Cifuentes OUT

[slymunn]

20 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s my hobby horse but when was the last time a senior pro on high wages was fit and not in the matchday squad ??

 

I still maintain this comes from the top and it’s not all down to the manager 

Quite a few last season under RVN. Vesty, Winks & Edouard as a minimum

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, slymunn said:

Quite a few last season under RVN. Vesty, Winks & Edouard as a minimum

in the prem that’s going to happen as we had more than 18 senior pros 

im talking this season (admittedly a small sample thus far ) 

[kingfox]

Bang fvcking average

[cityfanlee23]

3 hours ago, Sly said:

That’s the issue in a nutshell.

 

The tactics aren’t working as we aren’t quick enough on the ball to make this style of possession effective. 
 

We aren’t physical enough, so we lose the direct aggressive game.

This was the exact issue I was angry about under Enzo, the difference is, he was smart enough to have 4 players in the system that were instructed to over/underlap, so even though we were too slow with the ball at times to play centrally because of the inevitable deep block that we invited, we had alternatives. 
 

When Fatawu was being doubled up on, Ricardo or Ndidi would run the channels to open up space, sometimes both players would which would open up space for Vardy.

On the other side it was KDH/LB doing the overlap/underlap for Mavididi. 
 

Under Marti it barely happens, our best talent have zero space to operate in unless we are hitting them on the counter, and more often than not that counter attack is too slow to matter. 

[slymunn]

45 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

in the prem that’s going to happen as we had more than 18 senior pros 

im talking this season (admittedly a small sample thus far ) 

Closest we have this season is Skipp and VK. There isn't one 'fully frozen out' but those two have played less minutes than most maybe expected. 

[whoareyaaa]

42 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

This was the exact issue I was angry about under Enzo, the difference is, he was smart enough to have 4 players in the system that were instructed to over/underlap, so even though we were too slow with the ball at times to play centrally because of the inevitable deep block that we invited, we had alternatives. 
 

When Fatawu was being doubled up on, Ricardo or Ndidi would run the channels to open up space, sometimes both players would which would open up space for Vardy.

On the other side it was KDH/LB doing the overlap/underlap for Mavididi. 
 

Under Marti it barely happens, our best talent have zero space to operate in unless we are hitting them on the counter, and more often than not that counter attack is too slow to matter. 

When Enzo was here we had Ndidi, KDH and Vardy 3 key players, we don't have that luxury now.. defenders would be more worried about Vardy which would allow more room for other players now we don't have threat.

 

Hard to blame it all on Cifuentes most managers would struggle with this squad, we have only just got James and Ramsey has been suspended for the most part.

 

Even from last season we have lost Bilal and Justin who was good going forward.

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

When Enzo was here we had Ndidi, KDH and Vardy 3 key players, we don't have that luxury now.. defenders would be more worried about Vardy which would allow more room for other players now we don't have threat.

 

Hard to blame it all on Cifuentes most managers would struggle with this squad, we have only just got James and Ramsey has been suspended for the most part.

 

Even from last season we have lost Bilal and Justin who was good going forward.

No they wouldn't. A lot of managers, if not all, in this league would love to be able to select Ricardo, Winks, Fatawu, Monga, James, Ramsey, Mavididi... Compared to our opposition our squad is decent and is now underachieving because of this manager.

 

Managers have had much less and achieved more more. You only have to look at Robins achieved at Coventry with nothing.

 

I'm fed up of people making excuses for this manager who does the same thing week in week out.

 

We have won 4 games all season ffs.

[RoboFox]

Fail to beat Blackburn at home and he absolutely has to go.

[Chelmofox]

25 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

No they wouldn't. A lot of managers, if not all, in this league would love to be able to select Ricardo, Winks, Fatawu, Monga, James, Ramsey, Mavididi... Compared to our opposition our squad is decent and is now underachieving because of this manager.

 

Managers have had much less and achieved more more. You only have to look at Robins achieved at Coventry with nothing.

 

I'm fed up of people making excuses for this manager who does the same thing week in week out.

 

We have won 4 games all season ffs.

Did Robins achieve it after 12 games in the Championship? It took him time.

[Trav Le Bleu]

20 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

. A lot of managers, if not all, in this league would love to be able to select Ricardo, Winks, Fatawu, Monga, James, Ramsey, Mavididi... Compared to our opposition our squad is decent and is now underachieving because of this manager.

Respectively, brilliant but fragile, doesn't want to be here, talented youngster getting worse as exposed to criticism and playing alongside poor players, unproven, unproven and occasional flashes of brilliance.

 

And these are our saviours?

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Did Robins achieve it after 12 games in the Championship? It took him time.

O'Neill too.

[Muzzy_no7]

17pts from 12 games with the fixtures we’ve had and squad we’ve got is nothing short of pathetic. 

 

Theres no excuses, regardless of the date he was appointed. We aren’t creating at all and that’s on his tactics. 

[whoareyaaa]

38 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

No they wouldn't. A lot of managers, if not all, in this league would love to be able to select Ricardo, Winks, Fatawu, Monga, James, Ramsey, Mavididi... Compared to our opposition our squad is decent and is now underachieving because of this manager.

 

Managers have had much less and achieved more more. You only have to look at Robins achieved at Coventry with nothing.

 

I'm fed up of people making excuses for this manager who does the same thing week in week out.

 

We have won 4 games all season ffs.

You've named 7 players, 1 has been out suspended and not fully match fit, one is 16 years old, one couldn't give a shit and had a mardy on all summer, another can't play more than 60 minutes, the other can barely beat a man but yea what a great squad of players we have what about the other 15 ?

 

Mark Robins had more than 12 games as well

Edited 27 October 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Muzzy_no7]

Unless he gets 7pts from the next 3 games prior to the International break and we start creating chances/pressing, can someone PLEASE make a compelling argument for keeping him around? 

[Dahnsouff]

Not a comment on if Marti is the right man, but whoever it is, it’s going to take time.

They have to be given time, think it took Pearson about 6+ months to offload a good chunk of the muck he inherited, and about a further 6 months to fully stamp his system onto the squad he built?

Whoever it is, they surely get more than 12 games!!  

[Fox92]

13 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

You've named 7 players, 1 has been out suspended and not fully match fit, one is 16 years old, one couldn't give a shit and had a mardy on all summer, another can't play more than 60 minutes, the other can barely beat a man but yea what a great squad of players we have what about the other 15 ?

 

Mark Robins had more than 12 games as well

Name me a team with a better squad that isn't Ipswich (as I do think their squad is better than ours)? I bet you can name a few players from Coventry, or Middlesbrough, but not a whole 11 (or squad). We should be going into games stronger and taking it to the opposition but we don't. Hull employed a new manager, had a transfer embargo, and still look better than us. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Name me a team with a better squad that isn't Ipswich (as I do think their squad is better than ours)? I bet you can name a few players from Coventry, or Middlesbrough, but not a whole 11 (or squad). We should be going into games stronger and taking it to the opposition but we don't. Hull employed a new manager, had a transfer embargo, and still look better than us. 

By squad you mean the names under contract at a club? Pretty sure teams are built over years not just thrown together of the best 25 players.  It’s a stupid argument.

[Fox92]

24 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Respectively, brilliant but fragile, doesn't want to be here, talented youngster getting worse as exposed to criticism and playing alongside poor players, unproven, unproven and occasional flashes of brilliance.

 

And these are our saviours?

Where did I call them saviours? They are decent players at this level, that's what I said, and any decent manager would get something out of them. The way we play, the style, all from the manager is pathetic. 

[Fox92]

7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

By squad you mean the names under contract at a club? Pretty sure teams are built over years not just thrown together of the best 25 players.  It’s a stupid argument.

I accept a squad is built over years - sometimes but not always - but it's then the manager to make use out of them. We have four clubs above us currently that had new managers in the summer.

 

Players argument is stupid considering the opposition. Have we got worse players than some of the teams above us?

 

But regardless of players, everything about us is boring and it stems from the manager. Build up play, lack of creativity, all slow or non existent. 

 

We have failed to beat Oxford, Portsmouth, Wrexham. But of course I have to be happy with that and our inferior squad compared to these clubs. 

Edited 27 October 2025 by Fox92

[whoareyaaa]

6 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Name me a team with a better squad that isn't Ipswich (as I do think their squad is better than ours)? I bet you can name a few players from Coventry, or Middlesbrough, but not a whole 11 (or squad). We should be going into games stronger and taking it to the opposition but we don't. Hull employed a new manager, had a transfer embargo, and still look better than us. 

Not just all about individual talent which is questionable anyway bar a few, Rodgers was right we needed a reset yet we still have 3 of the back four playing along with others like Soumare and Daka 4 years later, along with average players or players on the last year of the contract player or on massive wages, we are still in touch with the top but will take a window or two before we see any change imo regardless of the manager... we can keep changing managers but they still have the same pool of players to choose from

[Frankel1981]

When was last time we were as low as 10th in second tier?

 

club in free fall Marti clearly not the answer.

[Fox92]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

Not just all about individual talent which is questionable anyway bar a few, Rodgers was right we needed a reset yet we still have 3 of the back four playing along with others like Soumare and Daka 4 years later, along with average players or players on the last year of the contract player or on massive wages, we are still in touch with the top but will take a window or two before we see any change imo regardless of the manager... we can keep changing managers but they still have the same pool of players to choose from

And yet we have a promising centre back that can't make the team and a rubbish left full back that's just been given a new contract.

 

One of my issues with him is he keeps playing the same players every week and then people come here and moan about the player(s). Why are they getting picked still? Why can't Nelson get in? Why do I have to watch the same idiots in defence every week. Nothing ever changes. The team, the style..

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Fox92 said:

I accept a squad is built over years - sometimes but not always - but it's then the manager to make use out of them. We have four clubs above us currently that had new managers in the summer.

 

Players argument is stupid considering the opposition. Have we got worse players than some of the teams above us?

 

But regardless of players, everything about us is boring and it stems from the manager. Build up play, lack of creativity, all slow or non existent. 

 

Regarding the players, on paper they seem fine, but their effort in the face of adversity is shameful and this has been the case for quite some time.

Of course, bottom line it’s Marti’s job (or whoever) to fix it, but this is a third attempt, and it’s not looking hopeful.

Regarding your comment about the four clubs above us having new managers, it’s fair but isn’t that as much about those clubs and their structure, their ability to provide some degree of continuity between managers, the much mooted DoF type overseer?

 

Not denying we are underwhelming as hell, but I would rather go for the long haul with someone and tough it out, culling the crap over several windows, rebuilding an ethos is hard work as we go, as I do not believe we are going to find another Enzo shaped bandage.

[Levi Port]

Our last successful manager Enzo, stamped his identity on us from day 1. We’ve seen 12 games and I’ve seen nothing to encourage me into giving him time, it’s awful football. I could go into so many issues but I’m tired of it all. I’m one for giving managers time but this is going nowhere, it’s blindingly obvious. Get him gone. 

Edited 27 October 2025 by Levi Port

[cityfanlee23]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

When Enzo was here we had Ndidi, KDH and Vardy 3 key players, we don't have that luxury now.. defenders would be more worried about Vardy which would allow more room for other players now we don't have threat.

 

Hard to blame it all on Cifuentes most managers would struggle with this squad, we have only just got James and Ramsey has been suspended for the most part.

 

Even from last season we have lost Bilal and Justin who was good going forward.

Right but the issue as I see it is simple, Ricardo is more than capable of overlapping on the wing, Jordan James is more than capable of underlapping centrally in place of Ndidi, Thomas/VK/Aluko are more than capable of overlapping Mavididi/Monga. 

Ndidi and KDH were not naturals in that role, but their movement created space for Mavididi, Fatawu and Vardy. 

Ndidi was a bang bang average 8, but his simple channel runs created space for the players that were great in their position. 
All Jordan James/Ricardo need to do is create space for Fatawu to run at 1 defender instead of 2-3. My point is less about the quality of the individuals making the runs, but the fact the runs were being made, Ndidi made absolutely loads of errors whenever he ran through the channel between Fatawu/Vardy, often his crossing at the byline was awful, but what he did do was create space and that's what we are desperate for. 

We don't need to specifically sign a number 8, we just need James to be instructed to make similar runs to create space. I know we are a downgrade on what Enzo had, but these professional footballers imo are perfectly capable of offering an overlap.