League One - Who manages us?

[Foxdiamond]

Need to quash this RM talk. If Glover behind it sack him. The club needs to reset and galvanise the support. Appointing RM would kill any possible germination of hope stone dead

[v6rat]

1 hour ago, jv1 said:

Why does everyone hate Russel Martin so much ? Genuine question 

Maybe because when Martin was sacked at Rangers, he had them 8th in a historically 2 horse race. Should tell you all you need to know about this football knowledge, style and man management.

[LFC bear]

Rangers fan here visiting with a stark warning regarding Onions McGraw, aka Russell Martin. 

 

He is the biggest bluffer who has ever decided to coach football teams.

 

He cannot set up a defence properly 

 

A clueless comedian who will set you up to get hammered and then blame player “anxiety” 

 

He couldn't conjour a win with Rangers in the tin pot scotch league and we got absolutely ripped apart in the champions league qualifiers and the Europa league league phase. Proper humped badly. 

 

If he brings in a guy named Mike Williamson as part of his staff also known as Mike “The Carlisle Way” Williamson.

 

Go look into his time in management - another fantasist crack pot. 

 

League 2 will on the cards if you appoint Veg Lasso and Co 

 

Worst manager in Rangers' 150-plus-year history. 

[CruzNoir]

Arne Slot is free now….

Edited 30 May by CruzNoir

[Pita]

Quick Top Arne Slot just got the sack🤣🤣🤣

[v6rat]

Rudkin pulled a master stroke, ignored Skubala knowing that Slot would be available.

Edited 30 May by v6rat

[GrobyLCFC31]

Veg Lasso is an unbelievable slander name!! 
 

I did see a tweet a few months ago from a Rangers fan who had become that p!ssed off with Martin that he’d resorted to buying double the amount of meat that he needed so it cancelled out RM being vegan!!  🤣

[surrifox]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Martyn Glover worked with Martin at Southampton and is a massive fan of his. He was apparently advocating very strongly for Martin before we appointed Cifuentes, and probably has been doing so again. He’ll be behind this if it’s true. 

This Glover bloke is complete c**t , why is he still at the club? Head of Recruitment ? He couldn’t identify a decent prospect if they were standing in front of him . If we’re going to slavishly follow the footsteps of another club why not pick on someone with a modicum of success rather than Southampton who are arguably even more badly run than we are. The incompetence of the tw@ts “ running” the club and their inability to identify chancers and time wasters is unbelievable . I’m sort of surprised they aren’t trying to get Congerton back or one of the other “ undead” zombies from the past 8 years or so 

[Spanner73]

2 hours ago, srevell580 said:

I really hate to do this, but, Frank Sidebottom is also dead 🙁 

Barry chuckle and Frank Sidebottom 

Im running out of candidates who would fit into our club perfectly 

[inckley fox]

Obviously if it were Martin he'd have to get off to a flying start. In the unlikely event that he took us up two divisions over the next few seasons, I suppose that would be the perfect redemption arc for Top and his ideology. In fact, I'm sure the pro-KP faction would consider promotion from League One alone worthy of vindication. And you'd imagine we'll be the favourites, so a lot of people are going to be of the view that there's a good chance of Top being proven right whoever he chooses to bring in.

 

There are three huge, glaring problems with this, however.

 

Firstly, that it would be proof that nothing has really changed at a time when drastic change is required. Proof that Top is still fixated with possession-based football - an obsession which most likely contributed to us parting ways with Pearson in 2010 and setting our progress back by years, appointing Sousa then Sven. And which - back in 2017 - was deemed 'the only truly sustainable way forward' for the club (at a point in time when two promotions and a league title were our recent past, and a collapse of existential proportions our not-too-distant future). Proof that we can't look beyond gradually replacing everyone at the club with someone who was a bit of a failure at Southampton. Proof that 'outside the box thinking' doesn't exist in our boardroom, and that we can't get 'inside the box thinking' right either.

 

Secondly, this would either mean that McCarron was another 'yes man', handpicked because he roundly reflected all of Top's and Rudkin's ideals, or that Top was still making the big calls, and McCarron is an utter irrelevance. The rule of thumb for some time has been that if Top thinks something is the right way forward, then it's probably the very opposite of what we should be doing, and so the same would have to apply to Martin's appointment. And to McCarron's. And, while we're at it, Glover's. And everything else from top to bottom of the club.

 

Finally, the chances of it coming off would be slimmer than the average pundit might think. Many fans will make their minds up before a ball is kicked, and as we saw with Cooper, that in itself can make it very hard for something to work out. Even if - like most of us - you resolve not to boo him from the off, if the football is frustrating and pedestrian in Game One, there'll be restlessness. And even if that works out for him, when the first defeat comes the sense of 'here we go again' will be far greater than it would with other managers. Sometimes an appointment is so monumentally unpopular that it's really hard for it to work out, even if it should. And when you actually look at his record with clubs like Rangers, Swansea, MK Dons, and even to a degree with Southampton where he rather unspectacularly pulled off what he was widely expected to pull off (before it all went wrong) it all reeks of style over substance. Hype for doing things in an interesting way - the 'right' way, if you're of a particular school of thought - but not in a very effective way. Even in the third tier.

 

So the chances of it working out with a crap, unpopular manager appointed by a chairman whose key decisions have almost exclusively been proven to be wrong, and at a club which is plummeting fast and opting to change pretty much nothing, are not all that great.

 

Perhaps, as with Southampton, Martin will achieve what everyone expects him to next season - you can't discount the possibility - but even then I'd be very dubious that we'd learnt our lessons, fixed the club, got back on the right track. Instead of that, the club needs a genuine upheaval of its long-standing, failed ideals, for other people to make the big calls instead of Top or Rudkin, for a manager to come in who is custom-made for a budget rebuild and success in the third tier.

 

It shouldn't be too hard for them to realise this, but we all know what past evidence suggests on that score.

[fox_favourite]

In Slot we trust! 

[fox_favourite]

41 minutes ago, LFC bear said:

Rangers fan here visiting with a stark warning regarding Onions McGraw, aka Russell Martin. 

 

He is the biggest bluffer who has ever decided to coach football teams.

 

He cannot set up a defence properly 

 

A clueless comedian who will set you up to get hammered and then blame player “anxiety” 

 

He couldn't conjour a win with Rangers in the tin pot scotch league and we got absolutely ripped apart in the champions league qualifiers and the Europa league league phase. Proper humped badly. 

 

If he brings in a guy named Mike Williamson as part of his staff also known as Mike “The Carlisle Way” Williamson.

 

Go look into his time in management - another fantasist crack pot. 

 

League 2 will on the cards if you appoint Veg Lasso and Co 

 

Worst manager in Rangers' 150-plus-year history. 

You don't have to saying anything, we Rylan is an utter fraud and we certainly don't want him anywhere near our club! 

[surrifox]

He’ll Slot in seamlessly 

[JimJams]

2 hours ago, jv1 said:

Why does everyone hate Russel Martin so much ? Genuine question 

Because he's shit at what he does?

Unless of course you regard what he does as talking a good game even when reality says different.

Then he's fxxking class.

[Drew Peacock]

1 hour ago, Foxdiamond said:

Need to quash this RM talk. If Glover behind it sack him. The club needs to reset and galvanise the support. Appointing RM would kill any possible germination of hope stone dead

Exactly this. If the club read the room then no way would they even consider him. The problem is they rarely ever do.

I know Martin had success in the lower leagues, winning promotion with MK Dons in League 2,  but personally I’m sick to death of that style of football.

Also, I’m not able to describe why, but everything Martin ever says, his body language and stroking of his beard every 5 seconds, irritate me and give me the creeps in equal measure.

Edited 30 May by Drew Peacock

[Drew Peacock]

36 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Because he's shit at what he does?

Unless of course you regard what he does as talking a good game even when reality says different.

Then he's fxxking class.

I’d go even further and say even his talking a good game doesn’t sound authentic, especially when things get tough. He has a way of deflecting blame from himself onto the players, but in a way that makes it sound like he’s being sympathetic to them.

In terms of just bringing a much needed change of culture to the club, I think he’d be a disaster.

[Foxin_Mad]

3 hours ago, Edingleyfox said:

No point throwing money at Martin when cash is so short for players. Last thing Leicester needs is slow possession based football with no money for strikers etc. Surprised we didn’t go for the Lincoln manager 

Because thanks the the inept clowns running our club we are now the small time LCFC, in bottom tiers of football snd Lincoln are in the top tiers

[HankMarvin]

Claudio to get talked into it 

[JimJams]

Why would you be so cruel?

[inckley fox]

38 minutes ago, Drew Peacock said:

Exactly this. If the club read the room then no way would they even consider him. The problem is they rarely ever do.

I know Martin had success in the lower leagues, winning promotion with MK Dons in League 2,  but personally I’m sick to death of that style of football.

Also, I’m not able to describe why, but everything Martin ever says, his body language and stroking of his beard every 5 seconds, irritate me and give me the creeps in equal measure.

He didn't win promotion with MK Dons did he? I thought that was before he took over. They were lower mid-table in League One under him, I think.

[moore_94]

GET HIM IN (although sounds like he is going Blackburn)

 

 

Edited 30 May by moore_94

[Spudulike]

15 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

GET HIM IN (although sounds like he is going Blackburn)

 

 

Rowett more likely at Blackburn?

[les-tah]

23 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

GET HIM IN (although sounds like he is going Blackburn)

 

 

Genuine question as am clueless - why do we want/need him? Whats he offering to us?

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, les-tah said:

Genuine question as am clueless - why do we want/need him? Whats he offering to us?

A success at every club he has managed so far in his career, at least one promotion with every club, used to not having a lot of money to spend, majority of his seasons at clubs have ended up with the club in the playoff places, his sides always out perform where they should be

[les-tah]

Just now, moore_94 said:

A success at every club he has managed so far in his career, at least one promotion with every club, used to not having a lot of money to spend, majority of his seasons at clubs have ended up with the club in the playoff places, his sides always out perform where they should be

I also asked ai and they said “I’d liken Dave Challinor most closely to Antonio Conte, but at EFL level — with a bit of Diego Simeone’s edge in mentality.”