Burton Albion vs Leicester City - Friendly

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Any danger of some ****ing subs 

[coolhandfox]

16 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

If went into the market and signed a young right winger we would be very happy if we signed Riley Carr.

 

Bags of speed and technical ability and good decision making.

 

I think the expectation that we will go into the market and improve on our youngsters is unlikely.

 

You only need to look at our £7mil winger signing in Mavididi on the other wing to realise that the ability that Riley Carr has would be out of the price range for a club like ours.

 

Basically Evans and Carr should be competing for first choice.

C'mon mate I know you like to champion the kids but that's a silly statement.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by coolhandfox

[Corky]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Any danger of some ****ing subs 

Nathan for Oliver

[honeybradger]

21 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

C'mon mate I know you like to champion the kids but that's a silly statement.

 

 

 

 

 

What about it is silly?

 

I guess using Mavididi as an example of a £7mil signing is maybe a bit off as it seems he's lost his motivation for football and he was a good championship player for us at some point.

 

I still think it's a fine comparison as it just shows that even signing proven quality like Mavididi (he scored a decent number in ligue 1 which is more proven than anyone we will sign this summer) can always go wrong.

 

Riley Carr has been very impressive this pre season and has done enough to show he has the level to be a starter for us. If we sign a player he has to offer more than Carr and I'm not sure there are many players willing to move to a league one club that falls into that bracket. To back up my earlier statement I don't think we could afford what it would take to sign a player like that either.

Edited 17 hours ago by honeybradger

[coolhandfox]

6 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

What about it is silly?

 

I guess using Mavididi as an example of a £7mil signing is maybe a bit off as it seems he's lost his motivation for football and he was a good championship player for us at some point.

 

I still think it's a fine comparison as it just shows that even signing proven quality like Mavididi (he scored a decent number in ligue 1 which is more proven than anyone we will sign this summer) can always go wrong.

 

Riley Carr has been very impressive this pre season and has done enough to show he has the level to be a starter for us. If we sign a player he has to offer more than Carr and I'm not sure there are many players willing to move to a league one club that falls into that bracket. To back up my earlier statement I don't think we could afford what it would take to sign a player like that either.

You do realise we signed Carr on a free? 

 

So obvious you can pick up good players for cheap and ones better better than Carr.

 

Plenty around.

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by coolhandfox

[ACF]

4 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

I can see some loans.

 

I can't see Evans, Opuko, Otchere and Hutchinson all being in the squad.

Agree, only reason they’re all in the squad is if we don’t bring in a striker.

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

You do realise we signed Carr on a free? 

 

So obvious you can pick up good players for cheap and ones better better than Carr.

 

Plenty around.

 

 

 

 

As an extreme example we signed Mahrez for £400k, that doesn't mean that there are loads of players that you can sign for £400k that are as good as Mahrez.

 

Since Mahrez left in terms of right wingers we have signed:

 

Ghezzal £20mil - too slow

Diabate £1mil? - not decisive enough

Perez £15mil - too slow, not a winger

Under - always shoots, poor decision making

Tete - too slow

Fatawu £17mil - no composure under pressure

 

It's clearly not as easy as you make out to sign good and cheap wingers. Ability wise Carr is not far off the wingers we have had starting at higher levels than we are at now over the last decade. I mean we had Ayew and BDCR on the wings in the PL in recent memory.

 

If you can show me a player who is  fast, technical, good at shooting, good decision making, good work rate that is available for cheap then maybe they would be worth buying and playing ahead of Carr.

Edited 15 hours ago by honeybradger

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

As an extreme example we signed Mahrez for £400k, that doesn't mean that there are loads of players that you can sign for £400k that are as good as Mahrez.

 

Since Mahrez left in terms of right wingers we have signed:

 

Ghezzal £20mil - too slow

Diabate £1mil? - not decisive enough

Perez £15mil - too slow, not a winger

Under - always shoots, poor decision making

Tete - too slow

Fatawu £17mil - no composure under pressure

 

It's clearly not as easy as you make out to sign good and cheap wingers.

 

If you can show me a player who is  fast, technical, good at shooting, good decision making that is available for cheap then maybe they would be worth buying and playing ahead of Carr.

I’d argue Mahrez is one of the Premier League greatest ever right inside forwards. Him and Hazard are criminally underrated. The fact we picked him up for £400k still blows my mind. 
 

Sometimes though, you need to take a chance on a player. Remember when we were looking at Bowen at Hull. He was generally regarded as too slow. He’s been excellent for West Ham.
 

Ghezzel on paper had the tools and technical ability to be excellent. We all knew his mentality wasn’t right though, Monaco fans warned us before he arrived. 
 

Perez for me did a steady job on the wing, albeit in a system job as it allowed Ricardo to advance past him. He was never a winger though really. 
 

The one I wish we’d have signed permanently in hindsight was Akgun, as I always thought he was steady. We just needed steady players and not the likes of Ayew, Reid and Skipp on large wages and spunking money up the wall. 

[TommyK]

6 hours ago, honeybradger said:

What about it is silly?

 

I guess using Mavididi as an example of a £7mil signing is maybe a bit off as it seems he's lost his motivation for football and he was a good championship player for us at some point.

 

I still think it's a fine comparison as it just shows that even signing proven quality like Mavididi (he scored a decent number in ligue 1 which is more proven than anyone we will sign this summer) can always go wrong.

 

Riley Carr has been very impressive this pre season and has done enough to show he has the level to be a starter for us. If we sign a player he has to offer more than Carr and I'm not sure there are many players willing to move to a league one club that falls into that bracket. To back up my earlier statement I don't think we could afford what it would take to sign a player like that either.

Carr has looked good in a few preseason games that mean nothing. Hes not even made his league debut. I'm not sure what you are basing this opinion on. 

 

I hope he's an absolute world beater and becomes a city baller. But it's far too early to say. 

[Big_Nige]

Realistically, we know Alves, Braybrooke, Page & Aluko are ready for men’s football and this will be their breakout season with us. 

 

The last thing we should do is sign a player that’ll block any pathway they have to the first XI. I want those 4 starting week in week out

 

But the two lads who have impressed me most are Carr and Neale. Probably because they are new names to me, but both are technically excellent, and Carr is so direct. They both feel like new signings. It’s one of them where would there development be better off with regular minutes with a league 2 club or as part of our first team squad. Id personally keep them around, and re-access in January
 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

What we have to remember is it highly likely this season with cups etc we will play a minimum of 50-55 games. Therefore our academy players could easily start 20-25-30

games this season and be involved in another 10–15 from the bench, that would be a massive step for them, however that also means we will need other players to work in rotation. 
 

i think with most signings this summer it will be about having a squad capable of getting through 55 games, the academy players will not be able to do that in isolation. Whilst they are exciting and have huge futures, they are at the beginning of there careers, physically and mentally there is a huge risk they could blow up by February. 
 

So the club and RM will have a plan that enables us to have some solid and established senior pros supported by a large group of talented academy prospects and I think there will be a fair amount of rotation to help keep the squad fresh and energy levels really high. 

[Rubbersoul]

Only just noticed Mirsad Ali was playing. How did he get on? 

[Taz_The_Fox]

11 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said:

Only just noticed Mirsad Ali was playing. How did he get on? 

Composed, big enough for sure, but most of the attacks were coming down the right for us when he came on. Him and Hutchinson didn't get a lot of the ball due to Carr and JJ dominating their side.

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, TommyK said:

Carr has looked good in a few preseason games that mean nothing. Hes not even made his league debut. I'm not sure what you are basing this opinion on. 

 

I hope he's an absolute world beater and becomes a city baller. But it's far too early to say. 

I don't base whether I like players over how many games they have played, thats how you end up with players like Ayew. I like them because of their qualities and how good they seem to be at football.

 

Using Mahrez as an example again, his record in Ligue 2 was poor but Steve Walsh originally identified him because he did a trick that he hadn't seen done on a professional football pitch before.

 

As much as people might have gone off him recently one of our best signings in recent years in Fatawu had only played 6 games in the Portuguese League and 12 in the portugese 3rd tier when we signed him, not much to go off. The only way we could have picked him out is based on someone liking his qualities as a player rather than off his established performances.

 

Carr to me has so much obvious quality and looks like a nightmare for fullbacks, i think our scouting team have their work cut out for them to find a better replacement for Fatawu if that is something they are looking for.

[coolhandfox]

7 hours ago, honeybradger said:

As an extreme example we signed Mahrez for £400k, that doesn't mean that there are loads of players that you can sign for £400k that are as good as Mahrez.

 

Since Mahrez left in terms of right wingers we have signed:

 

Ghezzal £20mil - too slow

Diabate £1mil? - not decisive enough

Perez £15mil - too slow, not a winger

Under - always shoots, poor decision making

Tete - too slow

Fatawu £17mil - no composure under pressure

 

It's clearly not as easy as you make out to sign good and cheap wingers. Ability wise Carr is not far off the wingers we have had starting at higher levels than we are at now over the last decade. I mean we had Ayew and BDCR on the wings in the PL in recent memory.

 

If you can show me a player who is  fast, technical, good at shooting, good decision making, good work rate that is available for cheap then maybe they would be worth buying and playing ahead of Carr.

I think you are going very early on Carr.

 

Let him actually play a senior minute of league football rather than a few in friendly.

 

[Rubbersoul]

I watched Evans a fair bit for Northampton after I had abandoned Leicester and whilst he only scored 2 he looked completely fine at that level. 
 

There was one game, Wimbledon away I believe where he should’ve scored 3 and was by far their best player. He played up top on his own that game. 
 

His goal against Cardiff was top quality too. 
 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Rubbersoul

[Globalfox]

12 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

Out of interest are there any senior players from last year you feel we ought to keep?

None they all failed us and are toxic sweep them all out of the club

[CrazyKopCorner]

22 minutes ago, Globalfox said:

None they all failed us and are toxic sweep them all out of the club

Here Here 

[FosseSpark]

Will.Jayden Joseph get games this season do we think?

[Rubbersoul]

5 minutes ago, FosseSpark said:

Will.Jayden Joseph get games this season do we think?

I should think so. Was a standout player for Tranmere last season in League 2 

[Lesta2014]

19 minutes ago, FosseSpark said:

Will.Jayden Joseph get games this season do we think?

Was captain second half I believe, would be a sign Martin likes him as he’s shared it round the more experienced lads so far. 

[Angus Scott]

13 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

Out of interest are there any senior players from last year you feel we ought to keep?

Stolarych, if you call him a senior player, Souttar & Nelson. Obviously Abdul, but I know there is little chance of that.

Okoli, Faes, Thomas, Skipp, Choudhary, Mavadidi, Reid all need to be gone. Apart from the fact they are not very good, their wages are crippling the club

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, FosseSpark said:

Will.Jayden Joseph get games this season do we think?

I think so. We're pretty short on full-backs, with only Thomas, Woyo, Aluko, Joseph, and Hamza capable of doing a job there.

 

Personally, I can see Woyo leaving either on loan or permanently, and Hamza will likely be needed in midfield at times.

 

That leaves Thomas, Aluko, and Joseph to cover the full-back positions. I don't see us bringing anyone else in as I think management will have other priorities, once we have moved on more senior players.

[Stuntman_Mike]

12 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Any danger of some ****ing subs 

Had to double check this was the Burton pre season thread 

[Sly]

5 hours ago, honeybradger said:

I don't base whether I like players over how many games they have played, thats how you end up with players like Ayew. I like them because of their qualities and how good they seem to be at football.

 

Using Mahrez as an example again, his record in Ligue 2 was poor but Steve Walsh originally identified him because he did a trick that he hadn't seen done on a professional football pitch before.

 

As much as people might have gone off him recently one of our best signings in recent years in Fatawu had only played 6 games in the Portuguese League and 12 in the portugese 3rd tier when we signed him, not much to go off. The only way we could have picked him out is based on someone liking his qualities as a player rather than off his established performances.

 

Carr to me has so much obvious quality and looks like a nightmare for fullbacks, i think our scouting team have their work cut out for them to find a better replacement for Fatawu if that is something they are looking for.

Fatawu was a known article though when we signed him.

 

He’d finished something like 18th in the European Golden Boy rankings or whatever it was called then.

 

Mahrez was picked from nowhere really. Apparently he wasn’t the player Walsh had even travelled to watch.