Simi Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Can the fourth official inform the referee of any decisions at all? If he spots something then obviously he can contact the ref but it's not usually needed from off the pitch.
Jimmy Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Can the fourth official inform the referee of any decisions at all? not officially but as we saw in the world cup final they do it then create a bs story to cover up
Blue Fox Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 To be honest as Simon Grayson said, we had chances to win about 5 games.Their keeper had the game of his life. Personally I saw enough to be hopeful(ish) but I have never seen a less organised defence than ours today. Mattock looked uncomfortable at left back, McAuley i.m.o. is too slow. The main thing though was that none of the back four looked sure of what each other was going to do. AND the ref was an absolute c**t In spite of all that we didn't win because we didn't score!
Raj Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 My comments (unbiased as i aint read any ones yet!) Started off very slowly,Bpool played the ball round well without nececssarily creating much. Got into it after about 20 mins and MdV created a great chance for himself.THAT would have ben wonder goal and got people off his back...but it didnt!!! Hume had a good chance too,i think it was in the first half. Clemence played very well,spread the ball around very well. I was disappointed in Kishichev,Im probably excpecting more from him,but i was disappointed. Though Bruno did well,but the defence still didn't look solid did it??? "nd half we played more upbeat and played well and created enough chances to have won. The Bpool goalie pulled out some top drawer saves BUT at the end of the day,if you cant score...you're in the shit!!! Once the chances came and went ,i knew it was a matter of time and BANG there it was. Cant really have any complaints about our injured player as im sure if we were attacking we'd have played on To be far they only had that real chance,as far as i can remember. It was a very disappointing score BUT we did more than enough to win it and should take some positives out of it and ot be too down beat....I'l take off my blue tinted glasses of now Is that Optimistic Bus still full????
Yaxx Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Some of the utter shite being posted here is unbelievable. It's one game, its the first day of the season, and people are already getting their knickers in a twist.Here are a few things I found out today (although the first three I think most people knew already!) and I hope MA has taken note. 1) James Wesolowski is not a winger, play him inside and he's much more useful 2) Mark De Vries is not going to win lots of flick ons, so forget pumping the ball up to him. 3) Paul Henderson needs to learn how to communicate with his defence 4) Joe Mattock's confidence will not grow if there are people in the Kop (and I imagine elsewhere) barracking him. 5) We played much better football with wingers on the pitch on BOTH sides 6) Gareth McAuley should use the space available to him and quit playing aimless long balls (I think I read an analogy somewhere with regard to Matt Heath- SPOT ON). 7) Steven Clemence needs to improve his dead ball skills as the corners and free kicks he took were by and large woeful Blackpool are no mugs, they came with a game plan and had the quality and discipline to pull it off, so well done them. If they continue in that vein then they'll have no problems staying in this division at all. We were poor for the first twenty five minutes- far too narrow and the play was confined to a very small part of the pitch but Blackpool had done their homework and they dominated the play here. James Wesolowski is not a winger, but ironically it tended to be when he drifted inside that we had our best opportunities. In the second half we were much the better team- especially after Campbell and Hayes were brought on and Weso moved to the middle. There were a whole host of chances and to be honest we should have scored at least one. No-one in their right mind can compare that to the dross that was being served up last season. There were little glimpses of good interplay and I'm sure there's more of this to come when the lads learn how to play together a bit more. The positives of the day for me have to be Chambers (and I really hope his injury isn't too serious- he looks a very useful right back) and N'Gotty at the back, the decent performance of De Vries, and the potential of young Hayes. If we can build on this then I'm still confident of a decent season. I fully agree with most of what you say, but let's be honest this was a pisspoor start and not very encouraging. Insofar as Mattock is concerned either he's good enough or he isn't.
Brainy Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Not very happy with MA today? I saw some people say he was a legend because his manager updates were funny. Still think that?
Simon Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 I fully agree with most of what you say, but let's be honest this was a pisspoor start and not very encouraging. Insofar as Mattock is concerned either he's good enough or he isn't. I wouldn't say it was piss poor. Yes it was disappointing, especially first half. But even when the team was read out you could tell there'd be problems in the middle of the park. If we sort those problems out then I see us having at worst an OK season. Mattock is good enough, but he's 17, and still a youngster. If he makes a mistake its going to make him even more nervous when people get on his back. Those people don't do him (or themselves!) any favours. I don't want to see the lad go the same way as Jordan Stewart (and this lad, if I'm honest has so much more potential than Stewart!) and the host of other left-backs we've gone through in the last few years.
Mr Happy Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Sounded like we created some good chances, just need to put them away.I'm quietly confident De Vries is to blame for us not scoring Also, why the hell did weso play on the wing????? Yeah I thought that too when the squad was announced. To be honest as Simon Grayson said, we had chances to win about 5 games.Their keeper had the game of his life. Personally I saw enough to be hopeful(ish) but I have never seen a less organised defence than ours today. Mattock looked uncomfortable at left back, McAuley i.m.o. is too slow. The main thing though was that none of the back four looked sure of what each other was going to do. The positives were: Weso looked dominant in the middle i.m.o. Hume looked lively all game Deep Freeze looked good in the 1st half (was a bit qiuet in the 2nd to be fair) John Hayes looked lively on the wing, could be a good impact player. AND the ref was an absolute c**t Weso played more on the wing than in the middle today IMO De Vries had a better second half, than first Hayes = YES!! That boy was guuuuuuuuddddd when he came on, lets see more of him to prove it ain't a one off though. I also liked the look of N'Gotty, thought he was solid enough.
The Reverend Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Today was a really really interesting performance. First half we were pooooooor. Second half we seemed to be almost gaining the initiative, when they get a goal which was, in honesty, very unfair (tho i wouldn't of been complaining had the shoe been on the other foot), to which it looked like it took the energy out pf the players. Tho we continued to attack, we never properly opened Blackpool up. We had a few good chances, about a 100 half chances but couldnt put one away, which was a shame as i was really looking forward to watching us again. There were many positives tho, N'Gotty looks extremely solid, Clemence, tho a bit off the boil today, you can tell he has something, Hume looked sharp, and until he got injured Chambers looked lively. What a shocker the young lad Mattock had today though, very disappointing and unfortunately it was his giving away of the ball on the half way line that led to their goal. Kishishevs set plays looked reasonable, better than what we've had, and Weso was full of energy and running. One thing i will say is imo, Allen will have to Choose Kish or Weso, you cant play them both just to accomodate them both. Campbell looked lively when he came on, one mazy little run, and one or two chances, but lest be fair, their keeper was in inspired form. Very very unlucky result, another day we score 5 and win the game easily. Lastly, MDV. Hes got fit and looks a little better, but imo he still isnt good enough. When he plays it encourages the high hoofing, we know he doesnt do that. Yes he hit the crossbar with a brilliant effort, but he just doesnt move freely enough or anticipate whats going on around him. Pace is what scares defenders in this division, not height or strength (especially when MDV isnt particularly strong on the ball anyway), so Campbell and Hume for me. Keep it on the deck and those two can be a force. But anyway, unlucky today as i said, but thats football.
Manwell Pablo Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 I would like to see the goal again before I say Henderson should of saved it but it looks to me that he got a good strong hand to it and was still unable to keep it out. A bit dissapointed with the nature of the goal RE Chambers being down injured as well. The defending wasn't great and it was if we were waiting for Blackpool to put the ball out, which they didn't. I Hope Clemance and Kishishev are both going to play better than that. Mark De Vries looks better, but his , movement is no existance, which doesn't really help the midfielders, if he aint going to move they can't knock the ball through to him, couple of nice headers that unfortunatley didn't find the net. DJ Campbell looks lively but should of scored. Dissapointed we didn't throw Fryatt on instead of Hayes, who had a decentish sub apperance. Certainly looks comfortable on the ball and is capable of delivering a half decent cross even if he doens't manage it every time. Can't be arsed to analayze any more beers calling. Pissed off, we weren't very good, but we were better than them, should of won, didn't. Off to get drunk.
Bryn Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Don't think it was anything like as bad as some of you are making out Disappointing result, but personally I thought we dominated possession, really don't think Blackpool were up to much at all. Their strikers were pretty poor and for the most part defensively I think we had them wrapped up. Our lot lost their heads when Chambers went down and the goal was a sucker punch, Blackpool certainly didn't deserve it. Agree that Kishishev and Clemence is VASTLY inferior to Clemence and Wesolowski, Wesolowski looked inspired when moved infield. Was disappointed with Newton, obviously completely useless on the left wing without a left foot, but frankly little better on the right wing. Refused to take a man on, usually just turning round and knocking the ball back to Stearman. Going through the team, Henderson was as ever "alright", you couldn't fault him much for the goal and other than that he did ok. Chambers looks a very exciting player, if we had a left back of the same quality and some wingers we'd be a totally different prospect. McAuley and N'Gotty had good games and looked solid but they're going to get ripped apart when we come up against a fast attack with a decent midfield, especially N'Gotty. Mattock looked green out there, he's clearly got some class but we need a left back because he looked thoroughly nervous out there and made mistakes. Newton and Wesolowski I've covered, Wesolowski really stands out in the centre, class act. Clemence was full of energy and endeavour and showed signs of class but wasn't outstanding. MDV worked hard, had some good chances and linked up well at times but he's not particularly good in the air, far better on the floor. I'm not going to slate him though, he worked hard and was by no means poor. Didn't work in the role he was asked to play though. Hume needed better service, never got to run through on goal - surprisingly though, in the first half at times he just didn't seem to want to run onto the flick ons. Frankly - he had no confidence in MDV. I was very close to him in the first half - his exasperation at MDV's failed attempts to reach the ball in the air showed and when he did win a header Hume was just sat expecting him not to win it. As for subs... DJ showed signs, in particular his run when he got the ball for the first time - give him service and he will score goals. Hayes looked impressive but is it another case of a fast lively winger with no end product? Still, he must start against Palace, we need a left winger out there and a right one. Stearman worked hard for me, made no mistakes but I don't think he has that much ability. Overall, we played decently, and had the chances to win the game. Their keeper was inspired, the referee was shite and at times our team didn't quite look gelled... even in our best spell we spent a lot of time passing and moving without not really knowing quite what to do with the ball. For me, that will develop. I think our side is screaming, absolutely bellowing for wingers. But I definately feel the signs are there, and the team has a lot of potential if it gels. Our worst performer today? Martin Allen. Needs to realise that we need wingers... even sub par ones will do for now. His tactics did not work and they inhibited our play, but I feel he will know this and look to make changes. We looked fit, we looked committed, at times we looked somewhat classy if not a bit scrappy in the final third. The signs are there that this will be a better season.
Raj Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 My comments (unbiased as i aint read any ones yet!)Started off very slowly,Bpool played the ball round well without nececssarily creating much. Got into it after about 20 mins and MdV created a great chance for himself.THAT would have ben wonder goal and got people off his back...but it didnt!!! Hume had a good chance too,i think it was in the first half. Clemence played very well,spread the ball around very well. I was disappointed in Kishichev,Im probably excpecting more from him,but i was disappointed. Though Bruno did well,but the defence still didn't look solid did it??? "nd half we played more upbeat and played well and created enough chances to have won. The Bpool goalie pulled out some top drawer saves BUT at the end of the day,if you cant score...you're in the shit!!! Once the chances came and went ,i knew it was a matter of time and BANG there it was. Cant really have any complaints about our injured player as im sure if we were attacking we'd have played on To be far they only had that real chance,as far as i can remember. It was a very disappointing score BUT we did more than enough to win it and should take some positives out of it and ot be too down beat....I'l take off my blue tinted glasses of now Is that Optimistic Bus still full???? I personally thought the lad Hayes came on and made a very positive impact
SEMTEXDREW Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Not very happy with MA today?I saw some people say he was a legend because his manager updates were funny. Still think that? yes
Monk Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Evening all. An interesting game. An eye opener anyhow. First half we were poor, there's no other way to put it really. Especially the passing - far too many of them went adrift and we failed to find any space at all. We looked very nervous for the first 15 mins and crowded around the ball far too much I really am trying to give De Vries a chance but I still dont think he'd score more than 10 goals this season if he plays every game. But anyhow, I dont think he will be the first choice striker come the end of this month. The guy has one strength - having his back to goal and ball played to his feet. Not enough IMO. We were much better in the second half - particularly with the departure of Kish and the arrival of Hayes. More of that + some more accurate and lively passing movement will see us getting some points on the board. I was disappointed with Blackpools sportsmanship today. Not only the goal but also the endless time wasting - the ref really should have got his book out. Also did anyone see their substitute warming up when Stearman took that long throw & did a high leg stretch about 1 ft from his face. Poor show by them. What worries me is that we have 2 difficult games coming up in Watford and Palace. Neither will be a pushover and both scored a bag of goals today. Really do not want to finish this month in the relegation zone, but those will be tough games to get anything out of based on how we played today!! At any rate - we are better than we were last season!
Bellend Sebastian Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Obviously disappointing to lose the first game, but if it weren't for our defense being distracted by the lad Chambers being on the floor I don't think we would have conceded. If that had been a 0-0 I think we would still have been underwhelmed but it would hardly have been a disaster. I know that there weren't that many new players in the starting line up but with three of those being the central midfield pairing and one of the centre backs (all key positions) I wasn't that surprised that they weren't quick out of the blocks in their first competitive game. David Blunkett would be able to see that there was a shocking lack of width (which will presumably be addressed by signings at some stage) which probably had a lot to do with the lack of service to the front two which was the main problem for me throughout last season. I thought MDV did alright with what he got, but it wasn't much. With a stronger squad than last season and the potential for new signings I would be pretty confident that the deficiencies we saw today can be remedied and fairly quickly. Ever the optimist
C-man Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Not very happy with MA today?I saw some people say he was a legend because his manager updates were funny. Still think that? You're surely joking?! We've lost one game and the MA out crew are starting to gather. I'm not sure how jovial that comment was but we have some pathetic fans.
Rocky Dennis Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Cant be arsed to read thru the debating, FACT-we were shite, different manager,chairman,players etc.... still same old shite, am gutted, no positives IMO.
Thracian Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Some of the utter shite being posted here is unbelievable. It's one game, its the first day of the season, and people are already getting their knickers in a twist.Here are a few things I found out today (although the first three I think most people knew already!) and I hope MA has taken note. 1) James Wesolowski is not a winger, play him inside and he's much more useful 2) Mark De Vries is not going to win lots of flick ons, so forget pumping the ball up to him. 3) Paul Henderson needs to learn how to communicate with his defence 4) Joe Mattock's confidence will not grow if there are people in the Kop (and I imagine elsewhere) barracking him. 5) We played much better football with wingers on the pitch on BOTH sides 6) Gareth McAuley should use the space available to him and quit playing aimless long balls (I think I read an analogy somewhere with regard to Matt Heath- SPOT ON). 7) Steven Clemence needs to improve his dead ball skills as the corners and free kicks he took were by and large woeful Blackpool are no mugs, they came with a game plan and had the quality and discipline to pull it off, so well done them. If they continue in that vein then they'll have no problems staying in this division at all. We were poor for the first twenty five minutes- far too narrow and the play was confined to a very small part of the pitch but Blackpool had done their homework and they dominated the play here. James Wesolowski is not a winger, but ironically it tended to be when he drifted inside that we had our best opportunities. In the second half we were much the better team- especially after Campbell and Hayes were brought on and Weso moved to the middle. There were a whole host of chances and to be honest we should have scored at least one. No-one in their right mind can compare that to the dross that was being served up last season. There were little glimpses of good interplay and I'm sure there's more of this to come when the lads learn how to play together a bit more. The positives of the day for me have to be Chambers (and I really hope his injury isn't too serious- he looks a very useful right back) and N'Gotty at the back, the decent performance of De Vries, and the potential of young Hayes. If we can build on this then I'm still confident of a decent season. A lot of good points there and indeed I was thinking how poor our free-kicks were on the way home. Clemence and Kishishev seem to have taken them over but neither are good enough. Hopefully people like Sheehan/Beswick/Porter might be in the Accrington team to show how it should be done. Providing they're given licence to do the job.
potter3 Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 de Vries always looked more in control when the ball was to feet, he's got a quality first touch most of the time.
TheBlinding Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 A lot of good points there and indeed I was thinking how poor our free-kicks were on the way home. Clemence and Kishishev seem to have taken them over but neither are good enough. Hopefully people like Sheehan/Beswick/Porter might be in the Accrington team to show how it should be done. Providing they're given licence to do the job. I think they are both capable of taking good corners but it seems like they have this tactic to delicatly chip it to the front post and it never seems to work, if they just swing it in normally they're very good and we should have scored twice from corners. Not quite sure how Weso missed and De Vries just didn't get the right direction on his free header.
potter3 Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 The faster a corner is the more likely it will just take a small flick to send it in the goal.
lildave3 Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 de Vries always looked more in control when the ball was to feet, he's got a quality first touch most of the time. Holds the ball up as well as anybody.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 STOP THE FLOATY BOLLOCKS! It was like watching Gareth f**king Williams again. You can f**king cut that right out this f**king minute Clemence.
lildave3 Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 STOP THE FLOATY BOLLOCKS!It was like watching Gareth f**king Williams again. You can f**king cut that right out this f**king minute Clemence. Floaty bollocks eh?
Fez of Mahrez Posted 11 August 2007 Posted 11 August 2007 Floaty bollocks eh? Yes, floaty bollocks. It's floaty and it's bollocks. WHIP IT IN THERE YER BASTARD!
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