Players the worst versions of themselves at LCFC

[davieG]

3 minutes ago, Collymore said:

Steven Hawking would bag 5 or 6 a season in a Celtic team upfront.

 

Some Middlesbrough fans at work were livid with him, I know that much! 

 

I think he is an example of someone who really was on a downward trajectory. 

I've not seen him play up there but maybe O'Neal is getting to him he certainly would stand for no slacking.

[davieG]

It begs the question often cited about managers

 

3 of our most successful eras have been with Gillies, O'Neal and Pearson all of whom had a strong view of team ethics and were not afraid to come on strong when needed.

[dmayne7]

Not exclusive to us, it's the reality of football. The difference in most players ability is minimal and it mostly boils down to confidence. That's why we were able to take a team of rejects and 2nd tier players and win the league. There are obvious exceptions with some players and generally is the physical side or the mental aspect that stop players reaching the top. But also shows that really a manager/head coaches job is much more about giving that confidence to players, which can take many different forms (i.e. a solid structure/pattern of play that players feel comfortable in).

[VLC86]

It’s definitely a thing, and it comes down to a whole host of factors in my opinion.

 

We often give players the best contract of their careers with low incentive levels meaning they have little motivation.

 

Seagrave being like a luxury spa.

 

The leadership at our club is terrible and they aren’t held accountable to basic standards, they go elsewhere and quickly realise what they did here won’t wash.

 

The relief of getting away from the negative cloud surrounding every aspect of the club.

 

I could go on, we are an absolute basket case of a club.

[deep blue]

Interesting topic.  I've been aware for sometime how many of our recent players seem to improve when they move to other clubs, or new recruits not so effective as with their former clubs.  The recent period of decline in so many of our players coincides roughly with 3 things

 - the end of Rodgers' first year with us, after he was given a huge contract and more freedom to boss all aspects of our football philosophy, notably our transfer policy

- the death of our owner and his son taking over

- the new super training ground.

 

Thinking of Pearson's standards and his focus on character of recruits, I suppose by this time there were also so few of the Pearson-recruited Premiership winners still with us who could encourage the same standards.

Edited 6 April by deep blue
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[Jazzy_Jeff]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Soumare really tearing it up since he left tbf.

He got motm playing for Sevilla against Arsenal in the champions league during our Enzo season 

[BKLFox]

I think it’s because a player only has to miss control a ball once for our fan base to write him off as shite.

It’s not rocket science, when there’s doom and gloom coming from every angle it breeds through a club & you won’t get the best version of that player.

Look when players go away on International duty you often hear them speak about being in a different environment lifts them away from the noise & they can relax and enjoy themselves which shows in how they play.

I’ll use Thomas as an example, the abuse he gets and labelled Lge 2 at best, what a load of old crap, the lad has played in the premier league at an early age which puts him in the top % of all footballers in that age group at that time, but no, Leicester fans have labelled him as crap & crap he will be in their eyes until he leaves.

 

Like it or not a vast majority of feel good will come from the stands, the last 15mins or so v Preston when the crowd really rallied, the players responded to that & you could tell the disappointment in their faces they didn’t get the win during the walk around after but also they wanted to walk around because the crowd was behind them they wanted to feel that.

Providing Rowett doesn’t make wholesale changes I imagine they will come out like they finished the Preston game & what ever happens then could really hinge on how the crowd reacts, although it is an away crowd which are usually good regardless but you get the idea.

[hfaes]

4 hours ago, DennisNedry said:

Maybe @hfaes can shed some light on this? 

Let’s have a moment of absolute truth. I have had heated arguments with many of you before, as a relative Faes ( same bloodline) of Wout, I will not stay silent while you continue this toxic cycle. You tried your best to break him, making him a scapegoat for your own frustrations. But look at the reality: Wout is now at Monaco, thriving in a professional environment, beating Marseille 2-1 and maintaining a 94% pass accuracy . He proved that the problem was never his talent- it was your toxic atmosphere.

Most of you shouting here, have ZERO financial stake in this club and certainly no professional expertise in football, ( non of you is a manager or previous old player of a topclub) You act like “heroes” on forums, but you are merely devaluing your beloved club’s assets. While you were busy trying to destroy a player’s  spirit, we remain firm in our world, a world that most of you can only dream of. ( I know not nice, but revenge and the truth) I don’t normally flaunt our status, but when you attack one of my relatives, my blood..I will remind you exactly where the line is drawn. You are cheering your own decline into relegation, while Wout is proving his class on the world stage. It’s time to realize that your bitterness is the real reason your club is falling apart. And please spare the players today, swallow your OWN FRUSTRATIONS YOURSELF….. ND PLEASE “selling the club” do you people have the money, i challenge you all, buy the club….than you can break your own club….

Edited 6 April by hfaes

[brookfox]

Same reason players look better when they leave Man Utd; whether it’s football or any regular job, if you have a toxic workplace with poor standards you won’t get the best out of people.

[hfaes]

3 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Not exclusive to us, it's the reality of football. The difference in most players ability is minimal and it mostly boils down to confidence. That's why we were able to take a team of rejects and 2nd tier players and win the league. There are obvious exceptions with some players and generally is the physical side or the mental aspect that stop players reaching the top. But also shows that really a manager/head coaches job is much more about giving that confidence to players, which can take many different forms (i.e. a solid structure/pattern of play that players feel comfortable in).

No it’s not, in the UK maybe, i follow the fans of AS Monaco, what a huge difference….in the uk the twelfth men is to blame, and FGS look at the past, in which horrible “wars” uk clubs have been involved….it is…..I will not say it….

 

[Dan]

4 hours ago, kiddo said:

Kramaric certainly bloomed when he left us.

Kramaric is true but that was just a genuine victim of circumstance - I don't think anybody quite expected Vardy to explode like he did. I am more talking the last 4/5 years especially.

[lcfcsnow]

1 minute ago, Dan said:

Kramaric is true but that was just a genuine victim of circumstance - I don't think anybody quite expected Vardy to explode like he did. I am more talking the last 4/5 years especially.

Said it while he was here but Kramaric should have got chances behind Vardy in 16/17, instead of playing target men Ulloa/Slimani there or Okazaki who was finished by then.

[LAprice_]

You can flip this and look at how the Premier League winning team did the opposite. 

 

Schmeichel, Fuchs, Huth, Morgan, Simpson, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Okazaki, Vardy. All played considerably better for us than anyone else. 

 

You could even argue Kante and Mahrez. 

 

So - when did this culture change? 

[hfaes]

@ Kiddo, i wait with laughing ….maybe a few hours….or a few weeks athough i feel sorry for LCFC , but they have their own responsibility, they should have refused entrance to “ some hooligans” with their booing, that’s what several Belgian clubs have done…several years already…’

[cityfanlee23]

I think it’s a mix of things, but as usual it all goes back to the top. We’ve lost leadership throughout the club.

Under Pearson, there was strong leadership everywhere. From the ownership with Vichai, to the manager, to the senior players, everyone set standards. There was a balance: they could enjoy themselves, but when it was time to switch on, they were serious, disciplined, and playing for the badge and fans.

Now all of that is gone. Vichai’s gone, Pearson’s gone, the leaders in the dressing room are gone, and even the coaching structure has lost that authority. Over time, it feels like the club has allowed player power and cliques to take over. We've heard about meetings behind the scenes, the standards that made us successful have just eroded.

I’ve been one of the people calling for a change in style of play for a while, but honestly, right now I don’t think that even matters. The priority has to be a full reset of the club’s mentality. Until that’s fixed, the football itself is secondary.

If we stay up, there are a few managers I’d like us to look at from a style perspective, but more than anything we need someone who will come in and take control, a proper no-nonsense figure like Pearson. Someone who can grab the players by the scruff of the neck, challenge the board, and set standards again.

Ideally, a well-run club has a clear blueprint, and everything from the manager, the players, the style fit into that. Pearson understood that. Right now, it's become clear the ownership don’t have that vision and even if they do, they have absolutely zero ability to create it, so we need a manager who can come in and impose one. I hope the new TD is also not just another yes man and will impose standards again. 

[Vestan Pance]

The simple answer is we pay players too much in wages. They know that even if they excel here the chances are they won't be offered more money somewhere else, so they have little ambition to push on. There are always exceptions, but most know they are stuck here on the best money they will ever get. 

 

Look at Daka's sudden efforts now he knows it's shop window time, when his £70k or whatever it is he earns is soon to end.

[Spiritwalker]

5 hours ago, DennisNedry said:

Maybe @hfaes can shed some light on this? 

[dmayne7]

46 minutes ago, hfaes said:

No it’s not, in the UK maybe, i follow the fans of AS Monaco, what a huge difference….in the uk the twelfth men is to blame, and FGS look at the past, in which horrible “wars” uk clubs have been involved….it is…..I will not say it….

 

You're still here? 

 

And Monaco have struggled since their glory days, with players who have gone on to be great elsewhere. It happens all the time with players, it's not unique to Leicester or the UK (we know you're massively xenophobic against the UK for some reason). Wout Faes has a pretty good impact when he first came in then he gradually got worse and worse. That extended to his time with Belgium as well. It will happen again

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

Mavididi is the next one I expect to leave then tear it up at somewhere like Watford or Sheff U

[Dan]

 

 

Makes you think.

[jayfox26]

We have a poor owner, who continues to allow a very poor director of football (or whatever his title is these days) to run the club, who has hired successive poor managers and signed poor players, with poor attitudes on high wages. 

 

We got lucky with Maresca but it really did paper over the cracks of what a stinking mess the club is. 

 

There is zero accountability at any level of the club and poor discipline and standards has been allowed to take over the atmosphere within the club. 

 

It genuinely feels like nobody cares. The owner, the board, the coaches, the players, nobody seems to give a fck or actually want to fight to improve the club. 

 

Unfortunately nothing will change whilst Top and Rudkin are at the club and I'll be genuinely amazed if we're not in administration within the next 12 months. 

[Stadt]

Absentee owner, hands off DoF and a revolving door of managers means nobody holds players accountable. 
 

Also the inability to shift players when they aren’t up to it - so Choudhury, Winks, Vestergaard etc end up staying and shitting up the standards.