not to stay overnight when he had a small baby at home.

Be great if we could all say no to our work like this wouldn't it?

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Dahnsouff

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3 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Be great if we could all say no to our work like this wouldn't it?

Well, we can, like a 4 day week or whatever. You ask, they say yeah or nay, and then you react accordingly. 
They say nay, he says not good enough, we say sit on the bench bitch.  :dunno:

 

The whole thing with Winks has become beyond meme at this point, and we look like petulant children at this point.

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Dahnsouff

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2 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

They can make you unemployed though. 

Nope. You have a contract, and I strongly doubt this would count as a sackable offence without a first warning.

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volpeazzurro

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2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Nope. You have a contract, and I strongly doubt this would count as a sackable offence without a first warning.

You’re probably quite right of course but it makes you wonder how inept people are at drawing up contracts doesn’t it? It’s one thing allowing a player to live a certain distance from home with a proviso that he arrives to training on time every day, but on a match day when energy and concentration levels need to be at a peak at the top level of football, a long drive just isn’t commensurate with that. There should be boundaries set before signing a player earning supposedly £80k+ per week. However, it speaks volumes of him as an individual if he’s unwilling to even turn up for his manager and teammates possibly once a fortnight and stop at a 4* hotel the night before a game when your team’s trying to fight relegation. Perhaps all players contracts should have a clause regarding expected pre-match expectations?

Dahnsouff

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1 minute ago, volpeazzurro said:

You’re probably quite right of course but it makes you wonder how inept people are at drawing up contracts doesn’t it? It’s one thing allowing a player to live a certain distance from home with a proviso that he arrives to training on time every day, but on a match day when energy and concentration levels need to be at a peak at the top level of football, a long drive just isn’t commensurate with that. There should be boundaries set before signing a player earning supposedly £80k+ per week. However, it speaks volumes of him as an individual if he’s unwilling to even turn up for his manager and teammates possibly once a fortnight and stop at a 4* hotel the night before a game when your team’s trying to fight relegation. Perhaps all players contracts should have a clause regarding expected pre-match expectations?

He has just had a kid I thought, and if so it seems a million miles from unreasonable too me, but each to their own.

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Tommy G

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6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

He has just had a kid I thought, and if so it seems a million miles from unreasonable too me, but each to their own.

Are you from the working from home brigade?

The boy Linacre

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Its one of those ones where you can see both sides.

Don't think it was unreasonable to ask him to stay one night, BUT do we actually all know the clear truth on this OR was it Rudd just having a problem with him, hanging him out to dry to get what he wanted, and now most have judged and he is getting the brown stuff thrown at him from the fans when in reality, it is slightly unfair???

Would it have killed him to acquiesce, obviously based on what happened.  He is VERY privileged, and when he's retired earning much less he might see he was a bit of dick about it.

 

Thought he was very good the last time we got promoted, for whatever reason when Enzo left he lost his mojo, IF everything we saw was true about Copenhagen again he was a dick on that, BUT it could have been a set up with him etc.

He's got his reputation now with the fans, which is a shame for the club and him, I hope he makes the effort, certainly at this level, on most of his days he is one of our best calming, inventive, sensible midfielders.

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Dahnsouff

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Just now, Tommy G said:

Are you from the working from home brigade?

Not sure how that is anyway relevant to the discussion (if we park our preconceptions) but yes I am.

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Tommy G

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2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Weird reaction @Tommy G - would you care to elaborate? 
In my mind, if he does his work as required, then work should be accommodating in such scenarios.

It was more about millions and millions of people have had babies - it's actually his wife who has had the baby, and people don't shy away from their responsibilities just because this is the case. 

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13 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

It was more about millions and millions of people have had babies - it's actually his wife who has had the baby, and people don't shy away from their responsibilities just because this is the case. 


 

maybe there’s a health issue with his wife post-Delivery? Maybe she’s got post Partum depression?.  I mean, it’s actually quite hard to know fully what’s going on…  yet people still pass judgement.

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Edingleyfox

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Winks could be very useful supporting the new players with his quality and distribution. I’m not so bothered whether he commutes as long as he is fit looks committed on the pitch

Dahnsouff

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23 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

It was more about millions and millions of people have had babies - it's actually his wife who has had the baby, and people don't shy away from their responsibilities just because this is the case. 

OK. No disagreement there, but the responsibility lies with both employee and employer. 

kenny

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9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

OK. No disagreement there, but the responsibility lies with both employee and employer. 

If I were in charge of HR at LCFC, there are a number of employees that would be ideal for a full-time work from home policy that would end at the end of their contracts. With these particular employees, I think that they would be just as efficient at their jobs at home as they would being forced to come into to their place of work.

 

The reduced travelling time by not having to go to Seagrave improves their efficiency without any detriment to their work output.

Dahnsouff

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6 minutes ago, kenny said:

If I were in charge of HR at LCFC, there are a number of employees that would be ideal for a full-time work from home policy that would end at the end of their contracts. With these particular employees, I think that they would be just as efficient at their jobs at home as they would being forced to come into to their place of work.

 

The reduced travelling time by not having to go to Seagrave improves their efficiency without any detriment to their work output.

Yes, but Winks is not one of those, he must attend Seagrave, as it is a key requirement for his work. Never disputed this.

However, if he is able to meet the requirements set out by his contract and still live at home, I see no issues with it, that was my only point.

My work at home process began 20 years ago as the company relocated outside of reasonable relocation boundaries, but they offered a work-from-home alternative.

 

CL Fox

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51 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

It was more about millions and millions of people have had babies - it's actually his wife who has had the baby, and people don't shy away from their responsibilities just because this is the case. 

Some take this....

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CornwallFox

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1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

Be great if we could all say no to our work like this wouldn't it?

If he was contracted to stay overnight the wouldn't be an issue. 

Clearly he isn't. 

Maybe you should lose the jealousy when thinking about his situation.

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kenny

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24 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Yes, but Winks is not one of those, he must attend Seagrave, as it is a key requirement for his work. Never disputed this.

However, if he is able to meet the requirements set out by his contract and still live at home, I see no issues with it, that was my only point.

My work at home process began 20 years ago as the company relocated outside of reasonable relocation boundaries, but they offered a work-from-home alternative.

 

With the new signings, I absolutely think he could produce the goods WFH.

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