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Is this the worse it’s ever been?

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MC Prussian

MC Prussian

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To the original question: Obviously not, there's always League One.

 

Having said that, the similarities are eerie: 21 years ago, we said farewell to the Premier League. What followed were several dull and frustrating years, with managers coming and going.

We spent years in this league without any real progress – on the contrary, we fell back progressively with each new season. Up until that fateful day away at Stoke in May 2008.

 

Maybe we do need to drop down yet another level before the club management finally come to their senses.

 

Edited by MC Prussian
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PhillyFox98

PhillyFox98

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I have been supporting the club since the glory days of 2013 to now, and I will never change that. However, these are definete grim times. we have no idenity anymore to proud of as a history are relics. Changes are needed sadly to go to the next stages. 

Sly

Sly

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The best way to describe it is “dull”.

 

Its like Groundhog Day of the Craig Levein years, without the excitement of Tha FA Cup win when De Vries scored against Tottenham. 

Winstonthedog

Winstonthedog

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It's been as bad or even worse in the past ... but now I just can't see any signs of improvement on the horizon the club is stagnating, the fans are almost comotosed, Top, Rudkin and the board are at best inactive ... when you lose your fan base you lose the club and that's where its at 

LCFCJohn

LCFCJohn

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For me, we are heading into the darkest era this club has had. We may have had worse on the face of it on the pitch (such as 2005-2008 when eventually relegated). And of course, administration which is round the corner again. But as others have said, context. Pound for pound, the transfer fees spent, the wages paid out to these players, this is next level stuff. It’s not about just expectations from where we were a few years ago, it’s the actually cost associated with this squad.

 

And I have seen a few posts further up this thread that elude to the ‘little old Leicester’ mentality. Those who have referenced this being our level. No. We have the record for number of second tier titles won and our history indicates a relatively equal (weighted a bit more to second tier) balance between seasons in the top flight and second tier. Our natural position has never been in the bottom half of the second tier. That has been in our worse eras, again, 2005-2008. 
 

This is a list of our 10 lowest finishes in the pyramid. I think it is accurate but pulling it together did show that we don’t have to worry about AI taking over just yet!

 

1️⃣ 2008–09

  • League One (Tier 3) – 1st

  • Overall position: 45th

  • Lowest point in club history (despite promotion)

2️⃣ 2007–08

  • Championship – 22nd (bottom)

  • Overall position: 44th

  • Relegated to League One

3️⃣ 2006–07

  • Championship – 20th

  • Overall position: 42nd

  • Relegation fight season

4️⃣ 2005–06

  • Championship – 16th

  • Overall position: 38th

  • Start of the prolonged decline

5️⃣ 2000–01

  • First Division (Tier 2) – 20th (22-team league)

  • Overall position: 42nd

  • Very poor season after Premier League relegation

6️⃣ 1990–91

  • Second Division (Tier 2) – 19th (22 teams)

  • Overall position: 41st

7️⃣ 1987–88

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

8️⃣ 1983–84

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

9️⃣ 1977–78

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

🔟 1968–69

  • Second Division – 17th

  • Overall position: 39th

 

After yesterday, we sit 34th by this measure of the overall pyramid. 
 

The detachment between the club and fans and lack of light at the end of the tunnel is also like nothing I have ever experienced (supporter since around 2002 when admin happened but was only 8 then).

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josh_baskin

josh_baskin

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9 hours ago, Guesty said:

I felt more hopeless in the Kelly, Levin, Holloway era. Cause we just seemed to have no money at all and had players like Andy Johnson, Gareth Williams, Josh Low, Alan Rodgers stinking up the place. Pretty sure once we lined up with 6 right backs on the pitch.

 

I still hope after we've got through this PSR minefield that we'll have money to spend again. And we have youth prospects to look forward to. Back then we only really had Stearman.

 

But I don't think I've ever watched a team with such little fight and character as we have now.

Only positive back then was the new bigger stadium with empty seats gave groups of younger supporters a chance to attend, with tickets way more affordable, even for students and youngsters on minimum wage, the football was mostly abysmal but now that generation of supporters are priced out.

trooky

trooky

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1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

For me, we are heading into the darkest era this club has had. We may have had worse on the face of it on the pitch (such as 2005-2008 when eventually relegated). And of course, administration which is round the corner again. But as others have said, context. Pound for pound, the transfer fees spent, the wages paid out to these players, this is next level stuff. It’s not about just expectations from where we were a few years ago, it’s the actually cost associated with this squad.

 

And I have seen a few posts further up this thread that elude to the ‘little old Leicester’ mentality. Those who have referenced this being our level. No. We have the record for number of second tier titles won and our history indicates a relatively equal (weighted a bit more to second tier) balance between seasons in the top flight and second tier. Our natural position has never been in the bottom half of the second tier. That has been in our worse eras, again, 2005-2008. 
 

This is a list of our 10 lowest finishes in the pyramid. I think it is accurate but pulling it together did show that we don’t have to worry about AI taking over just yet!

 

 

1️⃣ 2008–09

  • League One (Tier 3) – 1st

  • Overall position: 45th

  • Lowest point in club history (despite promotion)

2️⃣ 2007–08

  • Championship – 22nd (bottom)

  • Overall position: 44th

  • Relegated to League One

3️⃣ 2006–07

  • Championship – 20th

  • Overall position: 42nd

  • Relegation fight season

4️⃣ 2005–06

  • Championship – 16th

  • Overall position: 38th

  • Start of the prolonged decline

5️⃣ 2000–01

  • First Division (Tier 2) – 20th (22-team league)

  • Overall position: 42nd

  • Very poor season after Premier League relegation

6️⃣ 1990–91

  • Second Division (Tier 2) – 19th (22 teams)

  • Overall position: 41st

7️⃣ 1987–88

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

8️⃣ 1983–84

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

9️⃣ 1977–78

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

🔟 1968–69

  • Second Division – 17th

  • Overall position: 39th

 

After yesterday, we sit 34th by this measure of the overall pyramid. 
 

The detachment between the club and fans and lack of light at the end of the tunnel is also like nothing I have ever experienced (supporter since around 2002 when admin happened but was only 8 then).

Without looking into the playing squads of all those teams, I would hazard a guess that the current squad on paper is much better with the possible exception of the strikers. 

 

LCFCJohn

LCFCJohn

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Posted
3 minutes ago, trooky said:

Without looking into the playing squads of all those teams, I would hazard a guess that the current squad on paper is much better with the possible exception of the strikers. 

 

I expect so. Which is why I think, pound for pound, this is the biggest failing in the clubs history. Even if we have had worse sides or worse football.

 

And it is a very realistic possibility that we push our top 10 worse finishes with this squad. Certainly with a deduction we would. 

Stuntman_Mike

Stuntman_Mike

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For me personally, yes. 

 

The mismanagement from the top, the disinterest from the players, what we're seeing in return for our transfer fees and just the flat nature of going games with so many KPFC robots knocking about in denial. 

 

It's just grim and it's a shame because I don't mind us going through a 'bad' phase, but I feel like the club themselves are pushing me away.

HP1

HP1

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1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

For me, we are heading into the darkest era this club has had. We may have had worse on the face of it on the pitch (such as 2005-2008 when eventually relegated). And of course, administration which is round the corner again. But as others have said, context. Pound for pound, the transfer fees spent, the wages paid out to these players, this is next level stuff. It’s not about just expectations from where we were a few years ago, it’s the actually cost associated with this squad.

 

And I have seen a few posts further up this thread that elude to the ‘little old Leicester’ mentality. Those who have referenced this being our level. No. We have the record for number of second tier titles won and our history indicates a relatively equal (weighted a bit more to second tier) balance between seasons in the top flight and second tier. Our natural position has never been in the bottom half of the second tier. That has been in our worse eras, again, 2005-2008. 
 

This is a list of our 10 lowest finishes in the pyramid. I think it is accurate but pulling it together did show that we don’t have to worry about AI taking over just yet!

 

 

1️⃣ 2008–09

  • League One (Tier 3) – 1st

  • Overall position: 45th

  • Lowest point in club history (despite promotion)

2️⃣ 2007–08

  • Championship – 22nd (bottom)

  • Overall position: 44th

  • Relegated to League One

3️⃣ 2006–07

  • Championship – 20th

  • Overall position: 42nd

  • Relegation fight season

4️⃣ 2005–06

  • Championship – 16th

  • Overall position: 38th

  • Start of the prolonged decline

5️⃣ 2000–01

  • First Division (Tier 2) – 20th (22-team league)

  • Overall position: 42nd

  • Very poor season after Premier League relegation

6️⃣ 1990–91

  • Second Division (Tier 2) – 19th (22 teams)

  • Overall position: 41st

7️⃣ 1987–88

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

8️⃣ 1983–84

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

9️⃣ 1977–78

  • Second Division – 18th

  • Overall position: 40th

🔟 1968–69

  • Second Division – 17th

  • Overall position: 39th

 

After yesterday, we sit 34th by this measure of the overall pyramid. 
 

The detachment between the club and fans and lack of light at the end of the tunnel is also like nothing I have ever experienced (supporter since around 2002 when admin happened but was only 8 then).

We finished 13th in the Premier league 2001 not 20th in the championship. Close though

Filberts Treat

Filberts Treat

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Cropwellfox said:

It’s KPFC not LCFC. That’s why it feels worse than ever for me. Until there’s regime change it’s not the football club I grew up loving.

 

I was just about to post something very similar. At least in the past bad times it was still our football club. Now they have lost our identity. It’s KPFC. 

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Zear0

Zear0

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It's the most frustrating time I can remember as it feels like an opportunity being squandered. Back in the early 00s we were simply s**t and there was nothing we could do about it. 

 

Now we're not recruiting, playing well and barely even trying. There's been this rancid air of arrogance over the club for a while became open when Puel was hounded out by the players for having the audacity to make them train. Comments by the players now show they're in a bubble and have no idea how bad they are. 

 

This is why this era is so bleak as it could be turned around with people making some effort and bringing in some competence.

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Birkdale Fox

Birkdale Fox

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Been supporting the club since 1967. The issue is that we now know what is possible for a side outside the Big Six so the fall from dizzy heights makes the current predicament feel worse than it has ever been. The demise started when our great Chairman was killed. The recent interview with Top who could only offer one slogan that ‘we must communicate better’ was abject and depressing. Can’t see any improvement until we’ve new owners so we’ve not even reached the bottom. 😩

 

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blueharmie

blueharmie

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20 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

It's the most frustrating time I can remember as it feels like an opportunity being squandered. Back in the early 00s we were simply s**t and there was nothing we could do about it. 

 

Now we're not recruiting, playing well and barely even trying. There's been this rancid air of arrogance over the club for a while became open when Puel was hounded out by the players for having the audacity to make them train. Comments by the players now show they're in a bubble and have no idea how bad they are. 

 

This is why this era is so bleak as it could be turned around with people making some effort and bringing in some competence.

 

Agree on the 2000's but the players in the 90s gave a shit, probably not the most technical but all the playoff finals and league cups later on were a miracle.

 

Compare that to not being arsed and playing like a pub team against Watford yesterday.

 

 

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LCFCJohn

LCFCJohn

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Posted
1 hour ago, HP1 said:

We finished 13th in the Premier league 2001 not 20th in the championship. Close though

I thought that one looked a bit dodgy but didn’t double check. I was losing my will with ChatGPT by then lol. As I say, AI not taking over just yet!

 

But it does illustrate a valid point as to where out level is and what is considered inappropriately poor. Clearly bottom third of the second tier is historically without out 10 worst placements and even then with much limited resources. We should not be in that area of the pyramid.

HP1

HP1

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1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I thought that one looked a bit dodgy but didn’t double check. I was losing my will with ChatGPT by then lol. As I say, AI not taking over just yet!

 

But it does illustrate a valid point as to where out level is and what is considered inappropriately poor. Clearly bottom third of the second tier is historically without out 10 worst placements and even then with much limited resources. We should not be in that area of the pyramid.

Agree, I'm quite surprised how consistent our record is historically as a club. Fans of other clubs will sometimes try to disparage us as a "championship club" in our overall stature and natural standing when it doesn't tell the whole picture.

 

Our floor has pretty much always been midtable in the championship and our ceiling maybe just outside the top 6 of the premier league, but after our recent success, where we are now is unacceptable. There was a time about 5 years ago I didn't think we would ever get relegated again, considering how far ahead of the promoted teams we were and the talent we had.

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Corky

Corky

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The bottom half of the second division has never been our natural level. That doesn't mean we cannot be there, or we are entitled not to be, but it should not be shrugged off, excused or the history of the club twisted to defend the people putting it there.

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davieG

davieG

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On the pitch player quality no not by a country mile.

 

Off the pitch financially no.

 

Off and on the pitch attitude and commitment  even at our grimmest times YES.

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Raj

Raj

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In the old days of Levein, Worthington, sousa etc we hadn't won the FA Cup, Community shield, been in Europe and the ultimate prize in the Premier league title.

This era of lcfc kingpower highlights the complete incompetence  of the board in not utilising what positives we could have built on.

For me its the complete worst it's been since I supported the club since the Brian little days 

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ClaphamNorthFox

ClaphamNorthFox

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12 minutes ago, Raj said:

In the old days of Levein, Worthington, sousa etc we hadn't won the FA Cup, Community shield, been in Europe and the ultimate prize in the Premier league title.

This era of lcfc kingpower highlights the complete incompetence  of the board in not utilising what positives we could have built on.

For me its the complete worst it's been since I supported the club since the Brian little days 

 Before the Brian Little days… 

ClaphamNorthFox

ClaphamNorthFox

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Yeah in the time we had 5 right backs on the pitch etc. When we went down to League one - the team was rubbish but at least they tried. 
This team with the exception of JJ are so difficult to support due to their application and attitude 

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