Norwich 1-2 LCFC, post-match thread

[JacobLCFC1234]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 Interesting thing about today is we also missed two 1 on 1 chances. JJ clean through - straight At the keeper and Abdul skyed it..

 

I wonder if those had gone in, there’d be a different tone in here tonight towards Marti and some others..

Why?? because weve just won a game?

 

We are trash

[Clever Fox]

44 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

Not quite the self titled clever fox are you? 

Nothing woring with what I've said,  it just depends on the players available and the system being used as others have said.

Systems are usually built around the players available. It doesn't mean theyre always sucessful though.

[MPH]

22 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Nope. My mind is firmly made up. And we will be back to square one in a couple of weeks. 

I think you might be right… but I remember peoples mind being made up about previous managers only to be proven wrong.

 

 

my mind is still a bit more open to how this could all pan out..

[MPH]

15 minutes ago, JacobLCFC1234 said:

Why?? because weve just won a game?

 

We are trash

 

have you seen the stats for today’s game? 

[Nolucklcfc]

Thought we were extremely poor for 70 minutes, subs changed the game. Our problem is how slow we move the ball. Everything at a snails pace which makes it difficult to create chances. When we went 1-0 down, we played with a bit of pace and urgency and shock horror, created chances and won the game. 
 

He needs to get better performances out of them because today just papers over the cracks. A last minute winner should have ya buzzing but I can’t help but feel there’s no real plan or that the manager knows how to get them performance properly. 

[JacobLCFC1234]

17 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

have you seen the stats for today’s game? 

Have you seen the stats for the other games and only just realised we had won what was it, 1 in 10?

[fazzyfox]

Agree, the substitutions and reaction to going behind made all the difference.

Until then there was a lot of awful stuff, slow passing that was easily read, Vestergaards “pass” leading to their goal was so telegraphed by his stance and slow motion everyone in the stadium could see what he was going to do and sure enough it was intercepted and we were in the s**t. Sloppy balls behind the teammate , killing any momentum and progress, risky balls when numerous players had committed to forward runs, a lack of movement, a lack of wanting the ball and wanting to take responsibility at throws and free kicks in particular.

 

Ayew was never threatening to go beyond his marker, it was a constant dead end. Mavididi tried to stretch them and go beyond them, DeCordova-Reid was playing on the front foot, always looking to hurt them with positive forward balls, trying to make something happen. Maybe it was the situation of trailing then drawing and of running out of time but it was an onslaught incomparable with the previous 70 minutes.

 

The one constant was James, gave his all for 96 minutes . 

[Pliskin]

22 minutes ago, MPH said:

I think you might be right… but I remember peoples mind being made up about previous managers only to be proven wrong.

 

 

my mind is still a bit more open to how this could all pan out..

The warning signs are firmly there for me. Today, an exceptionally shit side spared out blushes. It was another utterly garbage performance…. I enjoyed the fact we got a late winner, but the 80 minutes before were extremely concerning again. 

[Headcase]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

im not saying we were great, but we had 65% possession with 14 shots and 7 on target compared to their 8 and 3 on target.

 

we also missed two 1on1s - JJ and Fatawu.

 

 

as uninspiring  as we were at times, we were  the better team. Not often we get to say that!

The highlights on sky are very one sided...it was all Norwich the way they seen it..it only showed like 3 attempts by leicester and 2 of them were the goals. 

[Clever Fox]

29 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Perhaps your explanation was true in the days of inside rights and inside lefts in the early days of football but it hasn't been like that for decades. 

 

A number 10 nowadays refers to the 'trequartista' type position that somebody like Riquelme played. It's between the oppositions midfield and defence. It usually doesn't have much defensive duty attached to it. For Leicester the closest we've had was Okazaki playing behind Vardy, though he worked a lot harder than your usual number 10. 

 

A number 8 is usually considered to be a box to box midfielder. Think Gerrard, who literally wore number 8, early Roy Keane, Bryan Robson.

That's a decent explanation but I think we're comparing like for like the only thing different is the systems used nowadays to my early days.

In my days 8 and 10s were largely the play makers operating in midfield and the channels largely competing against there opposite numbers depending on who had possession.

Now of course they can come deeper, but so does the Wingers and even CF. to find or create space or help out in defence. But they are still largely the playmakers.

I can remember the great Biily Bremner and Giles for Leeds playing that way with Hunter playing the Defensive Mdfield role.

All similar to Gerrard, Keane Robson. Then you had the other kind of 8, 10 like Cottee, Dickov, Lampard. 

 

Today Reid played in the channel behind Daka and Fatawu and JJ dropped a bit deeper and moved a bit more central to link up with Winks.

As I said earlier,  good players will find the space. But it wokrs best if they work together and make it look simple. As Reid did when he played Fatawu in and he crossed for the Goal.

Without either having to beat a man.

[StinckleyFox]

Daka needs to lead the line. JJ, winks and BDCR midfield 3. Fatawu needs to sort his end product out. Skipp and ayew should be nowhere near the team.

[fuzzymizzit]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

Perhaps your explanation was true in the days of inside rights and inside lefts in the early days of football but it hasn't been like that for decades. 

 

A number 10 nowadays refers to the 'trequartista' type position that somebody like Riquelme played. It's between the oppositions midfield and defence. It usually doesn't have much defensive duty attached to it. For Leicester the closest we've had was Okazaki playing behind Vardy, though he worked a lot harder than your usual number 10. 

 

A number 8 is usually considered to be a box to box midfielder. Think Gerrard, who literally wore number 8, early Roy Keane, Bryan Robson.

Surely Maddison

[Analysethis]

Wow, reading some of this stuff you would probably want to get to the nearest cliff and jump!

 

We got a win, thats positive. We played very average against a poor side, I know that doesnt give us many reasons to be optimistic, however we are a 4 points away from the play-offs and are surrounded by some bang average sides. Its the worst Championship i can remember and I think getting rid of some more dead wood in the Winter transfer window and bringing in some decent loans and dare I say it, spend money and buy a few  (According to Soccerbase the last season we didnt actually pay for someone was 1982/83 season), then we have half a chance.

 

Any other Championship season and we would be buggered, however we can still pull this one out of the hat.

[fazzyfox]

6 minutes ago, fuzzymizzit said:

Surely Maddison

Agree (except for that last season where he was used a lot on the right). Ndidi, Tielemans and Maddison make for a good 6,8,10 example. Then when K DH arrived and Perez was finally deemed a weak link, Maddison went out wide but what was K DH, a second 8 alongside Youri? He scored a few goals but he carried it from deep and knitted things together so I wouldn’t say a no.10.
 

The Lennon, Izzet, Savage trio albeit unique for their combined phenomenal workrate had Izzett as the more attacking, Savage solely a ball winner and ball of energy and Lennon a bit of both, win it and make the play.

 

The classic in a 4-4-2 was Macalister and Mauchlen, the flair player and the hard man.

 

Kante was 2 6’s and an 8 all in one and defied all laws of physics and sensibility! 

[sm1]

Got the win, which is obviously important, but the performance for 80% of the game was rubbish. Slow turgid passing, isolated wingers and generally shit tactics, with Ayew and Skipp still getting picked. Marti may have survived this week, but I've got little confidence in him.

[CornwallFox]

33 minutes ago, fuzzymizzit said:

Surely Maddison

Yeah good shout

[Wolfox]

6 hours ago, Cincinnati Fox said:

The win is pointless. Until King power go we will regress every season and it will

end in administration 

No….  The win is literally not pointless you doofus

[hackneyfox]

6 hours ago, Eskay said:

Well judging by the KP fan club celebrating at the end.....I think all is forgiven!

Do you do away games?

[Long Eaton Fox]

7 hours ago, Cincinnati Fox said:

King power out!!!

Pleased you're over there. 

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, Analysethis said:

Wow, reading some of this stuff you would probably want to get to the nearest cliff and jump!

 

We got a win, thats positive. We played very average against a poor side, I know that doesnt give us many reasons to be optimistic, however we are a 4 points away from the play-offs and are surrounded by some bang average sides. Its the worst Championship i can remember and I think getting rid of some more dead wood in the Winter transfer window and bringing in some decent loans and dare I say it, spend money and buy a few  (According to Soccerbase the last season we didnt actually pay for someone was 1982/83 season), then we have half a chance.

 

Any other Championship season and we would be buggered, however we can still pull this one out of the hat.

1. We're more than likely getting a points deduction.

2. We aren't spending a penny on transfers in Jan.

3. A win against a heinous Norwich side does not paper over the huge cracks we have. 

4. The championship is garbage but nearly every team has something we don't.... a striker. 

[Ian S]

5 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

1. We're more than likely getting a points deduction.

2. We aren't spending a penny on transfers in Jan.

3. A win against a heinous Norwich side does not paper over the huge cracks we have. 

4. The championship is garbage but nearly every team has something we don't.... a striker. 

You know what, I think that’s a fair view  on where we are.👏

[Cincinnati Fox]

1 hour ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Pleased you're over there. 

You are pro king power??

[CarolinaFox]

We've won 5 games, 2 of which were against the two teams at the bottom of the table. We shouldn't just be looking at one result, but the whole season so far: its been a massive disappointment. Too many draws, too few clean sheets, too few wins. I think the lack of clear and obvious replacement candidates makes his job more secure right now after a win, regardless of who it was against. We were still very poor in large spells against Norwich, had they been a better side they would have beaten us. The big take away is that the Marti experiment isn't working. Winning today didn't feel like it was a byproduct of an intentional tactical decision by Marti but dumb luck. We should be bossing a team like Norwich, creating chance after chance. We looked toothless as we have all season for most of the game. 

[lanefox]

11 hours ago, Dandy king said:

I'd like to see Bobby Reid in the 10 next game 

We did that against Pompey or was it Wrexham and it didn't work , impact sub for now for BDR

[Deeg67]

This league is basically Coventry alone, a few truly dire teams at the bottom, and everyone else dogpiled in the middle. At least 80% look like mid-table sides, including all three promoted teams and us. With a bit of a hot streak and a decent January window any of about 15 clubs could be factors for the playoffs.

 

Is MC the answer? I don't know - the evidence is mixed. But he's 100% been dealt a crap hand.