What grinds my gears...

[Foxdiamond]

23 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

'Lead' as the past tense verb instead of 'led' is one that gets my goat. So many actual legitimate newspaper articles that have this mistake in as well.

I bet that went down like a Led Zeppelin 

[worthosoriginals]

5 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

I bet that went down like a Led Zeppelin 

As alc fox will tell you,  the correct spelling of said band is lead zeppelin 

[Foxdiamond]

3 hours ago, worthosoriginals said:

As alc fox will tell you,  the correct spelling of said band is lead zeppelin 

We shouldn't gossip otherwise we might be called gas bags 

[leicsmac]

Lack of foresight and empathy, and how it's bleeding into policy decision making more and more.

[bovril]

The UK population was quite obviously not 58 million in 2020. Even with a passing interest in this stuff I know that's not the case. Hasn't been in the 50s for ages. 

[bovril]

The England immigration rhetoric cycle:

 

Step 1) Immigration is very high.

Step 2) Multimillionaire when attempting to discuss said high figure says something laughably untrue and inflammatory.

Step 3) Gullible people repeat untrue and inflammatory stuff.

Step 4) Pro-immigration people have an easy win.

Step 5) The debate ends. 

 

Repeat every 3 months. 

[Corky]

It is barely even an apology. "I am sorry you didn't like what I said because I made good points" basically covers it.

[Stadt]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Lack of foresight and empathy, and how it's bleeding into policy decision making more and more.

That can be levelled at pro-immigration viewpoints too.

 

Was there no foresight or empathy with immigration policy with regards to the victims of bombings, sexual assault or whatever else? No

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Stadt said:

That can be levelled at pro-immigration viewpoints too.

 

Was there no foresight or empathy with immigration policy with regards to the victims of bombings, sexual assault or whatever else? No

It's a problem that stretches much further than immigration policy, but seeing as that's the talking point... 

 

I guess the answer to the above comes down to how much value one places on "victims" of any stripe, whether based on number or "tribe".

 

Because the consequences of a lack of empathy for those in need across the world, suffering and dying as we communicate here with the privilege of treating that as a purely theoretical matter, far far outweigh the consequences outlined above in terms of number. 

 

Of course, the classic counterargument is that "isn't our problem" and "we can't help everyone", but that automatically places a higher value on one human demographic over another. How comfortable a person is with that idea is clearly up to them. 

[StanSP]

51 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

You’re focusing in on the population comment which was only part of what he said. And it wasn’t even the part I’m thinking of 

But it significantly negates his point considering it's one he uses to supposedly back up the rest of what he's saying? 

So it's hard not to lend some focus to it. Can't just ignore his wild claims about it as if it was insignificant. 

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

The England immigration rhetoric cycle:

 

Step 1) Immigration is very high.

Step 2) Multimillionaire when attempting to discuss said high figure says something laughably untrue and inflammatory.

Step 3) Gullible people repeat untrue and inflammatory stuff.

Step 4) Pro-immigration people have an easy win.

Step 5) The debate ends. 

 

Repeat every 3 months. 

Very succinct summary tbf, but gullible dumb happy clappers = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. These happy clappers are genuinely getting behind a multi-billionaire tax dodger because 'he says it how he sees it mate.'  

[Samilktray]

Radcliffe is just another grifter in the Farage mould isn’t he

[Clogger_]

Dark times we live in

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Clogger_ said:

Dark times we live in

Fairly so.

 

But then take at least some comfort in the fact that tribalism and division based upon it is incompatible with the future. 

 

So, one way or another, these dark times will end, no matter how much some members of our species wish to pursue the idea of demographic superiority.

 

Either they lose, or everyone loses, including them. 

[bovril]

Absolutely love sitting around waiting for my visa to go and live with my partner and daughter in the EU while reading that Brits have no platform to complain about immigration. Love it.

[Sampson]

13 minutes ago, bovril said:

Absolutely love sitting around waiting for my visa to go and live with my partner and daughter in the EU while reading that Brits have no platform to complain about immigration. Love it.

I’ve met several Brits and Europeans whose families have been broken up or split in two, relationships and marriages that ended that otherwise wouldn’t have or careers have been put back a decade by Brexit by this point; and people still complaining British people aren’t allowed to “say it like it is” on immigration is so depressing.

Edited 12 February by Sampson

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I’ve met several Brits and Europeans whose families have been broken up or split in two, relationships and marriages that ended that otherwise wouldn’t have or careers have been put back a decade by Brexit by this point; and people still complaining British people aren’t allowed to “say it like it is” on immigration is so depressing.

It's perfectly doable but there's constantly that worry at the back of your mind that some paperwork will be filled in wrong or go missing, or a government will change a law. In the EU you knew you were bullet proof basically. Such a drag. 

 

Edit - to say it's doable is not to say what those people have told is you not true, a lot of people were caught off guard and I have also met people whose lives were changed significantly because of it. The fact it finally happened mid Covid was also a massive massive ball ache. 

Edited 12 February by bovril

[Sampson]

32 minutes ago, bovril said:

It's perfectly doable but there's constantly that worry at the back of your mind that some paperwork will be filled in wrong or go missing, or a government will change a law. In the EU you knew you were bullet proof basically. Such a drag. 

 

Edit - to say it's doable is not to say what those people have told is you not true, a lot of people were caught off guard and I have also met people whose lives were changed significantly because of it. The fact it finally happened mid Covid was also a massive massive ball ache. 

I think it’s also that a lot of people struggled to get work in the country they were living in (both eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu) in the period between the referendum and Covid because of the uncertainty of it and so just left. Remember an old French colleague who’d lived in the UK for over a decade but I spoke to years later and she said she decided to leave the uk in around 2018 or 2019 because she’d been getting to final interviews but even told a couple of times a lot of companies were hesitant to hire people on EU passports because they didn’t know what would happen and if they’d have to leave or not so she ended up moving back to France. 
 

Remember that it kept being pushed back and Johnson was peroging Parliament and threatening no deal Brexits and all sorts and the deal only ended up getting pushed through at the 11th hour once Covid had kicked it out the news so there was very little actual certainty for 3 or 4 years and Boris’ absurd theatrics over the whole thing screwed with a lot of people as well. It wasn’t a very certain smooth period for a lot of people

Edited 12 February by Sampson

[Jon the Hat]

7 hours ago, bovril said:

The UK population was quite obviously not 58 million in 2020. Even with a passing interest in this stuff I know that's not the case. Hasn't been in the 50s for ages. 

2000 I believe.  He is getting old, must need new glasses.  Still a hell of increase in 25 years.

[Jon the Hat]

4 hours ago, Samilktray said:

Radcliffe is just another grifter in the Farage mould isn’t he

Not a grifter no, more like the other Billionaires who think as they are very very clever in one area that means their opinions matter in others.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

Absolutely love sitting around waiting for my visa to go and live with my partner and daughter in the EU while reading that Brits have no platform to complain about immigration. Love it.

I can tell you I loved spending about 7k to have my Australian wife stay with me in the UK when EU citizens could bring their Australia spouse for about 50 quid.  There are always inequalities in migration systems.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

It's perfectly doable but there's constantly that worry at the back of your mind that some paperwork will be filled in wrong or go missing, or a government will change a law. In the EU you knew you were bullet proof basically. Such a drag. 

 

Edit - to say it's doable is not to say what those people have told is you not true, a lot of people were caught off guard and I have also met people whose lives were changed significantly because of it. The fact it finally happened mid Covid was also a massive massive ball ache. 

Indeed, and it drags on for years until you finally get citizenship.  Same over here in Aus really, they move the goalposts for political reasons and it ****s with those spent their time and money getting on a pathway to be able to stay.

[bovril]

13 hours ago, Sampson said:

I think it’s also that a lot of people struggled to get work in the country they were living in (both eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu) in the period between the referendum and Covid because of the uncertainty of it and so just left. Remember an old French colleague who’d lived in the UK for over a decade but I spoke to years later and she said she decided to leave the uk in around 2018 or 2019 because she’d been getting to final interviews but even told a couple of times a lot of companies were hesitant to hire people on EU passports because they didn’t know what would happen and if they’d have to leave or not so she ended up moving back to France. 
 

Remember that it kept being pushed back and Johnson was peroging Parliament and threatening no deal Brexits and all sorts and the deal only ended up getting pushed through at the 11th hour once Covid had kicked it out the news so there was very little actual certainty for 3 or 4 years and Boris’ absurd theatrics over the whole thing screwed with a lot of people as well. It wasn’t a very certain smooth period for a lot of people

It forces people into decisions and plans they wouldn't normally have to think about which increases stress and tensions in relationships. Now you see what's happening in America with legal migrants not leaving the house without carrying their full documents just in case and you worry that's coming to Europe, certainly here in Britain. We took a lot for granted. 

[Foxdiamond]

12 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

2000 I believe.  He is getting old, must need new glasses.  Still a hell of increase in 25 years.

The BBC  Question Time stated the population has increased by 12m since 1995. Surely that is still a big increase in 30 years. I wonder what it was from 1965 to 1995.

[Stuntman_Mike]