Allen on his way out or ROWING IS GOOD FOR LEICESTER

[dandannieldanok]

It should be the MANAGER that decides what players get to come to the club and NOT the chairman so Milan can go **** himself for all I care! If he sacks Allen then I'll be all for us starting a "Get Milan Out" thread!

[James.]

If we sack Allen and bring in Roeder, which is the rumor on the BBC, then it will be the biggest mistake that we have made since Peter (the ****wit) Taylor.

We have a new team trying to gel under his management style, getting rid of him would leave us all over the place! Also, Roeder isn't that good at all! He did badly at West Ham, badly at Newcastle and I'm pretty damn sure that he'd do badly here too!

It should be the MANAGER that decides what players get to come to the club and NOT the chairman so Milan can go **** himself for all I care! If he sacks Allen then I'll be all for us starting a "Get Milan Out" thread!

The tone and content of your post suggests that you seriously believe there is weight to this rumour and that it is a possibility that Allen will soon be replaced by Roeder.

You fool.

[Flynny]

The tone and content of your post suggests that you seriously believe there is weight to this rumour and that it is a possibility that Allen will soon be replaced by Roeder.

You fool.

Well said.

Who would actually employ Roeder as a manager? He's worse than Bryan Robson, and god knows how he gets any work.

[Zingari]

If we sack Allen and bring in Roeder, which is the rumor on the BBC, then it will be the biggest mistake that we have made since Peter (the ****wit) Taylor.

We have a new team trying to gel under his management style, getting rid of him would leave us all over the place! Also, Roeder isn't that good at all! He did badly at West Ham, badly at Newcastle and I'm pretty damn sure that he'd do badly here too!

It should be the MANAGER that decides what players get to come to the club and NOT the chairman so Milan can go **** himself for all I care! If he sacks Allen then I'll be all for us starting a "Get Milan Out" thread!

if this does indeed happen, then eventually the reaction of the fans after the initial disquiet/unease, will be the same as it was when MA got the job and draughted in so many players;

and that will be ; MM ( and whoever the manager may be)know what they are doing and we should all get behind them, and remain optimistic , regardless of the apparent stupidity of the handling and dealing of the situation

because whatever MM decides is to happen at the club , will happen , and we'll just have to hope that his decisions will be for the best in the long run.

[Father Ted]

Not particularly a Warnock lover myself but everybody seemed to accept that diving little sh** Speedie when he came here.

Yes, but we knew that what he did for Blackburn, he would do for us.

Just like everybody hates Robbie Savage!

Colin willy puller is a different kettle of fish. He's just a twat FFS

[Master Fox]

Hope this rumour is true.

I think Glen Roeder would be a brilliant manager for the club. Milan.....GET HIM IN! Yes please.

[Ozwin]

What a load of old shit. Believe this if you will but 1 player, and one argument doesn't mean a manager gets the sack. I'm sure clubs have had their managers and chairman at each others throats plenty of times and done nothing about it. >_> This is so stupid it's unreal.

[Chrysalis]

What I think right now is allen needs to be given enough games to at least have a fair crack of the whip. His downside appears to be his ability to handle big name signings, this is a good and bad thing but he shouldnt be sacked on that but rather results.

[Flynny]

What would be a good plan is to let this thread die. The speculation died down days ago.

[davieG]

What would be a good plan is to let this thread die. The speculation died down days ago.

Or Not!

Rowing is good for Leicester, says Allen

Three games into their relationship, Martin Allen admits that he and Milan Mandaric have already been rowing, but the Leicester City manager believes that such tensions will be good for the club.

Reports suggested that Allen would walk out on his new job, only three months after he was lured from Milton Keynes Dons, because of Mandaric's alleged interference in team affairs, but yesterday the manager underlined that his chairman's eager involvement leaves him challenged but undaunted. Indeed, the combustible duo dined together on Wednesday.

It is a union that many believe is as safe as a match and a bonfire. Mandaric, who completed his takeover of the Coca-Cola Championship club six months ago, reportedly spent three hours in the manager's office dissecting a opening-day home defeat by Blackpool. When the former Portsmouth chairman then lined up the signing of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink last week, only for the deal to falter when Allen insisted that the former Charlton Athletic striker undergo a month's trial, sparks flew.

"I've got a very experienced chairman, with a lot of knowledge, and we have a very close working relationship," Allen said. "We speak regularly on the phone, sometimes three or four times a day, but I manage the team, I select the players and that way there's no excuses.

"If anybody expected me to come in here and be a nodding dog, they've got the wrong man. My chairman helps me tremendously and he's very passionate about his football. Yes, we do have fall-outs, but then we sort things out and get on with it."

Mandaric has sanctioned 12 signings this summer and Allen is eagerly pursuing another striker. "The players coming in have to be right for the team, for the club and for the ethos we have here," Allen said. "N'Gotty and Kishishev have been fantastic with their professional attitude."

Leicester come up against Watford, who are second in the table, tomorrow, when Allen will welcome into the opposing dugout Adrian Boothroyd, with whom he graduated on the Uefa Pro Licence course at Warwick University. "There can be a grey cloud hanging over teams who are relegated but that won't happen at Watford with this man in charge," Allen said. "He's an energiser of people, a walking Duracell battery."

Allen will not predict whether Leicester will challenge Watford for promotion this season. "I've managed two football clubs where we've had results. I've tried to develop among my players a culture where their work ethic is guaranteed and their respect for each other is paramount. If I start talking about how long it will take for these new players to gel, that can resemble a get-out clause. If you buy into that attitude, you're halfway to defeat.

"I remember Howard Wilkinson bringing his Leeds United team to West Ham United and beating us. Champagne went into the dressing room and there was all this singing and dancing going on. It turned out they had enough points to avoid relegation. That had been their initial target and they'd achieved it.

"That stuck in my head and I tend to think: 'Let's get safe first and if we can then push on towards the play-offs, let's see what he can achieve there'." Taking it step by step: with Mandaric in the chair, Allen knows his seat will remain too hot to look too far ahead.

[Ric Flair]

Or Not!

Rowing is good for Leicester, says Allen

Three games into their relationship, Martin Allen admits that he and Milan Mandaric have already been rowing, but the Leicester City manager believes that such tensions will be good for the club.

Reports suggested that Allen would walk out on his new job, only three months after he was lured from Milton Keynes Dons, because of Mandaric's alleged interference in team affairs, but yesterday the manager underlined that his chairman's eager involvement leaves him challenged but undaunted. Indeed, the combustible duo dined together on Wednesday.

It is a union that many believe is as safe as a match and a bonfire. Mandaric, who completed his takeover of the Coca-Cola Championship club six months ago, reportedly spent three hours in the manager's office dissecting a opening-day home defeat by Blackpool. When the former Portsmouth chairman then lined up the signing of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink last week, only for the deal to falter when Allen insisted that the former Charlton Athletic striker undergo a month's trial, sparks flew.

"I've got a very experienced chairman, with a lot of knowledge, and we have a very close working relationship," Allen said. "We speak regularly on the phone, sometimes three or four times a day, but I manage the team, I select the players and that way there's no excuses.

"If anybody expected me to come in here and be a nodding dog, they've got the wrong man. My chairman helps me tremendously and he's very passionate about his football. Yes, we do have fall-outs, but then we sort things out and get on with it."

Mandaric has sanctioned 12 signings this summer and Allen is eagerly pursuing another striker. "The players coming in have to be right for the team, for the club and for the ethos we have here," Allen said. "N'Gotty and Kishishev have been fantastic with their professional attitude."

Leicester come up against Watford, who are second in the table, tomorrow, when Allen will welcome into the opposing dugout Adrian Boothroyd, with whom he graduated on the Uefa Pro Licence course at Warwick University. "There can be a grey cloud hanging over teams who are relegated but that won't happen at Watford with this man in charge," Allen said. "He's an energiser of people, a walking Duracell battery."

Allen will not predict whether Leicester will challenge Watford for promotion this season. "I've managed two football clubs where we've had results. I've tried to develop among my players a culture where their work ethic is guaranteed and their respect for each other is paramount. If I start talking about how long it will take for these new players to gel, that can resemble a get-out clause. If you buy into that attitude, you're halfway to defeat.

"I remember Howard Wilkinson bringing his Leeds United team to West Ham United and beating us. Champagne went into the dressing room and there was all this singing and dancing going on. It turned out they had enough points to avoid relegation. That had been their initial target and they'd achieved it.

"That stuck in my head and I tend to think: 'Let's get safe first and if we can then push on towards the play-offs, let's see what he can achieve there'." Taking it step by step: with Mandaric in the chair, Allen knows his seat will remain too hot to look too far ahead.

Interesting article. Still after another striker by the sound of it. I'm also of the opinion that rowing with one another isn't such a bad thing in football or any business. Mandaric will never let Allen rest on his laurels and I think Allen is the sort of man that will use that to drive him on even more.

[The People's Hero]

Rowing keeps you honest and on your toes..

Having said that, those two could argue with anyone. It will all end in tears. But hopefully after a good few years of progress here.

[Zingari]

MM can't help sticking his oar in and rocking the boat

[Thracian]

Mandaric appears virtually impossible to work for as a manager.

He has knowledge and contacts but would clearly love to manage the team himself.

I'll laugh if he sacks MA cos he might as well be sacking himself considering the input he's obviously had.

His involvement seems claustrophobic.

Ideally a chairman is a supportive rock. You can well imagine such a person, given sufficient knowledge and experience, offering suggestions, discussing the merits of various signings, chewing over tactics, showing some enthusiasm and so on.

But not four times a day and not to the point where the manager's authority is ever compromised.

In some ways - apart from his lucrative contract - I'm surprised MA hasn't already resigned.

Mandaric is so passionate that he is applying pressures which cannot be helping MA to do his job properly and cannot therefore be helping the team. I rowing after such a short period of time really healthy and does it really suggest a chairman allowing his employee to get on and manage?

In some ways MM's setting himself up because, if MA was that way inclined, he could easily wind him up enough to sack him and collect a nice fat pay-off safe in the knowledge he could walk into another job tomorrow.

Mandaric should start managing himself before he worries about MA. He should believe in his manager and show it.

I wonder if he would put up with having someone constantly looking over his shoulder if the roles were reversed.

Yes, the chairman may well lay down parameters/budgets from the start but, broadly, the time for a chairman to start interferring and asking questions - as opposed to being supportive and simply helpful - is when things have gone wrong over a period of time.

At least that's the sort of chairman I'd want to work for.

[Ric Flair]

Mandaric appears virtually impossible to work for.

He has knowledge and contacts but would clearly love to manage the team himself.

I'll laugh if he sacks MA cos he might as well be sacking himself considering the input he's obviously had.

His involvement seems claustrophobic.

Ideally a chairman is a supportive rock. You can well imagine such a person, given sufficient knowledge and experience, offering suggestions, discussing the merits of various signings, chewing over tactics, showing some enthusiasm and so on.

But not four times a day and not to the point where the manager's authority is ever compromised.

In some ways - apart from his lucrative contract - I'm surprised MA hasn't already resigned.

Mandaric is so desperate - some would say passionate - that he is applying pressures which cannot be helping MA to do his job properly and cannot therefore be helping the team.

In some ways he's setting himself up because, if MA was that way inclined, he could easily wind him up enough to sack him and collect a nice fat pay-off safe in the knowledge he could walk into another job tomorrow. Very tempting to a mischievous mind like mine.

Mandaric should start managing himself before he worries about MA. He should believe in his manager and show it.

I wonder if he would put up with having someone constantly looking over his shoulder if the roles were reversed.

Yes, the chairman may well lay down parameters/budgets from the start but, broadly, the time for a chairman to start interferring and asking questions - as opposed to being supportive and simply helpful - is when things have gone wrong over a period of time.

At least that's the sort of chairman I'd want to work for.

I'd be interested to hear where you've got this information from, or is it your interpretation? I've only known one manager ever speak badly of Milan Mandaric and that was Harry Redknapp who's now got nothing but praise for him after their reconciliation.

I think Mandaric's reputation as a ruthless, no nonsence man who meddles in absolutely everything is wide of the mark. Ok, so he's a hands on chairman, who doesn't take much bollocks, but i'm yet to see him be outrageously ruthless and Allen has said himself that he enjoys discussing transfers, teams affairs, etc with Mandaric.

You are painting a picture that only lives in the fantasy of the media and the few fans who believe that. Anyhow I can't think of too many other businesses that have owners and chairman that aren't supposed to get involved with their staff below them regarding how the business is ran from top to bottom.

[Ric Flair]

Mandaric appears virtually impossible to work for.

He has knowledge and contacts but would clearly love to manage the team himself.

I'll laugh if he sacks MA cos he might as well be sacking himself considering the input he's obviously had.

His involvement seems claustrophobic.

Ideally a chairman is a supportive rock. You can well imagine such a person, given sufficient knowledge and experience, offering suggestions, discussing the merits of various signings, chewing over tactics, showing some enthusiasm and so on.

But not four times a day and not to the point where the manager's authority is ever compromised.

In some ways - apart from his lucrative contract - I'm surprised MA hasn't already resigned.

Mandaric is so desperate - some would say passionate - that he is applying pressures which cannot be helping MA to do his job properly and cannot therefore be helping the team.

In some ways he's setting himself up because, if MA was that way inclined, he could easily wind him up enough to sack him and collect a nice fat pay-off safe in the knowledge he could walk into another job tomorrow. Very tempting to a mischievous mind like mine.

Mandaric should start managing himself before he worries about MA. He should believe in his manager and show it.

I wonder if he would put up with having someone constantly looking over his shoulder if the roles were reversed.

Yes, the chairman may well lay down parameters/budgets from the start but, broadly, the time for a chairman to start interferring and asking questions - as opposed to being supportive and simply helpful - is when things have gone wrong over a period of time.

At least that's the sort of chairman I'd want to work for.

Well if Mandaric is as ruthless as some are led to believe, then he'd just fit Allen up on a gross misconduct charge like Bates has done to Blackwell at Leeds and Allen wouldn't see a penny unless he took him to court. I know who would win that one, given who's got the most money.

[James.]

It took me a worrying amount of time to realise that this article didn't involve Milan and Allen going punting together down the local canal.

[Zingari]

It took me a worrying amount of time to realise that this article didn't involve Milan and Allen going punting together down the local canal.

thats what i thought ; milan sticking his oar in and rocking the boat

[Thracian]

I'd be interested to hear where you've got this information from, or is it your interpretation? I've only known one manager ever speak badly of Milan Mandaric and that was Harry Redknapp who's now got nothing but praise for him after their reconciliation.

I think Mandaric's reputation as a ruthless, no nonsence man who meddles in absolutely everything is wide of the mark. Ok, so he's a hands on chairman, who doesn't take much bollocks, but i'm yet to see him be outrageously ruthless and Allen has said himself that he enjoys discussing transfers, teams affairs, etc with Mandaric.

You are painting a picture that only lives in the fantasy of the media and the few fans who believe that. Anyhow I can't think of too many other businesses that have owners and chairman that aren't supposed to get involved with their staff below them regarding how the business is ran from top to bottom.

MA didn't refer to "discussing" he referred to "rowing". And EVERY boss I ever worked for let me get on with my job to the point that you were only generally aware of their presence.

The relationship between MM and MA - which I doubt will ever be "normal" because both are such distinctive individuals - is vital to the future of Leicester City because if it doesn't work I don't think MM will find it any easier to make another relationship work.

But I'll be amazed (though delighted) if MA and MM manage six months together, especially if there are even relatively modest runs of bad results or if there are any signs of this season being less than successful - ie failing to achieve a top six finish.

I always thought that target was unlikely, not because of MA or MM but because of the situation with other clubs and other people. That view has only been confirmed by subsequent events.

It will be even harder if MM and MA work as two parts of the same team instead of in unison.

[James.]

MA didn't refer to "discussing" he referred to "rowing". And EVERY boss I ever worked for let me get on with my job to the point that you were only generally aware of their presence.

The relationship between MM and MA - which I doubt will ever be "normal" because both are such distinctive individuals - is vital to the future of Leicester City because if it doesn't work I don't think MM will find it any easier to make another relationship work.

But I'll be amazed (though delighted) if MA and MM manage six months together, especially if there are even relatively modest runs of bad results or if there are any signs of this season being less than successful - ie failing to achieve a top six finish.

I always thought that target was unlikely, not because of MA or MM but because of the situation with other clubs and other people. That view has only been confirmed by subsequent events.

It will be even harder if MM and MA work as two parts of the same team instead of in unison.

This is all speculation and interpretation. And one that would not look out of place in a tabloid.

Ric is right, and his point about managers not having a bad word to say against Mandaric is a poignant one.

EDIT: poignant wasn't quite the right word was it? Maybe "salient" would have been better!

[Thracian]

This is all speculation and interpretation. And one that would not look out of place in a tabloid.

Ric is right, and his point about managers not having a bad word to say against Mandaric is a poignant one.

EDIT: poignant wasn't quite the right word was it? Maybe "salient" would have been better!

What manager given a nice healthy condition pay-off is going to have a go at his former chairman?

The friction generated between MA & MM is clearly referred to in the article. They may have kissed and made up 100 times but put them together and its like exposing phospherous to the admosphere.

MA says himself "if anyone expected me to to a nodding dog....

And there's only one "anyone" and that's Mandaric.

MA couldn't have said it more plainly - and clearly in reaction to his chairman trying to impose his will...

"I won't be a yes man for anyone".

As I said from the very beginning, if ever two egos were destined to clash it is these.

They will either forge such respect for one another that they will fight tooth and nail but be the best of friends.

Or it will all very quickly end in tears.

Call that "tabloid" speculation if you wish.

But the message seems plain enough to me and I don't believe the article has been misquoting anybody.

[Zingari]

What manager given a nice healthy condition pay-off is going to have a go at his former chairman?

yes true . and the phrase about not burning bridges comes to mind

[Geo V]

We may have two characters at the top of our club who are more vocal about their apparent arguments, but only a fool would think that most managers within the game don't row and argue about stuff most months. They may not be as public as some managers are like say, John Gregory was about Doug Ellis but they`ll disagree and get on with it. Over the last decade as a retail manager, I think I had an argument a week with my area manager about something but we just always got on with it. He had his targets and many were either unrealistic or unattainable but I tried to hit them regardless. If my store was under-achieving I knew I was up for the chop. The worst job I had was when the area manager was the biggest pu**y on the planet and we all walked all over him. We all got lazy as we weren't being pushed and the company struggled. I guess what I am trying to get at is that having a bit of pressure to succeed and strong management above you will help our long term gain as long as Milan doesn't turn into that crazy Jesus Gil over in Spain who would sack managers from his team every other month

[Macdaddy]

We may have two characters at the top of our club who are more vocal about their apparent arguments, but only a fool would think that most managers within the game don't row and argue about stuff most months. They may not be as public as some managers are like say, John Gregory was about Doug Ellis but they`ll disagree and get on with it. Over the last decade as a retail manager, I think I had an argument a week with my area manager about something but we just always got on with it. He had his targets and many were either unrealistic or unattainable but I tried to hit them regardless. If my store was under-achieving I knew I was up for the chop. The worst job I had was when the area manager was the biggest pu**y on the planet and we all walked all over him. We all got lazy as we weren't being pushed and the company struggled. I guess what I am trying to get at is that having a bit of pressure to succeed and strong management above you will help our long term gain as long as Milan doesn't turn into that crazy Jesus Gil over in Spain who would sack managers from his team every other month

As a retail Area Manager I couldn't agree more (I am the anti-pussy).

You have to manage with a very high expectation and want results NOW!!

The Problem is MM is a frustrated football manager, he'll never leave MA alone to do the job.

It's alright pressurising him but their is a difference between management and interference.

[Nickfosse]

I'm all for rowing.

Two men in a boat.

Coxless pairs.

Get in.